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Subject: cant it be used....
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Quote - Maybe you should ask Daz ;).
Laurie
And then, report back here... :biggrin: please...
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
https://www.daz3d.com/i/shop/itemdetails/?item=13038
If you look under the "what's included and features" tab you can usualy find out whether it will work inside Poser or not.
In this case, the wings appear to be only for Daz|Studio users. The files are .DSF files. If it will work outside of Daz, they usually list .OBJ or .CR2.
A shame though. Those are great wings. However, as a Poser user I guess they lost my sale.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - https://www.daz3d.com/i/shop/itemdetails/?item=13038If you look under the "what's included and features" tab you can usualy find out whether it will work inside Poser or not.
In this case, the wings appear to be only for Daz|Studio users. The files are .DSF files. If it will work outside of Daz, they usually list .OBJ or .CR2.
A shame though. Those are great wings. However, as a Poser user I guess they lost my sale.
Looks like this might be a pattern for things to come? Oh well... I've been told in no uncertain terms I need to cut back my spending on 3D stuff, so this actually helps me in my endeavour. Which is a good thing. 
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
<<>> unclean, unclean!!! <<>> 
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Quote - Yep, now Poser users are pariahs at Daz ;).
Laurie
Well I sure won't be renewing my PC membership next month seeing that they are changing from a "3D" site to one that supports their own program only. Since I don't use Daz|Studio, it would seem that I will have less and less to choose from there, so I will save my money and spend it in places that do support the program I am using.
I've heard that Daz3D is in serious financial trouble. One would think that they would be doing whatever they could to increase sales, including reaching out to Poser users who make up a serious chunk of 3D program users. Becoming exclusive to one program is cutting off more then their foot. It's amputating 1/2 of their body.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - > Quote - Yep, now Poser users are pariahs at Daz ;).
Laurie
Well I sure won't be renewing my PC membership next month seeing that they are changing from a "3D" site to one that supports their own program only. Since I don't use Daz|Studio, it would seem that I will have less and less to choose from there, so I will save my money and spend it in places that do support the program I am using.
There's still the scenery, though. Well, some scenery, anyway.It's all so dear, anymore!
I guess my issue has been recently, what has been offered in PC has become more and more DS-focused and less generally usable. I'm going to keep an eye on things, but tbh, I'm considering cancelling my PC membership as well... their offerings are just not as compelling as they used to be. I'm not into monsters and goblins nor Optitex stuff, and the other stuff is pretty-much a reversioning (is that a word?) of stuff I already have. Starting to make my own dynamic cloth in Blender (as well as other stuff - got this HUGE project going for work involving basically re-creating the entire recovery room in Blender for Poser) and so little of what Daz is offering is going to fit into that.
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Quote - https://www.daz3d.com/i/shop/itemdetails/?item=13038
If you look under the "what's included and features" tab you can usualy find out whether it will work inside Poser or not.
In this case, the wings appear to be only for Daz|Studio users. The files are .DSF files. If it will work outside of Daz, they usually list .OBJ or .CR2.
A shame though. Those are great wings. However, as a Poser user I guess they lost my sale.
yea I saw that ds icon checked to show its compatability.
which made me go NOOOOOooOOooOo
seriously they are beautiful wings.
allot of poser sales are going to get lost with this new trend.
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
Quote - > Quote - Yep, now Poser users are pariahs at Daz ;).
Laurie
Well I sure won't be renewing my PC membership next month seeing that they are changing from a "3D" site to one that supports their own program only. Since I don't use Daz|Studio, it would seem that I will have less and less to choose from there, so I will save my money and spend it in places that do support the program I am using.
I've heard that Daz3D is in serious financial trouble. One would think that they would be doing whatever they could to increase sales, including reaching out to Poser users who make up a serious chunk of 3D program users. Becoming exclusive to one program is cutting off more then their foot. It's amputating 1/2 of their body.
No time like the present: I did it just now. Saving $7.95 which i can now use here. Or save up for real clothing for me... Vicki's got enough! :biggrin:
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
I bought a 1 year subscription, so it comes up for renewal next month.
Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Yep, now Poser users are pariahs at Daz ;).
Laurie
Well I sure won't be renewing my PC membership next month seeing that they are changing from a "3D" site to one that supports their own program only. Since I don't use Daz|Studio, it would seem that I will have less and less to choose from there, so I will save my money and spend it in places that do support the program I am using.
I've heard that Daz3D is in serious financial trouble. One would think that they would be doing whatever they could to increase sales, including reaching out to Poser users who make up a serious chunk of 3D program users. Becoming exclusive to one program is cutting off more then their foot. It's amputating 1/2 of their body.
No time like the present: I did it just now. Saving $7.95 which i can now use here. Or save up for real clothing for me... Vicki's got enough! :biggrin:
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Yeah, mine was monthly, so I could stop it anytime. Well, seems that time has come!
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Top: Poser 6 "WinterQueen"
Middle: Griffin Wings
Bottom: Feathered Wings.
While the WinterQueen wings are quite pretty, they aren't very moveable.
The Feathered Wings are nicely rigged, but the "meaty arm part" always creates a "plucked chicken" look for me.
Seems to be a problem with those new wings, too.
My favorites by far are the old Griffin wings. The "arms" blend nicely with the wings, the overall shape is very elegant, and they are fully rigged so they can go from soaring to perched without problem.
I deleted the "Griffin" figure and reshaped the shoulder parts a bit so that I can easily parent them to any (human) figure I like.
(And of course they work 100% in Poser)
New isn't always better. 8)
Quote - Are you li$tenin' DAZ ? :blink:
No of course not....Doc you need to start another thread and list all the new stuff in P9/PP2012 and start to take feedback of what your loyal students need new tuts on.
Of course number one will how to fake out the daz installers to let you unpack a .dsf file when it is looking for other bits first and then hack said .dsf file to work in Poser followed by adding weight maps to the mil 3 characters.
Gary
"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"
Quote - Are you li$tenin' DAZ ? :blink:
I think they'll listen to their accountants more when they're sucking on their pencils they've just sharpened and offer their opinions that going for the exclusive approach was probably not a very good idea.
Really, about the only things that Poser "makes" that doesn't work in Daz directly are the mat room shaders. pPretty much everything else you can get to work in that programme. I.e, Poser's got a more flexible work environment. I.e, I'm going to invest in PP2012 upgrade instead of my DS4 Adv upgrade. Not that my purchasing decisions matter much... :lol:
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Quote - ... Not that my purchasing decisions matter much... :lol:
Do NOT discount yourself ... after all, a flood is just a few trillion drops of water that are in the same location at the same time, n'est pas?! 
Do NOT discount your drop of water. But ...
"That's just my opinion ... I could be wrong."
- Dennis Miller
Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"
cheers,
dr geep ... :o]
edited 10/5/2019
DAZ will be faced with an even bigger problem when Poser 9 and Pro 2012 are released. The new weight mapping for Poser will cross platforms with other higher end apps. DS tri-axial mapping is supposed to work in the new versions of Poser but won't work in higher end apps.
DAZ thought it was out doing SMS with Genesis but it may backfire on them. They also have the price lists out for Advanced and Pro. At the prices I'm seeing, there's no way I'd consider one, Genesis or no Genesis.
I thought it ws just me... I cancelled my PC membership last month. I've had a few unhappy experiences with things I bought from them recently after years of problem-free patronage.
DAZ, you need to get your act together.
Windows 10 x64 Pro - Intel Xeon E5450 @ 3.00GHz (x2)
PoserPro 11 - Units: Metres
Adobe CC 2017
Maybe you will remember I said this would happen? I made exactly the point that DAZ would start selling stuff only in their proprietary format and got laughed at. That was around 4 or 5 years ago, IIRC.
Who is laughing now?
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Quote - Maybe you will remember I said this would happen? I made exactly the point that DAZ would start selling stuff only in their proprietary format and got laughed at. That was around 4 or 5 years ago, IIRC.
Who is laughing now?
I never doubted you. I was hoping DAZ would come to it's senses but I seems they're hellbent on running themselves into the ground. My annual ends just after the PC anniversay sale ends. I'll just let it run out. Maybe there will be some good deals on useable merchandise during it.
I don't get vendors. This whold DS4/Genesis thing has the makings a huge disaster but most of them are so blind they can't see it.
I wasn't singling you out, btw. Some people, however, accused me of scare mongering when it was bloody obvious they'd eventually use a proprietary format and release content only in that.
As for them running themselves into the ground, DAZ have been diversifying so I don't think it will worry them too much if the Genesis D|S thing doesn't pan out the way they hoped. If they don't end up being the dominant app in this tiny market they still have tons of content they can sell to Poser users, plus the games developer stuff and probably a whole lot more.
I know this scenario has been compared to the VHS/Beta format war but there's a world of difference in that home video was a mass market, whereas what we are part of is really a teeny tiny little thing. I sometimes wonder if the market is big enough to support two competing formats.
Fortunately, both companies seem to be keen on developing new versions and new tools, which can only be good. Certainly, the new versions of Poser sound promising.
It will be interesting to see how things look in 5 years time.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Here's a thought...
Is it against DAZ's EULA to create a format convertor so the D|S only stuff can be made to work in Poser?
If not, there's an opening for a smart coder. :)
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Quote - ...If they don't end up being the dominant app in this tiny market they still have tons of content they can sell to Poser users, plus the games developer stuff and probably a whole lot more. It will be interesting to see how things look in 5 years time.
Well, if that tons of content can only be used in their app, Poser users aren't going to consider them the content site they once did. I don't, anymore. Everything in my New Products Alert emails is about Genesis this, and Genesis that. Before that, a lot of it was about Optitex this and that. All specialised stuff, none of which I'm interested in. Certainly not enough to warrant a PC membership anymore.
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Well they have a huge back catalog of stuff, even if they were to stop producing Poser compatible content this second. And don't forget, digital content does not perish and takes up next to no space compared to other stock. It's not like they have to keep 30 million copies of V4 on their machines, for example.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Quote - "Well they have a huge back catalog of stuff.."
cough... Daz Vault... withdrawing content from the market...
Withdrawing is not the same as deleted and gone, never to be seen or sold again.
Prime fodder for 3D starter packs, at the very least.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Lets be a little fair, after all, Daz studio users cant use Poser dynamic cloth outfits either. Daz has had studio specific items before in the subdivision models, and their version if dynamic cloth. Once they put weightmapping in it would be obvious that those items wont work with previous versions of Studio or Poser.
Hopefully all the stores will come up with an easy to read compatibility indicator.
Quote - they're stating "never being sold again"
Given they stated DAZ base models will always be free, I'll take the above with a pinch of salt, a slice of lime and a large shot of tequila.
Do you really think a business - any business, unless they are suicidal - would sit on stock of ready made, easily available content? Not likely. Maybe for now, if they can coerce enough people to go with Genesis but definitely not in the long run.
Taking everything into account, there's still plenty of stuff which is figure independent, such as scenery, buildings, vehicles and weapons. DAZ can sell them no matter which versions of Mike and Victoria they're currently pimping.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Quote - I thought it ws just me... I cancelled my PC membership last month. I've had a few unhappy experiences with things I bought from them recently after years of problem-free patronage.
DAZ, you need to get your act together.
Do I see a trend here. I cancelled my PC membership last week for two reasons. Firstly I was not buying anything from them anymore as I could always find better things to spend my money on here at Rendo. Then I decided that I would use the last PC voucher and purchased an item. Got a 404 error when I tried to download it and the support team took the best part of a week to fix it.
I was not that upset but this was not the service I used to get from DAZ a few years ago. Shame really as I have spent a lot at the company over the years.
I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 - Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU . The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.
Quote - Do I see a trend here.
Sheesh, did I start something? :blink:
For my part, I'm probably suffering from what SamTherapy accurately described as "content burnout". Coupled with: there's just not that much new dynamic cloth (more, yes, but still proportionately much less than conforming) which has sort-of got me thinking it's time to pull the finger out and make my own.
So for me, the things that are influencing this move away from bought content is the recent shift in Poser use from using conforming cloth to dynamic cloth, the focus at Daz to promote their own technologies to the exclusion of what Poser can deal with (Optitex/Genesis) and most recently, a project involving building an entire virtual recovery room from scratch in Blender with end-point being more up-to-date, clearer, actually educational illustrations for the manuals and competencies we have at work.
Fun!
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
"which has sort-of got me thinking it's time to pull the finger out and make my own................................and most recently, a project involving building an entire virtual recovery room from scratch in Blender with end-point being more up-to-date, clearer, actually educational illustrations for the manuals and competencies we have at work."
Bravo For you Robyn!!!
My Modeling Skills have increased Exponentially in the past year
by both economic necessity and just being tired of being at the mercy of what other vendors
decide to make and when they decide to release it.
I feel sorry for those who have to come begging for the simplest of props for a scene they are trying to put together.
I highly recommend that everyone learn one of the free modeling apps(Wings,Blender etc).
Cheers
Thank you, Wolf359.
Learning to make your own stuff is time well-invested. Even if they chose Wings3D or Silo or Hex or anyway something a bit less arcane than Blender, pushing a few verts around and making basic stuff is just fun and you learn so much more about Poser itself.
I wouldn't recommend trying for the Taj Mahal straight away. Do something simple, something in a tute. Or even, load a simple obj into a modelling programme to see how it is made. muck around with it for a bit. If you turn it into a dog's breakfast: so what?
There's actually a crying need for "dog's breakfast" props... can't seem to ever find one when you need one. :biggrin:
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Hi all
My pc membership will expire in mid 2012, so will be able to choose if I stay or go once they explain their new way of taking more from us and calling it a feature. I almost didn't renew it based on the way I and others were treated in the ninja preview of V5.
I did preorder poser 2012, and will not be upgading my DS3 to DS4, as I didn't like its way of storing files all over the place in any manner it felt like doing. I think I opened it up and used it about 2 weeks and then deleted it.
After trusting DAZ for so long, I found it disconcerting to have so many inaccurate and absolutely false statements come out in the last year or so, nevermind the offensive way they are making fun of longtime members of their community.
And so... I am sitting here with you folks.
Teque
I have never had a Platinum Club membership. I considered it a few times, but it just wasn't worth it.
I am happy that I got so many generation 2, 3 and 4 figures while they were free. With PhilC's utilities and Blender I can make anything for them I want, dynamic or conforming.
I still use Bryce from Daz, but never got into Studio. Learning Poser and Blender was difficult enough, I didn't see the point of learning another program. Studio is not even installed on my computer at the moment. I am not going to learn it or buy the advanced version just to use a figure.
There is no shortage of content. I buy from here, from Rendercandy, 9MBi, RuntimeDNA and I have a lifetime Poserworld membership. Or I make it. Blender is not arcane any more, it is awesome! I can't wait to play with the Makehuman figures in the new Poser. Antonia is adorable. There is so much to look forward to.
Poser 11 Pro, Windows 10
Auxiliary Apps: Blender 2.79, Vue Complete 2016, Genetica 4 Pro, Gliftex 11 Pro, CorelDraw Suite X6, Comic Life 2, Project Dogwaffle Howler 8, Stitch Witch
Sadly I will not be upgrading to the new content creators tools either. They have no value for use in Poser. I purchased the last set up tools as soon as they came out payed almost 200 bucks for them but the new ones I cannot use.
I never have purchased much in the way of content but generally buy any tools that are inovative and usefull to me.
Hi tsquare: Welcome. I found them rude as well, so I never participate in the forums there. But it is all over the place in these times. In most forums you will find bullys and recruiters in one form or another. I have been happy here though for the most part, except in times like this (new apps and figures out) when all the worst people seem to swoop in like vultures or something. Most times though it is nice here.
cheers.
Quote - I've heard that Daz3D is in serious financial trouble. One would think that they would be doing whatever they could to increase sales, including reaching out to Poser users who make up a serious chunk of 3D program users. Becoming exclusive to one program is cutting off more then their foot. It's amputating 1/2 of their body.
The problem is the economy and so less people are buying from DAZ3D or anybody. Without money, companies and their products tend to shrink.
www.youtube.com/user/ShawnDriscollCG
Quote - Canceling my Platinum club membership...
WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA!
(I just did it.)
You should probably tell them why-they might just be blaming the cancellations on the poor economy...
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Just had a look on the site, Laurie - I was going to actually take the time/make the effort and tell them there at Daz why I've cancelled my PC membership, but to be honest, it's not an easy thing to do. I mean, where do I go? site feedback? There's nothing specific to PC club. Yeah, you can stop the auto-payments but they don't seem to care if you do or don't.
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
Quote - Yeah, you can stop the auto-payments but they don't seem to care if you do or don't.
I think that's the defining sentence right there ;)
I'm not sure what Daz is thinking with all of this, but I have my theories. Personally, I'm just waiting for the next great modeler to create the next best thing - for Poser :P I've no doubt there will be one.
Laurie
Well, to be honest, I'm puzzled. As someone remarked, 3D software/content really is a tiny market compared to say cosmetics or gaming or children's books, even. And here Daz appears to be deliberately marketing preferentially to DS owners/users to the exclusion of Poser users. What used to be a content site ... isn't, anymore. This appears to fall within their marketing plan ... which, to me, seems totally enigmatic. I guess Poser users didn't really factor that highly in overall sales.
Genesis is just not compelling enough of a reason to invest in buggy software and invest in learning how to use their tools, assuming they actually work, which most haven't, for me. I'll stick with PP2012 and some of what that promises: sounds like the line's been drawn in the sand. All good.
Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen
[it is clear that humans have contempt for that which they do not understand]
What I think I cant say. But smile its a whole new world for Poser. :)
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OK I just got my email daz letter..and saw the amazing beautiful epic wings.
it says they are for daz studio...does that mean they cant be used in poser at all???????
https://www.darkelegance.co.uk/
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