...is almost working.  Under the latest Wine development version, 1.1.26,  the program installs perfectly (asking to install Gecko during the install)  and runs without the screen lockup on moving the viewport or library.  However, the Library isn't working.  It didn't install Adobe Flash Player during installation, so I installed it into Wine manually, but it gives a 'Movie not Found" when right clicking on the Library palette, which is blank except for wmode="opaque" at the bottom..  

I haven't installed any content yet, (still over 90 minutes download to go) so I'm hoping that there is a piece missing that it needs from there, but there is a LSMGUI.html file, which appears to be the Library, so the issue is probably with Gecko or Flash Player rather than Poser itself.

It starts up showing  Andy the mannequin, and he poses and renders quite well.

I don't understand the technology, but I believe the library was developed (by bagginsbill) using Adobe Air. Maybe that requires an additional component.

You probably knew this anyway, but just in case you didn't.... :O)

Oh, here's a little snippet from another Poser 8 thread that might also be of interest....

Quote - Yup, that was it. I originally was installing the version of flash player included in the P8 extras and got the blank library.  But as soon as I installed the one from the adobe site the library started working.  So if anyone else comes across the same problem, thats the solution.

I did install Flash 10 by downloading it from Adobe. 

I also tried installing IE 6 prior to installing Poser 8.  IE 6 runs quite well, but Poser blows up after entering the serial number.

Does Air perhaps require Directx?

From my reading: Adobe Air uses "proven web technologies to deliver applications that run outside the browser". But I would think they need the Adobe Air runtime browser plug-in, and I don't know if this is available for Linux.

But you would do well to wait for better advice on this subject than I can offer. I'm only guessing, to be honest.

The problem is not Adobe Air. Air can be installed just fine either natively (Linux version) or under wine (Windows version) or even both can coexist. The library palette is a flash file and it isn't being loaded. By right-clicking the palette area I can read that Adobe Flash Player 10 is being used and I get a single infotext "Movie is not loaded".

Oh well. Back to P7 then unless someone either figures out why the palette movie is not playing or finds a tweak with which one could use P7 library palette if that still exists in the code base or is even at all possible.

Two Possibilities:

Looking at the HTML file that calls the library, the object class is for the Shockwave ActiveX control, so it should be changed to the 'Other browser" plugin.  Now to decipher which one that is...

The other possibility is that there is a lot of mixed cases in the path, so it could be a case issue, although the case of the LSMGUI.swf in the HTML file is correct.

Yeah I spent the last several hours examining  LSMGUI.html and the related javascript file, but to no avail so far. 

LSMGUI.swf is not an Air application. Air apps are swf files that run under a different Flash player (a standalone one for Air) and are allowed to do things that a normal Flash app are not allowed to do.

LSMGUI.swf is a standard browser-hosted Flash application. Poser uses a "Webkit" browser component to host the library GUI. It communicates with Poser via HTTP requests as if Poser was a web application.

I was not very creative with the name. LSMGUI stands for Library Services Manager Graphical User Interface.

Question:

Launch Poser.

Then, if you double click the LSMGUI.html file, it should launch the GUI in your ordinary browser. Does it?

One possible reason for the problem is that the LSMGUI.html and LSMGUI.swf need to be "trusted" Flash applications. How you identify an app as "trusted" depends on your OS. We specifically had to do different things for Window versus Mac. Perhaps there is something else for Linux.

Have a look at this web page:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html

The page will load an actual Flash Player Settings Manager app.

Try adding the folder that holds the LSMGUI files into its list (where it says "Always trust files in these locations") and see what happens.

BB,

I hope you had a nice dinner last night.

It took me a bit, as I installed the Windows version of Firefox, as the base Wine installation doesn't  have a browser, and when installing Poser 8 it installed basically a naked version of Gecko that lacks niceties like a GUI.

With both the Linux and Windows versions of Firefox running, LMSGUI.html does load the Library with Poser running, and I can add content to the scene, although the thumbnails don't appear in the Linux version of Firefox.  In the Windows version of Firefox/Flash, I added the LSMGUIbin-release  folder to trusted sites without any change.

So, the problem appears to be either with how  Wine interacts with the Gecko engine/Windows Flash plugin or how Poser calls Gecko (Wine includes a fake iexplore.exe), as Flash appears to be running-it just didn't load the .swf file.  As I said, I tried installing actual Internet Explorer 6 into Wine using a script, and while IE6  ran very well, Poser 8 would freeze up on loading.  However, the major difference in doing this is that it substitutes actual MS DLL s for some of the "fake" wine DLLs.  I should figure out how to install IE without the script and see how it works with the fake DLLs

I'm going to go watch the Red Sox for a bit...

Thanx,

Rod

My experience: Wine-installed Windows-version of FireFox and Flash Player 10 launches and runs LSMGUI.swf when the LSMGUI.html file is clicked and P8 is running. In addition, within the browser I can add Runtimes and load items which end up in Poser 8 just fine. It's possible to use Poser like this, but a bit awkward of course.

Attached is a screen capture of a working setup. I resized Poser main, hid the library palette and and placed a resized FireFox  on the right hand side.

chardepot.pp.fi/Kuvakaappaus.png

Thanks BB for stepping in to shed some light. 

Also, the library issue  aside, P8 runs in Linux identical to Windows (I installed and run it with WinXP on VirtualBox virtual machine). Considering this is "out-of-the-box" behaviour without any tweaking and such, it's a nice thing.

Hehe, nice work. Note: Drag and drop will not work in that arrangment. DnD must be inside a Poser window to work.

However, everything else does. This is how I ran Poser for many weeks. As I was building new functions and testing them, I would just leave Poser up and launch the GUI over and over in a browser window. It helped me go faster because I didn't have to restart Poser between tests. The GUI itself launches in a fraction of a second.

I'm sorry I can't offer any more help as to why the embedded browser in Poser isn't working. I don't really know browser tech very well.

I tried installing IE 7 before Poser, and while IE7 functioned reasonably well, Poser 8 wouldn't even start.

I've been playing around with it and it seems to be a bug in Wine, as I can't play local .swf files using Wine's browser (iexplore.exe), although I can play ones on remote machines.  

For example, www.kboffset.com/ROCKFLUX/YuleLog05.swf plays fine, but downloading the file to the Wine C: drive gives a blank screen when it is opened. I did add c:/ to the trusted folders in the Flash plugin without effect.

When I open the LMSGUI.html file in Wine's browser,  I get the same display as in Poser.

WandW, you can still use the same setup I did with the screenshot a few posts up, no?

It's perfectly usable and pretty much the only thing missing is the drag'n'drop feature. Otherwise it works just fine. Chucking away unnecessary stuff from FireFox makes it even more usable and when making the LSMGUI.html the default page, you only need to start FF after P8 and all is good (unless of course one uses the Wine-installed  Windows-version of FF for some other purposes as well, but I see little reason for doing so when one has the native Linux FF to use for browsing purposes).

Other  things I've noted:
-Object import now works WAY fast. With P7 importing objects was a crash-prone business, but now I'm able to import all sorts obj models very fast and with no glitches so far.
-Poser can now be run with a more varied number of Wine graphics options (like I can now make Poser window obey Gnome window manager, do not need to emulate virtual desktop anymore and such) ... allowing the actual use of Poser much more appeal and ease-of-use
-boot-up time is incredible ... 3 seconds (although from an SSD disk) would be pretty good for even native programs let alone for a program that needs Wine to run beforehand
-running Python scripts appear to be significantly faster, which for me is a big bonus

"-Object import now works WAY fast. With P7 importing objects was a crash-prone business, but now I'm able to import all sorts obj models very fast and with no glitches so far."

can you import a simple cylinder (no split vertices) and see if you can see a black smudge on it?

12rounds,

Yes, Firefox works, but there is a bug in Wine that needs to be addressed.  Otherwise Poser 8 runs perfectly

The bug report is here: bug 19608

Coincidently there is a new version of Gecko (1.0) imminent with the next development version of Wine, so perhaps it has already been fixed.

Cheers,
Rod

That looks like external library interfaces could also use this to load content into Poser... I guess there's no documentation for that comming with Poser? ;-)

Poser 8 running under Wine 1.1.27 with Wine-Gecko 1.0 on the KDE 4.3 desktop:

Library looks nice; unfortunately it doesn't work.  I'll tell you how I got it there, tho'...

To get aroung the Gecko local SWF file bug I used the Windows version of Mongoose 2.8 webserver to host the LMSGUI bin-release folder (I left the port at the default 8080).  I then edited the LMSGUI.html file to change all references of 'LMSGUI.swf' to 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/LSMGUI.swf', changed all of the allowScriptAccess variables to "always"(not sure if necessary, but it seemed prudent), and added 'FlashVars="apiUrl=http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py"' to the final embed section.

The modified file works great in Firefox, but within Poser (and iexplore.exe) it opens the Library, but the content icons and names are not there and the top tabs don't work, so I've discovered another bug in Wine.

Here's my Wine Applications Database Report on Poser 8.0.

I'm going to kick Internet Explorer around a bit more and see if I can get it to play nice with Poser...

Quote - Poser 8 running under Wine 1.1.27 with Wine-Gecko 1.0 on the KDE 4.3 desktop:

Library looks nice; unfortunately it doesn't work.  I'll tell you how I got it there, tho'...

To get aroung the Gecko local SWF file bug I used the Windows version of Mongoose 2.8 webserver to host the LMSGUI bin-release folder (I left the port at the default 8080).  I then edited the LMSGUI.html file to change all references of 'LMSGUI.swf' to 'http://127.0.0.1:8080/LSMGUI.swf', changed all of the allowScriptAccess variables to "always"(not sure if necessary, but it seemed prudent), and added 'FlashVars="apiUrl=http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py"' to the final embed section.

The modified file works great in Firefox, but within Poser (and iexplore.exe) it opens the Library, but the content icons and names are not there and the top tabs don't work, so I've discovered another bug in Wine.

Here's my Wine Applications Database Report on Poser 8.0.

I'm going to kick Internet Explorer around a bit more and see if I can get it to play nice with Poser...

Of course the images are lost - the GUI is accessing them as local files. It is only allowed to do that if it is in the local-trusted sandbox. When you placed it behind a web server, even a local one, it is no longer considered a "local" application, and is not allowed to read files. Therefore, any images that were being read directly from disk are unreadable to the app.

Flash is really annoying.

Quote - Flash is really annoying.

Maybe this it not exactly the right thread for this, but I can't help but wonder why Flash was used at all.

I'm not allowed to say, but it has to do with the fact that this Content GUI is not just for Poser. If it was only for Poser, it would have been written in C++, same as the rest of the GUI.

Quote - I'm not allowed to say, but it has to do with the fact that this Content GUI is not just for Poser. If it was only for Poser, it would have been written in C++, same as the rest of the GUI.

That was my suspicion. Well, SM better had a damn good reason for doing it this way.

Quote - ... this Content GUI is not just for Poser.

I could see it being reused for other SM apps that have content collections like Anime Studio, and Manga Studio.

I like it the way it is, as I've asked for a interface for loading Poser content without relying on Python and it works fine this way ;-)