OK, I am starting this because as I read through the forum, I keep seeing terms that to me are all new (*cause I am used to poser terms) and I can see that if I don't understand what is being said, I can't follow the thread!

Example.... Bake?   I won't to list every term I don't know, but I hope that the experts will volunteer those terms to create a Noob Vue Glossary! So if I or any other person has a question, we know how to word it! If I am waaay off, please direct me (*and I am sure others) to a place where I/we can find the correct verbage for Vue functions!

ThanX!

Ariana  

IMO, the best place to find a good explanation of all Vue related terms is... the Vue manual.
It was the first thing I read when I purchased Vue, before seeing tutorials or anything else.

Will I get a manual with my V7Pro order? It should be here tomorrow or thursday... I always opt for the Box!!!

:)

Ariana

Baking has several meanings:
You can bake a cake: easy, only done in the real world. many recipies, so I won't go any further with this one.
You can bake illumination: This is the process of computing indirect lighting for an object, and add this information into a texture, mapped  over the objects' original materials. This is useful for animation, and for objects that are not animated (props for example), this is done ocne and for all, so the indirect lighting doesn't need to be computed for every frame. Can save weeks of rendering time.
You can bake a primitive or a metablob or a terrain, or a boolean obejct  to a polygonal object. This process transforms said obejcts that are originally defined by mathematical functions into much more CPU friendly polygons. The number of polygons is defined by the user, the more poly, the more complex the object is, and the m:ore it will look like the original object.
Baking isn't supported in all Vue versions, I think complete, Infinite and xStream only.

Yes, you'll get a manual. I don't know if it'll be paper or PDF (which is easier to find a term you don't know) because I never opt for a box. :-)
Buying a box costs the lifes of trees, it takes longer to arrive and it could get lost, just to mention a few of the disadvantages. ;-)

First I shame faced understand about the box, but have had numerous errors on virtual orders (*most serious was ArtRage, that just refused to accept that I owned it! and Hexagon, which worked installed from the disc, but refused to function from a download! It could have been a daz glitch as well )....

I do hope it is paper because bouncing to pdf while working is often difficult.

Thank you Bruno! I am now more confused (*but that will end on the 1st or 1,000th render!) ;)

But I am seeing the meanings. I did find the tutorials and the first thing I started to read was the lighting. I can see life is going to change for me quickly and a dedicated puter is in my future! :P

:D

Ariana

Quote - "I do hope it is paper because bouncing to pdf while working is often difficult."

Once it's opened, all it takes is to press Alt+Tab. :-)

Searching for all instances of, let's say, the word "bake" in a paper manual can be very time consuming, even using the index, but finding it in a PDF is as easy as pressing Ctrl+F and write the word... :-)

Well I love a good book, but inbuilt PDF  is easier because you hit F! in vue and ip pops help, type in search string, and bingo! answer :)

ok useful termms

SSS, TRANSLUCENCY
all the same thing, SSS - sub surface scattering
many real world materials let light bounce aorund inside them to an extent, like flesh, milk etc, they are not truly transparent, not totally opaque.
it's why you a person's ear is so lit up when a light is behind them, the light boucnes aorund form back to front
this means people's skins aren't as dark as they should be, almost slightly  luminous

FE
Function Edtior, usually in the material editor. can also be for terrains.

MAPPING
how materials are mapped onto a 3D object

REFRACTION
transparent objects, even air, bend light slightly. so each has a refraction index,,diamond has such a huge refraction that makes i tlook so interesting
water - 1.3
glass 1.5
sapphire 1.7
diamond 2.8

:)

Ahh! Now I have to show my pdf ignorance! I did not know that! If that is so it sounds very user friendly! Cause I thought that you had to open a pdf in a 3d program differently! I stand corrected!

"Save a tree, kill a milk carton"!

Thank you for those references! I can see that lighting and surfaces (*cause I do a lot of human/creature renders) will have to become my friend very quickly!

More please....

~A~

Attached Link: http://www.geekatplay.com

Thank you Rutra! I will be sure to go start reading!!!

Ariana

Hi FFD, you will not get a paper manual with your order.  What you will get is one case (like the one you get when renting a movie).  The case consists of two CDs, one is the application disc and the other contains example scenery, exterior and interior stuff (castles, houses, fences, animals, aircraft, space craft etc) that you can place in your Vue scene.

The application disc comes with an electronic manual, that when you click on it comes up on your screen in Adobe Reader (that reader comes with all windows  from win 95 through Vista.  That is where .pdf comes in.  Its the Adobe Reader format extension (.vob, .pz3, etc). 

Here is what you should do, place the Application disc in your drive and select open files >Documentation>En and copy the  Adobe Acrobat Document to where you have your  Vue 7 (Program files>e-on software-you should now have the reader and a folder containing Vue 7 folder.  I simply click and drag the icon to my desktop where it sits quitely beside my Vue 7 icon.  Then when I need it, I just click on it.  Jan

Oh, yeah , I prefer a nice neat paper manual that I can put on my knees and read, but I think those times are long gone (unless you want to pay extra for one).  Jan

ThanX Jan! It is amazing that I have been doing poser for some 5 odd years, but every day I learn something very basic and therefore to me, new about working on line!

I greatly appreciate everyones patience with me and my questions (*often OT!) ; )

So as to install I use 2 internals and 4 externals (*I do have a lot of stuff!). I noticed when I did the download of VuePioneer, it stuck a lot of files over into my documents without giving and option to place them on my storage drive (*I assume 'my docs' is not where the programs resource items have to be), can I select where I want to place my .vobs and such (*I have oodles of freebies) and how I direct my location prefs like in photoshop, poser or other programs?   

ThanX! (*BTW, I guess I should have named this thread Ariana needs info!) lol!

~A~

lol! Yeah it's hard to curl up with a good pdf!  ; )

Hugs

Ariana

Sure, just use the save as command, it will ask you where you want to put them.  I would suggestion making a Vue file (something like My Vue 7 .vob files) on say one of your external hard drives.   Jan

I have to read the manual???????????
Get outa here!

hey Bryster, you and I both know we go for the dirty "sink or swim" method of training... But after years of learning poser on my own and not reading tuts or forums. I now think I want to play nice with Vue... (*it's arrives today!!!)

Besides, it can't hurt (*too much). Well time will tell...  ; )

~A~

FFD, One thing that you can do---load the samples and do some deconstructing (see what they did to get the scene eg tilting the terrain, adding lights and where etc)---Jan

Probably preaching to the choir (based on looking at your fantastic products). 

Jan... *blush... I am by far not as good as lots here! But thank you... :)

Yes I am sitting here waiting for the UPS guy to ring the door! :P waiting... waiting... waiting...

:D

Ariana

Hi Ariana, it was the same for me, I was tracking mine on a daily no twice daily basis. 

If you are loading it on a computer that is connected to the web.  You shouldn't have any problems--just remember that there are TWO "serial numbers.  The one that comes with your CD (on the accopanying card), you will need it to upload the software to your hard drive.  The other one is contained in the software's start up page's http address and should run automatically.  That long number goes after the INST (it is longer than the space shown).  After that you get an ACT number that you place below your name.   After that, you are ready to solo.

Just remember that the update is in Beta mode--you may want to hold off awhile on that.

If you get a warning that your video card needs updating or not on their list, it still may be.  Just run one of their complex scenes, you will find out soon enough.  Got that warning on mine, but mine works just fine so far;  I have an ATI Radeon HD 3650 GL (Yeah, its a Gaming card with a tiny Co processor section but it works),  Jan 

My vid card is even less! I have a ati radeon 1300pro, came with the system, I can't upgrade it because my power supply is only 305 watt... but I run poser 7 just fine and do high dpi large renders in no time flat. I think my memory (*4G's but on this system it is more then needed) and cpu (*pentium core2 duo) make up for the crappy card somehow.

~A~

Yep, that it does--in the good old days, what we needed were co processor video cards (the $3000 type) to do intense graphics work.  Now with duos and Quads, we should be all right with the  come- with- gaming- video cards.

As for the Gigs, four should really do the trick.  After all the recommended minimum is 500Megs.

Tell us when your jewel box comes---Jan

Well she arrived and i am in the middle of a 3700X2800 render w raytracing in poser!  (: /)

I notice on the cd pak that render up and 3d import are not listed? Was it the same on yours?

I should be through with this render in about an hour or so... as soon as I get ready to start installing I'll post!

WooHoo!!!

Ariana

Hi  Ariana, Yep they be there.  One of the things that Render up does is gets rid of the Pioneer logo and my renderings don't have it and rendering uses all my cpu's

As for 3d Imports, it loads Poser 4-7 .pz3, .pzz, .obj, .dem, .shd, .raw, .dae, .3ds, .cob, .dxf, .obj files.

Plus the .pdf manual states that they are included for Vue 7 Pro Studio.  Jan

You'll also find tutorials on my site, links to a few important ones are in my signature :)

Thanks for this thread I just recently moved from Byrce and I am learning Vue and that was some excellent resources! Thanks to everyone!

OK render is over but I need to fuel up with a late lunch! Something tell me I am going to be up all nite long! Time to break out the heavy metal and get inspired!

Thank you SilverBlade! I will be looking at those shortly too!!!

Gads I feel like I am going to BURST! LOL!

Hugs

Ariana

Hello Vile! Love the name! And welcome to the wonderful (*at least til it crashes! :P Knock on wood that it doesn't! ) world of Vue!

OK, just a heads up...

I am going to do a clean re-install of my OS, I rec'd an error installing Vue. I'll be back on line in about 6 hours. I plan to install Vue first and poser etc after.

Wish me luck!

Ariana

Uh luck!

OK I have a brand new clean install. Since I know my poser inside and out, I figure to install Vue first... I am starting now!!! Wish me luck!

Hugs

Ariana

Good luck, Ariana :)
Vue is great, so I hope it'll work ...

Cheers,

Thomas / A-Spot

All installed and I am out of here! Off to bed...

2:13am in the morning!

Hugs

Ariana

After noon Ariana,  first congrats on finally uploading it (it should be showing the Vue 7 Pro Studio splash page not the Vue 7 Pioneer one). 

I didn't see it but there is an update for Vue 7 Pro Studio, its Build 39389.  If you click on update located under the File menu, it should download for you.  If it doesn't you will have to go to the site and manually do it.  Click on the Beta download, there you will see all the past updates, download the one that Pro 7 told you Build 39389.  I thought that perhaps the higher numbers needed to be also so I requested via Vue 7 another update, but Vue said I was up to date with that build.

After you download the .exe file-run it in the adminstrator mode, if you don't you might get errors like "not enough space on target drive or installation file is correct please re install etc" 

Yep, its quite a program, got neat meta clouds that you can change etc and place where you want them--ground level on up.  Eco system is great too.  So is the rest of the stuff. 

Jan 

Yep I want to work ion it but I have a product I am finishing that has hi-res images for the backgrounds and it is taking forever!!! I am trying to decide if i want Chrome or FF as my browser... I use IE6, and it is time to upgrade, and darned if I know which will be best. I hear Chrome steals your art it is in thier EULA. So I am kicking that around as well... hey if you site mail me I can send an e-mail to ya! 

Hugs

Ariana

Well when it comes to render speeds, please note my tutorial on render settings! :)
http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/tutorials/htm/48.html

FutureFantasyDesign,

Good look with your new Vue program! Even if you are a beginner in Vue I know that you are not a beginner overall..

What a beginner of a new program needs is not theory and pontificating but practice examples. I know that you know this but never to ask an expert. Because he won't give you a useful answer (like telling you what is most common and most useful) but will give you an answer so everybody understands how advanced he is.

Many materials and objects in Vue are not real 3D geometry, they are created in different ways by math (procedural). Bake means that you let Vue make real 3d geometry of the object.

I have read hundreds of manuals and PDF files in my days. IMO the Vue PDF manual is rather useless for a beginner. (no examples) Also Vue has more bugs and memory leaks than any other commercial product known to me. So prepare for frustration! In spite of all it is a wonderful program for anyone who loves nature.

Quote - "IMO the Vue PDF manual is rather useless for a beginner. (no examples)"

I was a beginner back in 2006/2007. I read the Vue manual and it was very useful. I still resort to the manual many, many times nowadays (I press F1 many times).

IMO, reading and understanding the manual (any manual) is the foundation upon which knowledge and experience are built. If you don't read the manual, there will be many details that are crutial for progressing in the use of Vue (or any other tool) that you will know only too late (or never). The interesting part is that you'll never know what you're missing until someone, some day, tells you something and you go "duh!! is that possible?? I wasted so much time doing it in another way!"

Is it possible to use Vue and be good at it without reading the manual? Sure. It's also possible to drive a car without any driving lesson. It'll just take longer and will be more frustrating (and wreck a car or two in the process).

Quote - "Also Vue has more bugs and memory leaks than any other commercial product known to me. So prepare for frustration!"

Like abundantly expressed in other threads, the amount of perceived bugs in Vue varies tremendously from user to user. I, for one, have very few problems and for sure no frustration at all. 

Rutra,

With all due respect I beg to disagree. What you say would be true a few years ago.

Today written material is insufficient for two reasons. For the first it isn't detailed enough, and for the second you are no doubt familiar with the chinese proverb "One picture is worth a thousands words" which of course are even more true for film and video.

I am referring to all the excellent free and commercial training Videos out there. Personally I prefer AsileFX, not only "Getting started with Vue" and "whatsNew In Vue 7" but for instance,

Advanced Material Creation
Advanced Terrain Creation
Vue Tutorial Xfrog Plants

and so on. Excellent way to learn. I never go back!

Vintorix, I guess that we have to agree to disagree. :-)

IMO, those tutorials you mention are an excellent addition after one reads the manual. Maybe I'm old fashioned but that's how I see it.
This is especially true regarding the OP (Vue terminology). I think it's far more efficient to understand the terms by reading them in a manual, instead of viewing I don't know how many videos until finally that particular term pops up.

Rutra,

I didn't know there was a special Vue termology! Baking at the very least, is not specefic to Vue but a term common in all 3D world. But, I begin to see a certain logic in your discourse!

But only because you had to go through pain and suffering doesn't mean that others also have to! Especially beautiful girls! :)

Haha! You're probably right!

But, anyway, believe it or not, I like to read manuals. I really do. I even read manuals of mobile phones, TV sets, DVD recorders, digital cameras, etc. I read manuals of everything I buy. Anyway, lots of things I wouldn't discover any other way because, although many features are immediately visible, many others are not and only by reading the manual do I discover that certain things are possible. :-)

Well it takes all kinds to make a world. I for instance, almost never read the manual. Instead with a new program I ask myself the question, "Is this and that possible?". Then I turn heaven and earth upside down trying to find that out, including searching the internet. Sometimes I succeed or I don't. But the thing is even if I don't solve what I set out to do, in the process I have learned a ton of other useful information.

The problem with manuals is that only about 1/10 of what you need to know is in the manual. Take the Vue manual for instance. How much is there about exporting the UVmap and material? What use is the function editor if you not are allowed to see the actual formulas and know exactly what they do to the material?  They are actually withholding information! (probably because they are afraid of competition).

I always try to write tutorials from the view point of someone who doens't know very much, because it's too easy to forget that things such as acronyms may not be udnerstood by someone else. Plus I'm rather good at forgetting things or screwing up myself :D
.Also, my accent is very hard for some people to understand and even speaking a lot can tire me out due to my poor health.

I also always try to be humorous in tutorials because I'm dealing with fellow Humans, not robots. People have feelings...

silverblade33,

Anyone that take the time and effort to write tutorials and explain in depth what the vendor didn't care to do is a hero. Without all this people the vendors would be out of business..

Quote - The problem with manuals is that only about 1/10 of what you need to know is in the manual. Take the Vue manual for instance. How much is there about exporting the UVmap and material?

I searched the manual(v7complete) and found 25 references to uv coordinates and mapping, including importing/exporting.

Quote -
What use is the function editor if you not are allowed to see the actual formulas and know exactly what they do to the material?  They are actually withholding information! (probably because they are afraid of competition.

What formulas are you missing? most function/operations they use are quite elementary - add, subtract, sin, cos etc. Perhaps I can help. (Or wikipedia).
For the fractal nodes there are many pictures of the various fractal nodes and how they are affected by changing the parameters.
To see what the FE does - did you try the 'function node preview' & 'function output observer'?
Quite helpful. (pages 313, 326 and 314,327 respectively in my manual)

Occasionally I cant find some detail in the manual, but mostly it is quite thorough.

ArtPearl,

If you really want to discuss this give me an off-rendo email adress. We don't want to disturb the peace! :)

???
If whatever you plan to discuss is 'peace disturbing', I certainly dont want it in my private mail box:)
You raised your concerns in a public thread, I presume because you thought it is of general interest.  I dont see why you cant continue discussing it here so those that read our  posts know how it developed/resolved.
Otherwise - there is site mail, you can use that if you like, I guess.

Quote - "I for instance, almost never read the manual."

I took a quick look at some Vue images in your gallery and I did spot a couple of details where reading the manual would have helped... ;-)

Quote - "Instead with a new program I ask myself the question, "Is this and that possible?". Then I turn heaven and earth upside down trying to find that out, including searching the internet. Sometimes I succeed or I don't. But the thing is even if I don't solve what I set out to do, in the process I have learned a ton of other useful information."

I don't understand why you refuse to just press F1 and do a quick search in a PDF manual and instead you opt to spend a lot of time more to (hopefully) get that information.
If you want to learn "a ton of useful information", as you say, you can always do it, whenever you want. That may have nothing to do with finding an answer to a specific question. Your method seems extremely inneficient to me, but to each his own.
I also search the net, of course... if I couldn't find the answer by myself with an experiment or searching the manual.

Quote - "The problem with manuals is that only about 1/10 of what you need to know is in the manual."

I don't know about that percentage but I could say the same about any tutorial. If you want to know all you need to know, you have to watch all the tutorials out there... and it still probably won't be enough.
Anyway, I never advocated reading the manual as a replacement to watching tutorials. What I wrote was: "IMO, those tutorials you mention are an excellent addition after one reads the manual."

In other words, the manual lays the foundations which are necessary to take full advantage of the tutorials.

Quote - "What use is the function editor if you not are allowed to see the actual formulas and know exactly what they do to the material? "

Huh?! I don't need to see a formula to see what moving a slider does to my material. But anyway what does that have to do with tutorials? Did you see in a tutorial how to see the formula behind the function?
Anyway, like Artpearl said, there's information about those things in the FE and in the manual and lots of it is standard mathematical knowledge.

Rutra,

First I have to say that it is a pleasure to discuss with someone who can discuss as grown people! We "agree to disagreee". Of course I look in the manual now and then I was exaggerating. But I prefer to read the manual AFTER the (advanced) tutorials, to see if perhaps something has slipped through my fingers. As for that only 1/10 of what you want to know is in the documentation - it is very late here in Stockholm now, but let me tomorrow with one example demonstrate, what I want to know and what the manual says, then I will prove my point. Also remember that I work a little different from most of the Vue users I use a lot of programs.

Until then, good night