"I am following the mentioned thread and of course picked up the free DS4 version as soon as I got the notification"

Hope it's working well for you. I've always been puzzled why so many people seem to have problems running DS. I can't even run DS4, my "system" is so laughably below the specs, but DS3A and every other version has worked pretty flawlessly. That's with a wildly eclectic mix of applications, development software, an oddball mix of dlls registered etc. Puzzling.

Well... it's working so far, unfortunatly not flawless, it crashes out of unknown reasons here and there, so working with it is a bit (too)  tedious. But for converting things it should work well enough.

Quote - JenX Ok, folks, this needs to stop.  

 

We're all grown ups.  But, whenever DAZ is brought up, this place turns into a bar on Football night with two big groups rooting for each team.  I get that there are long-term customers who are exclusive Poser users who are upset with the direction things seem to be moving.  You have every right to feel your feelings.  However, we here at Renderosity can't do anything about it.  Getting over upset about it won't do anything but make other people upset at you, and...well, then we're off topic and attacking someone.

And on the other side...we also get that there are people who see the directions DAZ is going in as necessary, growth creating, and the best way forward.  You have every right to have that opinion.  And we shouldn't be attempting to force people into changing that opinion simply because this is the Poser forum.

I for one support you 120%!  I for one cannot live without either;

Poser for it's outstanding render engine, dynamic hair and an outstanding dynamic cloth engine. (due to the fact you can make all one-sided clothing meshes dynamic!)

Daz for it's innovative character models, highly customizable (For the truly geeky) interface, and it's incredible plugins!

To use/support only one is your choice which should not be used as a weapon against someone else's contrary opinion. (Opinions are NOT fact...Fact is fact! ;^D ) 

Quote -   And the attacks in BOTH directions have GOT TO STOP.  They are no longer [ ] this close to being personal attacks.  THEY ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS.  And they need to stop.  NOW.  Because we WILL be handing out warnings from now on.  If a post makes you angry, get away from the computer, and walk away.  Get away from the thread.  Do not take it personal.

Actually, that's the main problem, there are some who choose to take things said/heard here too personally, either as a reaction because they suspect ill will or people with an acidic response, because they do, which boils down to no attempt in trying to understand where the other is coming from. Unfortunately, those who actively choose this type of behavior, usually "get offended" and therefore; they feel justified in lashing back just to get even so they won't lose "face." 

It seems to me that this pall of negativity has clearly established it's home here simply because that type of behavior was, and still is (to a lesser degree) tolorated here.

I am glad that you (As a mod/Admin) are deterring this type of behavior by getting tough with those who contribute to a negative enviroment in these forums with "snarky" and spiteful responses as the veiled vitriol that it is, because while a snarky/spiteful comment might start off as a bit of harmless banter, if left to it's own devices, can have a lasting effect as one of many contributors for a forum out of control.

 I remember when these forums was just that, where you had people "yelling" and cursing at each other so much that the Mods/Admins were clearly overwhelmed and was a little over-zealous with the ban hammer, and because of this, I haven't came back to this forum often, because of the rotten and spiteful attitude that was/is the reputation of this forum, which does more to set a negative view towards it's members and site as a whole, because a forum is the voice of every web-site.

 The best way to combat this, would be to delete negative posts that do not contribute to a positive atmosphere that everyone here deserves!  

Quote - I have Platinum Club membership as well, but so far I don't like what I see regarding Victoria 5 and all that troubles just to get it to work in Poser, IMO it's just too expensive unless they produce a Poser compatible version. I've tried the free version of Daz Studio before, never quite liked it.

There's one more thing, is V5 based on the Genesis figure? If so then V5 certainly will not work in Poser, since Genesis is a Daz Studio exclusive figure and so are its derived figures as well.

Actually, the updated D|S4 has cr2 export capibillities for genesis! It even has Daz's muscle flex morph support!

I just want to clarify some things, and, TBH, takezo, I'm not picking on you, but there are some things that I wanted to clarify.

It's REALLY hard to get banned from here, even temporarily.  We have ALWAYS, since I started on staff in 2005 (back then as MorriganShadow), leaned in favor of educating members before punishment.  It's those who repeatedly break the same rules (or different rules) without reading the TOS (which has only changed a few times since I joined the staff, and most of those changes were for clarification purposes).  There are VERY few things that will get you banned on a first offense, and they will usually get you banned ANYWHERE on a first offense.  We have a zero tolerance for spamming, site-hacking, and warez.  That's it.  Everyone that I've ever witnessed, on the staff side, being banned was REPEATEDLY educated on what the TOS said, asked to read the TOS, and asked to come to staff if they needed anything clarified.  (For the record, I have permanently banned less than 5 active members. And none in the last 2 years.  Many who say they were banned actually weren't.)

There is a LOT of stuff that we staff members used to do to make this place more fun.  We've had to curb a lot of it to watch the forums and galleries like a hawk.  We ALL have jobs/school/families outside of Renderosity, and these are all volunteer positions.  So, yes, I can think of about a million things I'd rather be doing on this site than policing threads on a site where we expect people to act with respect for one another.

Quote - I just want to clarify some things, and, TBH, takezo, I'm not picking on you, but there are some things that I wanted to clarify.

 

It's REALLY hard to get banned from here, even temporarily.  We have ALWAYS, since I started on staff in 2005 (back then as MorriganShadow), leaned in favor of educating members before punishment.  It's those who repeatedly break the same rules (or different rules) without reading the TOS (which has only changed a few times since I joined the staff, and most of those changes were for clarification purposes).  There are VERY few things that will get you banned on a first offense, and they will usually get you banned ANYWHERE on a first offense.  We have a zero tolerance for spamming, site-hacking, and warez.  That's it.  Everyone that I've ever witnessed, on the staff side, being banned was REPEATEDLY educated on what the TOS said, asked to read the TOS, and asked to come to staff if they needed anything clarified.  (For the record, I have permanently banned less than 5 active members. And none in the last 2 years.  Many who say they were banned actually weren't.)

There is a LOT of stuff that we staff members used to do to make this place more fun.  We've had to curb a lot of it to watch the forums and galleries like a hawk.  We ALL have jobs/school/families outside of Renderosity, and these are all volunteer positions.  So, yes, I can think of about a million things I'd rather be doing on this site than policing threads on a site where we expect people to act with respect for one another.

Ironic that I remember having a similar conversation on this very subject some 6 yrs past! I was wondering why there was so much tension here at these forums this was around the same time that you were an Admin, and I was coming back to the forums after a while and was suprised by the volitilityat that time. but as far as the present, from what I have seen it's no way near as bad as back then!

Quote - I see no reason for any bashing, people can vote with their purse for what they desire and they can be sure that the companies will listen.

I agree with SaintFox.

Quote - Can we please keep this to the original topic?  This is NOT about announcing figures.  This is NOT about arguing about programs.  This is basically me ASKING YOU GUYS TO ACT LIKE ADULTS IN THE FORUM.  If you can't do that, this is not the place for you.

 

 

Adults on this forum? Where? /kidding.

It happens every time there's a new Vicky.

I honestly don't understand the arguing either.

This is why I don't post very often. ;)

I don't understand all the arguing either.  I like em both and you can make great art in both.  If it weren't for studio I would not have poser b/c when I was trying to get into poser it didn't have a free trial...that was a lot of money for me to spend on something that I didn't know if I could use ;)  I got poser 7 for 45 bucks around the time 8 rolled out on clearance at smithmicro.  

I'm looking into poser 9 now for the new render stuff otherwise I would just stick with Poser 7 :)  

I think you will like Poser 9, it's a big leap forward. Weightmapping and the far better interpretaion of SSS are worth the investment alone. Although you can't create Weightmaps in Poser 9 you can use them anyway when created by someone else.

There isn't any reason to bash anyone.  We should all respect one another's choices and move on--give up on the compulsive need to be right about everything and do your own thing and let others do theirs.  This sort of thing is just like the people who come on the forums and try to insist 3D graphics aren't art or a 3D picture is only real art if you hand craft and model everything in your scene yourself.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion--but stop trying to be a cyber bully and grow up.  Some people perfer Poser, some Daz Studio, some Vue, some Carrara, some Maya, etc it isn't a matter or right or wrong--the software is just a tool used to create an image.

Quote - I betcha lots of folks who are Prime members here are also Platinum Club members there. Daz sells lots of good stuff for Poser. Rendo vendors are starting to sell products compatible with Genesis. A lot of us Poser users shop at both markets. It would be a poorer 3D world if either marketplace were to go away. I'm still mourning Aery Soul.

You realise they arent 'gone' right?  And still making amazing stuff, most for poser still but some for genesis, they even mentioned an Alice for genesis but I dont know if its been released at all.  Alice 5 is free for v4 though (just the body not the head)

OK, I'm here for one reason, and one reason only. I'm banned from the DAZ forum. I quite here quite some time ago; like years ago, back when stonemason was first working on his air car. This forum isn't at all freindly with my browser, and never has been.

Can I flip this and ask a simple question?

I downloaded the poser weightmapped Antonia, she isn't compatable with Studio or carrara, now should I go on a rip here? Gripe about Poser not suporting studio or carrara? Or should I excresis some common sence and realized there will be some interum between the introduction of a new technowledgy in one app, before it is compatable with others?

Me? I use the third app. So the posers and dazzers can bicker all they want. I can use poser content and DAZ DSF, so ;) But I can't use the new poser weight mapped figures any better then poser can use the DAZ weightmapped figure. I have had weightmapping in carrara for quite a while ;) Weight mapping is like rigging, generally not compatable from one app to the next. Personally I wasn't that impressed with genesis, weight mapping isn't new by any messure. I've been wondering what has taken DAZ and Poser so long to catch up.

I really think the reason people have been so upset Stanly is because many people, myself included feel that Daz has the best human figures available and that they perfer to use Poser to Daz Studio.  Zygote, then Daz, started as Poser content providers--but now Daz is moving beyond just supplying content for Poser, but developing it's own line of 3D programs.  I know, I myself, was concerned that in order to use the next generation of Daz humans I would only be able to create art with Daz Studio (or Carrara for that matter).  I'm excited about Antonia, not because I use many female models in my artwork, but because he is a Victoria 5 alternative that I can use in Poser Pro and I don't much care for the native Poser people.  Now I'm hoping for another 3rd party male figure, like Brad to come out.

I am using Daz Studio 4 Advanced because I want to be able to use Genesis and Poser may never support it; consequently I'm resigned to whatever directions the software companies go and to make the best of future developments.

As I've said before there is no reason a person can't use more than one human figure program, and there is no reason for people to be hostile because someone else's preference isn't the same as their own.

I have antonia, she used to be better looking. I'd put her in line with SP3 maybe, but not V5; or V4 for that matter.

What I am pointing out is this is all over; well at this point in time ;). Studio's new weight mapping system and the figure DAZ has made using it, that is isn't compatable with Poser.

But then Posers new weight mapping system isn't compatable with DS.

If you have the $$$ for Studio 4 pro, you could weight map V4. That weight mapped V4 wouldn't be poser compatable. Which is the same if you took V4 into poser and weight map her, she wouldn't be studio compatable. 

That is the problem of weight maping, most CG apps have it, and are incompatable.

Now I used Genesis in the DS4 betas; I love to beta. I've used genesis in the carrara 8.5 beta. I have full use of genesis now, but I don't. I still use M4 and V4, hell I still use david and steph. I'm just not that impressed with genesis and don't understand why people are in such an all fired hury to get it in to Poser. As far as I'm concerned genesis is a money pit I can ill afford to use. I'm just not impressed enough with genesis to justify the price point DAZ has put on much of it. I mean I got the creature creator bundle for V4 for less then the V5 character. I also have issues with the way DAZ is marketing much of the genesis content.

To me Poser folk wanting Genesis in Poser, is like me wanting an eye strain stiff neck migrain. :lol: Folks, really, DAZ may like you to believe differently, but genesis is not the best thing since sliced bread. ;)

But this is about the poser VS studio war, which I think is ludicrous because Carrara has them both beat :P

It remains to be seen if Poser will successfully ever incorporate Genesis, but until then I'm contented with puttering around with it in Daz Studio 4 Advanced.

As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

I see we're starting our morning with speculations. How many times have we been told about this, glitter?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

And the Renderosity vendors already including Genesis versions. :)

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

I see we're starting our morning with speculations. How many times have we been told about this, glitter?

ROFL, now there's something speculative about DAZ wishing to sell Genesis content to Poser users?

Oooookie dokey!

Your stalking is about to become a serious legal problem for you.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

And the Renderosity vendors already including Genesis versions. :)

Good point!

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

I see we're starting our morning with speculations. How many times have we been told about this, glitter?

ROFL, now there's something speculative about DAZ wishing to sell Genesis content to Poser users?

Oooookie dokey!

Your stalking is about to become a serious legal problem for you.

Umm, exactly how is responding to a forum thread stalking? That's funny. You remind me of someone...

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2840780

I've done my best to keep it unbiased. So far there are some interesting trends popping up.

Quote - It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

Wouldn't you be one of the people buying those addons? If not why are you worried about Genesis not working in Poser?

Quote - > Quote - It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

Wouldn't you be one of the people buying those addons? If not why are you worried about Genesis not working in Poser?

If DAZ wants to sell to me, it has to work in Poser. If it is not, I am not interested.  Pushing me towards DS4 (as they clearly do by repeatingly stating "Why don't you try it out")  to buy that content irritates the hell out of me.

I was skeptical at first, but I've enjoyed using the Genesis figure since I bit the bullet and got some "shpaes" for it.  I was resistant at first, but like many people with V5, I realized that if I was going to be able to get M5 when he is released next year, I'd have to be running DS of some flavor on my computer.  I can really see both sides of this issue.  If I knew of the definite release of a decent looking Michael alternative by some 3rd party content provider, I probably would have held out longer.  I was thrilled when Antonia came out, I just don't see any new male figure on the horizon that will be  equivalent to her.

I get tired of using the same figures all the time, like other people I get excited by fresh, new content.  I've hardly touched Poser since I got Daz Studio 4 Advanced; but I don't intend to give up on it.  

Here's hoping that Smith Micro starts investing on creating new, better looking people (wieght mapped of course), and that they start supporting add-ons for them in the same way the G2 series had support.  For a while there the G2 people had new outfits coming out on a regular basis in different themes from historical to contemporary.  

Yeah for people that do male renders, it's tough to find a good equivalent for M5. Even when I did stuff for M4, I wanted to do a different body shape to fit the figure but couldn't because I'd have to learn magnets or find someone to make an outfit for it. At least now with Genesis I can change not only the face, but the body and not worry about it... and also scale it shorter.

And with all the talk about female figures and scant comments about the male one and whether anyone going to even make stuff for it, there's not many alternatives to M5. But at least people that do male renders, there's tons of stuff you can do to vary your figure with genesis than what you can do before.

I'm not sure if I'm gonna like M5's default body type, but  there will be a lot of flexibility for other types.  I love the Freak 4, but didn't do much with him because of conforming clothes issue with him in Poser; even with the new "copy morph" and "copy scales" options although the clothes fit better, when I pose the figure there are problems.  most of these can be repaired in post work, but it's nicer to have things work right out of the box.  One thing I can say about Daz Studio is that conforming clothing for their figures work well in it.

I don't get the whole magnetize clothing concept either, perhaps I'll find a good tutorial that will help me to master it--but it seems very complicated.  I don't like to have to fuss over clothing, I want to spend more time composing my scene.

I'd love to use Behemoth 2 as a Freak alternative in Poser, but he's another one of those unsupported 3rd party figures--only 2 texture maps (unless you want to make a monster--there are a couple monster kits) for him and very little in the way of clothing.  I bought the Cross Dresser module so I could adapt clothes to him--but did I mention I don't like to fuss with clothes. 

I guess there is little hope we'll ever get the most recently updated version of Apollo Maxiumus is there?

Yeah I can't comment on M5, but the thing I do like about the whole thing is that if you don't like it... fix it until you do. Genesis and the evolution morphs doesn't give you the customization for adjusting glutes like in M4, so I've generally popped it into Zbrush and customized it. The Ryuu figure I just released all has those customizations and I also customized the hips, back, ribcage and feet too, and it still fits all the clothing. I don't like to fuss with clothes either, and even if it's a little poke through, I'll turn on the collision and smoothing in DS4 and that'll fix it. I think it even works on M4 items too, which may come in handy for my next project.

Hmm, I need to check the exporation date on M4 and V4. Apparently they have went bad in my runtime and are nolonger usable.

At one time I had all the 3rd party free figures. Decoco was the only one I used regular; low polly easy to work with figure. I've got all the olde Sixus figures, but don't use them. I don't use anything of mil 2 quality most of the time.

Most 3rd party figures, regardless of quality, faid away do to lack of suport. And there have been some very well done ones that just never got suported. But why?

This thread is daz vs the world, which doesn't seem too far from the truth. Seems DAZ does as DAZ will, with little regard to customers wants, requests or disaticfation. It's ether the DAZ way or the highway. The only thing that will change DAZ's mind about anything is a drastic drop in sales.

And the way it looks DAZ is about to see there sales do a Titanic.

On the other hand Stanley, you can't please everyone.  No matter what Daz or Smith Micro does, someone will be unhappy with whatever changes they've made.

No M4 and V4 don't have expiration dates; they do have a boredom factor though.  I have many gigabytes of content, and yet I still keep buying more--why?  I like to have something new and different.  A  new figure or program can bring fun back into this hobby when one is feeling burnt out.  Have I done every creative things I could do with M4?  No, of course not, but it's exciting for instance to  have this new Swole body type, which is freakier than the Freak, and get some looks I'd not been able achieve before.

Is this hoby a money pit?  Of course, but it's a hell of a lot better than collecting commemorative shot glasses. . .

I'm not saying this hobby isn't a money pit, what hobby isn't? And I have had quite a few. What I am saying is genesis content is twice to three times the cost of equivelent content for the mil 4 figures. V5 by her self cost as much as Aiko, the girl, and Steph for V4, combined.

And why is that? Simple economics, the price rise was to make up for the projected loss of sales do to Poser users not being able to use Genesis. Yes that is an infurace, but I dought I'm wrong.

Just wait, it get s worse.

Actually I find 3D content is much more affordable than it once was--I started out with Poser 4.  I really don't find the new content to be more expensive if one is in the Platinum Club one gets a good discount--one needs to get the stuff while it's one sale, but even if one misses the first sale, it almost always goes on sale again at some point or another.   I don't think the Base V5 Bundle was any more expensive than V4 Bundle when she came out; in fact if people wait a while a lot of time you can get stuff heavily discounted or free if one does not have to have the most recent figure when it's released.

Daz has had  various free promotional bundles, and they have also given a lot of content away with books and Magazines.  I got the Basic (inclduing textures, morphs, clothes and hair) V4 bundle, Hiro bundle, and Aiko bundle all for free--I've not spent a penny on V4, not even for clothes.

Prices had gone down a few years ago, now they are going up rapidly. The V4 pro bundle was $49 and the V5 pro bundle was $75. This was with platinum discount. The V4 bundle price included V4 base for which we got a refund/coupon later

I understand that prices go up in time, but they are definitely not more affordable

Well looking at all the stuff you get in those bundles, and if you add it up separately I still don't think it's too expensive.  As I said before, if people are willing to wait a while I'm sure they will get the stuff at a lower price in the future (if not for free).  Hell, I paid $50 for Michael 2 alone, that was without texture maps, clothing, hair or anything.

At any rate, the more sources for 3D content there are, the more competition, the more prices will be reasonable.  It used to be that Daz was the only place one could get quality items, but that's not true anymore.  I have gotten some really nice stuff here and at Runtime DNA.  If one comparison shops one can get a lot of good things at a low price.

Quote - Well looking at all the stuff you get in those bundles, and if you add it up separately I still don't think it's too expensive.  As I said before, if people are willing to wait a while I'm sure they will get the stuff at a lower price in the future (if not for free).  Hell, I paid $50 for Michael 2 alone, that was without texture maps, clothing, hair or anything.

At any rate, the more sources for 3D content there are, the more competition, the more prices will be reasonable.  It used to be that Daz was the only place one could get quality items, but that's not true anymore.  I have gotten some really nice stuff here and at Runtime DNA.  If one comparison shops one can get a lot of good things at a low price.

You said that prices were now more affordable - that is simply not true. Whether the prices are reasonable is a different matter and may be different for everyone. I think some products are priced too high and for some I would pay a higher price.

It is absolutely NOT true either that DAZ was the only party in town with quality content. Renderosity and RDNA and other places have had quality content for years and usually for a lower price. Some of the content may be of lower quality, but that is true for DAZ content as well.

I can just speak from my personal experience; it's my opinion in the early days of Poser that Zygote, then Daz had the best quality stuff.  This is not to say that there were some content creators who did an excellent job--but I will say that I'd had a lot of trouble with 3rd party stuff not having the right poser library structure, or paths, or misnamed files.

At any rate, it all boils down to if a person feels that Daz's prices are too high, don't buy Daz content.  If you don't want to invest in Genesis content just walk away.  I really don't know what the argument is.  Like the stuff use it, buy it, enjoy it.  Think it costs too much or that it should be Poser compatible, don't buy it.  I tried to resist Genesis at first, but then I tried it and I like it--but I still llike Poser too.

There isn't any right or wrong answer; everyone just do your own thing and be contented.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

I see we're starting our morning with speculations. How many times have we been told about this, glitter?

Who is "we"?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - As far as I'm concerned it's not up to DAZ to get genesis in to poser, it's up to smithmicro. They are the ones responcable for developing Poser, not DAZ.

I don't think it is up to DAZ to dumb down genesis to get it in to poser, it is up to smith micro to update Poser to be compatable with Genesis.

When P8 came out with all the changes it wasn't up to smith micro to rewrite it so the figures were more compatable with studio, it was up to DAZ to update studio to accomiate.

If posers want to point a figer at whom is responcable for genesis not working in Poser, they need to do an about face.

Is it up to the folks at 3DS to rewrite their .3ds format so it opens in Poser? No.

So why is it up to DAZ to make genesis Poser compatable? Even trying is more then any other development company would do.

It is DAZ who wants to sell the addons for Genesis. SM does not get one penny of it

 

DAZ and the DAZ PAs.

I see we're starting our morning with speculations. How many times have we been told about this, glitter?

Who is "we"?

Yeah, the word should have been "you".

Thanks for catching that, but we've kinda moved on to other things to be rehashing from yesterday.

One wishes that Daz would make figures for the Poser community but life goes on and in the long run we will see how it turn out. In the meantime we will just deal with hand we have been dealt.

I agree outa, and even as it is, there is nothing that says that some of their content won't be traditional Poser figures, like toon characters and animals.  I don't think any of us know how things are going to go in the future--but we'll find out in time.

Quote - I agree outa, and even as it is, there is nothing that says that some of their content won't be traditional Poser figures, like toon characters and animals.  I don't think any of us know how things are going to go in the future--but we'll find out in time.

DAZ has stated they will not do any development anymore for the V4 figure. If they release other standalone figures those will be for DS4 which - as they have said repeatedly - are not compatible with Poser.

DAZ PA's can choose (for now) whatever they want to develop for, which includes V4 and other figures

Seems like a clear path to me

Is this the proper thread to ask where the "Daz wants to Chat" show disappeared to?

Quote - Is this the proper thread to ask where the "Daz wants to Chat" show disappeared to?

Scroll down. All they did was unsticky it.

Ya that seems the best way of burying it without actually killing it.

Don't see any reason this one shouldn't join it.

I said, I see no reason this one shouldn't join it.

Quote - One wishes that Daz would make figures for the Poser community but life goes on and in the long run we will see how it turn out. In the meantime we will just deal with hand we have been dealt.

Totally agree. If those guys at Daz did not wish to make a Poser compatible figure at all then please do not waste my time sending out their manager over here to explain their excuses in an official tone, I've seen this trick before and it will not work.

I will believe it when I see the actual product out.

Evolve or go extinct.

Technolagy moves forward, move with it or be left behind. 

DAZ is trying to get content caught up with the rest of the CG world. Weight maps have been around for years, it's about time a content sales company stepped up to great it.

In order to use that weight mapping DAZ had to design Studio 4 around it. Daz makes figures for studio, up to studio 4 DAZ was still using the older Poser format, so DAZ wasn't directly making figures for Poser, the figures where made in the old Poser format so of coarse they worked in Poser. In order for DAZ to make a modern figure DAZ had no choice but to abandon the old Poser format.

Do you see me Pn a B because Poser weight mapping doens't work in studio or carrara? And why is that? Because poser doesn't have a figure out I would want to use in studio or carrara, if I could. 

Everyone is griping because Genesis can't be used directly or easily in Poser, I don't see any one griping about the new Poser weightmapping not working in anything but Poser.