dph

Could you not convert the hair to a prop and then use the hair room to grow some extra hair on it?

I'm no expert but I'd assume it would take a lot of work to get the bun styled.   Have a look at Adorana's dynamic hair especially the Aurora hair as it sweeps in the back.   Her Adema hair 2 curls up at the bottom so maybe there's a way to make a tighter curl like that sort of like a bun.  

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/index.php?user_id=338522

In any case, be prepared for some hair-pulling of your own as you try to style it.  I gave up and just use Adorana's since I haven't seen anything better for Poser :)

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=kaiZ

Kaiz has some dynamic hair

Very nice hair there Accadia, and thank your for pointing it out.

However, as per my conumdrum, none of them even remotely resemble the governess hair in either 1997 movie Firelight (starring Sophie Marceau), or the 2006 BBC rendition of Jane Eyre (starring ruth Wilson), which is what I need for my project.  both ladies had a hair style that parted in the middle of the haed, loosely pulled back ove the ears, so that it coveed them, and was then wrapped into a bun at the back. 

Ruth Wilson's also seemed to  have a couple of small braids on each side that were also pulled back so that their ends curled into the bun at the back.  A very simple, but elegant type of hair style.

I did however buy the Collin for M4 hair for my Male Figure, and for that I thank you!

Dear Kalypso, I thank you too for your suggestions, and have dowloade three differnt types of hair of hers, which may help: The AuroraHair for V3, the IzettaHair for V3, and the AdemaHair2 for V3.

dph

The bun was not that difficult to do after all, once I figured out how to do it.

The difficult part was getting the hair to cover the ears. I think I know a bit more about the styling tool in the hair room now.

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That is so Bloody lovely, Nanette, and you are truly an Artistic Genius!  Both my life and Poser have been enriched by your presence!

David P. Hoadley

Oh wow Nanette, this is great!  I hope you'll be doing more dynamic hair.  May I ask which Poser version you're using?

Thank you for the effusive praise, David. With your standards getting higher by the day, I was afraid I couldn't keep up.

Kalypso, this hair is going into my freestuff. I'll try to upload it today and pending approval, it should be available by the weekend. I use Poser pro 2010, and that image was rendered with Bagginsbill's VSS. I made two versions of the hair, the one shown and another with lower density hair.

Here is the process for making a bun in the hair room:

Build the bun on a Poser primitive ball, which you scale down on the y-axis to about 50%.  Do not rotate the ball (this is important). Make the ball transparent. Make a hair group on the top half of the ball. Set clumpiness to zero, and hair density quite high (at least 12000, preferably 20000). Grow the hair. Pull all the hair straight down until it just covers the ball (but doesn't go right through it). It is easiest to work through the front camera at this point.  Adjust the hair length so it  extends just a little below the ball. With the styling tool, select all the hair. If you want, you can give the hair a slight twist at this point. Still with all the hair selected and the styling tool, and falloff set to somewhere between the middle and the tip, scale the hair down to gather the ends together below the ball. Now you can scale the ball to the right size, position it on your hairstyle, and parent the ball to the skullcap so you can save it with the rest of your hairstyle.

Here's our Heroine, Esther Abarbanel with the less dense hair.

dph

dph

That's most generous of you Nanette!  And thank you for the detailed instructions which I'll try to put to good use :)

David, I can't believe how much you've got her looking like Sophie, great work!

With regard to the hair room handling Victorian styles, it was difficult to get a clean centre parting in the hair without it looking like a bald stripe.  I tried to blend the hair  across the parting to avoid the bald look, but David insists the parting must be clearly visible. In the end I had to create two special groups along the parting with a much higher hair density than the rest of the hair.

Yay! Someone figured out how to make a bun in the Hair Room! I've tried several times to do dynamic hair, and been foiled by the styling every time. Maybe I will try it again now...

The real challenge is going to be making a braid in the hair room!

Hey, I like bald women!!!!

Good jobm, Nanette, good job indeed!  Yousaid somdthing to me about a Gibson Girl, so lets see that too!

dph

I don't think that's possible, I don't believe Poser's dynamic hair can collide with itself.  You could weave the splines into a braid but when you run the sim they'll all pass through each other and it'll fall apart.  Even if you could make it collide with itself it'd be pretty immensely slow, I've tried to do something like that with Cinema 4D's Hair dynamics.

Poser renders textured objects well. So, just a suggestion.

For the scalp, there isn't much reason why the scull cap cannot be textured. One can use a transmap to make the edges and the part down the middle look natural. Seeing that most of the cap will be covered by dynamic hair, the areas that might show at the edges near the forehead and at the part down the middle should not greatly slow down the render time with Raytracing.

I supose that this would make the hair a hybrid.

LMK

Probably should do that to obscure the hair line as well, to hide that unfortunate "doll head" effect that Poser's dynamic hair leaves you with.  It's a great hairstyle, just a bad limit in Poser there.

Yes, the doll head look is what I was trying to fight.

Personally I didn't think there was a problem with the strand separation on my transmapped version of the single bun hairstyle, at least not when I render it. However, Mr Hoadley is pursuing something that I am not capable of doing with transmapped hair, and he insists on using displacement on the hair to achieve this, which to my eye, makes the hair look like engraved plastic. Hence my attempts in the hair room, where the strands are now almost too separate! 

Yeah that's another big limitation in Poser's dynamic hair, it doesn't do clumping.

edit: woops, yes it does, look into the "clumpiness" setting.

Yes, the strands around the edge have a high clump setting. On the hair that is smoothed over the head though, the clump setting is not so helpful because you then need enormous hair density to prevent the scalp showing through. I am working on the materials now, trying to get away from the metallic look that the hair shader gives.

Occurs to me that another way to combat the "doll head" hairline is just to model a tight-fitting skullcap that has jagged geometry along the edges, or really just a fringe I suppose depending on how you styled it.  I'd do the whole skullcap and grow the hair from that.

And so, NOW we have something that didn't even EXIST but five days ago!!!  Victorian style hair for the Poser Ladies, and especially for Posette!!!

Nanette, YOU are G-d's gift to the Poserverse!  Yor are a true genius!  You are the pathfinder, the trailblazer, the pointman to new and exciting possibilities!  DO keep the GOODSTUFF coming!

dph