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Subject: Has Function Editor changed in Vue 9?


Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 3:28 PM · edited Wed, 29 January 2025 at 6:11 AM

I decided I was finally going to (try to) learn the Function Editor, but when I follow the GaP Function Editor tutorials using Vue 9 Infinite (Build 9005248), I find strange differences.  Vladimir is using version 7 but even when I compare with Vue 8.5, I find that Vue 9 behaves differently.

I realize there are vast differences between Vue 7 and Vue 9 and even Vue 8.5 and 9, but I thought the Function Editor wouldn't have changed all that much. For example, I started with a simple sphere, loaded the Rainbow color map, added a Noise Bump node in the FE, and this is what I end up with in Vue 9 Inf. :

Vue 9 Function Editor

 

As opposed to this in Vue 8.5 Infinite (Build 52356):

 

Vue 8.5 Function Editor

 

As you can see, the Noise node added in Vue 9 has no effect on the sphere's materialat all.  Does this sound correct? 


Rich_Potter ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 3:45 PM · edited Sat, 20 November 2010 at 3:46 PM

its related to scale....

they use 1:1 now where as in the past they used 1:something else...

theres a thread somewhere ill have a look for it..

edit - http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2815231

Rich

http://blog.richard-potter.co.uk


bruno021 ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 3:52 PM

Change the function preview scale, by default, it's 10m, if you change it to lower values, it should be the same as in Vue7, 8... What's important is: does the object look the same in all Vue versions?



Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 4:32 PM

OK, I changed the size to 1 m in the Function Editor View option but it did not seem to make any difference.  I even closed Vue 9 and opened the sphere up again. 

 

And no, they do not look the same.  Here's what the Vue 9 sphere looks like in Final render:

 

Vue 9

 

As you can see, no bumps whatsoever.  Here's the Vue 8.5 sphere:

 

Vue 8.5


bruno021 ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 5:32 PM

Hmm, What if you change material size to 0.1? Seems to work here.



Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 6:09 PM · edited Sat, 20 November 2010 at 6:24 PM

OK, Bruno.  I think I'm on the right track.  I misunderstood and thought I should change the Object Size in the Preview Options in the Function Editor.  That didn't seem to do anything.

Instead, I changed the Scale as well as the Bump scale in the Advanced Material Editor from the default of 1.0 to 0.1.  This seems a very elaborate way to go about creating an acceptable bump map.  I also had to change the Function scale in the Color & Alpha tab of the AME:

Color Scale

and here is where I changed the Bump Scale:

Bump Scale

However, the Noise node in the Function Editor still doesn't show any of the spots we are used to in prior versions - here's what it still looks like in the Function Editor:

Bum Noise node


Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sat, 20 November 2010 at 6:22 PM · edited Sat, 20 November 2010 at 6:24 PM

Here's what my sphere looks like with the scale numbers adjusted to 0.1

With Bumps


bruno021 ( ) posted Sun, 21 November 2010 at 2:32 AM

The function preview doesn't show bumps because it's preview scale is bigger than in Vue 8. By default, the preview size is the one of a 10 m sphere. If you change the function preview scale (from the preview options icon in the top toolbar) to a smaller scale, you'll be able to see the bumps on the sphere. I agree it may not look the same as in previous versions, but it will be closer.



Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sun, 21 November 2010 at 4:05 AM

My turn to say "hmmmm" - I change the function preview to any of the options less than 10 m (doesn't matter which one 'cause none seem to have any effect) and still no spots appear on the Noise node - this is what the Noise node looks like in Vue 9:

Object Size

and this is what it looks like in Vue 8.5:

Object Size 8.5

As you can see, no spots.

I am also noticing that each time I start a new file and check the Object Size in the Function Editor Preview Options, it is returned to the 10m size.  And this is even though I have changed it in the File > Options > General Preferences tab > - in this area:

Options

It must be something that I am missing.  If you don't mind, Bruno - could you create a simple sphere, load a color map and then add a Noise node and show me what your Noise node looks like in the Function Editor using Vue 9?


Mari-Anne ( ) posted Sun, 21 November 2010 at 4:29 AM

I think something is finally beginning to work.  I discovered that I hadn't pushed the Scale of the Noise node itself down far enough (in the above example in my first post, I have the scale at 3).  As you say, when I change the scale used in Vue 8.5 by one decimal point to the right, the spots begin to appear.

However, I still am wondering if something is going on with my version of Vue 9, since the Object Size keeps changing back to 10 m even though I've got it set to 1 m in the File > Options area??  Should I report this as a bug to e-on?


bruno021 ( ) posted Sun, 21 November 2010 at 5:43 AM

I'll check if the general settings for preview scale are kept in between sessions, maybe it's a bug indeed.



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