Sorry if this is not in the right forum. Please advise.

YES it factors into my buying decision to see the ENTIRE skin texture!! and compare vs other characters?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!??

Are we really that prudish and insecure about being human?? YES women have breasts!! YES men have penises!! Grow up!!! Why are we so afraid of sexualizing everything and hide natural human appearance in shame? Is everyone really that grossed out by nude nipples or is policital correctness completely out of control?? It's aweful childish behavior!

Is this something that Renderosity is pushing for or is this the vendors taking action by themselves? Could I please get some comments from vendors engaging in this practice? Renderosity's warning signs are ludicrous as well, omg nude nipple are going to scar you for life but violently bleeding decaying zombies are totally fine!

This trend is disturbing and disgusting and that's why I hate browing Daz because of their freaking childish behavior and now Renderosity too.

Sorry about my rant, but I'm NOT ashamed to talk about this. Thank you! Please vendors comment!

What are you talking about?

The additional images contain nudity if required like it has been for the last several years

With all due respect, just because some people don't want to see nude pics of men and women doesn't mean that something's WRONG with them anymore than it does if they DO want to see nude pics.

I can certainly understand your point about wanting to see the entire skin texture on a figure, and I agree that Rendo should try to find some way to make it so. But at the same time, it doesn't need to be just all out there and too bad if you don't want to see it.

Just my 2 cents.

sometimes the vendors are just making the previews "work safe".

There is a Renderosity account option to NOT view nude images.  Perhaps OP'er could check whether own account settings have been switch to not show nude images. Nothing personal intended here, don't take this comment wrongly, please..

Personally, I value such an optional viewing function, because I don't want to be browsing a nude promo image when I am travelling in say, a conservative country where strict rules about such matters apply.

There are usually nude images on subsequent images for skin textures, just not the main image...some ppl visit Rendo while they're working. Personally, I think it's a good policy. If you're not seeing the whole body on a skin texture product, it's because your not looking at all the images supplied.

Laurie

I put nude images on character textures as do most people. I think rendo requires front, back and side images.

Quote - What are you talking about?

The additional images contain nudity if required like it has been for the last several years

 

I'm talking about the fact that I've just being browsing the character section and that less and less characters are actually shown with their full body texture... WITH content warning available mind you. So now we have to imagine what they look like because 'someone on the way to work' can't read a content warning sign, which btw is IMPOSSIBLE to miss.

Quote - sometimes the vendors are just making the previews "work safe".

are you saying huge big letter content warnings are not enough?

are you saying provocative clothed imagery (which is allowed) is worse than a simple back and front view of the skin texture?

are you saying the corporate world now dicates what every private person ought to be looking at?

are you saying society ought to be so ashamed what a real human being looks like?

are you saying bloody decaying zombies are "safer" than nipples on a woman or a penis on a man?

or maybe just explain what exactly is "unsafe" about a nude picture, I'd really like to know, because I don't understand!?

Quote - There is a Renderosity account option to NOT view nude images.  Perhaps OP'er could check whether own account settings have been switch to not show nude images. Nothing personal intended here, don't take this comment wrongly, please..

Personally, I value such an optional viewing function, because I don't want to be browsing a nude promo image when I am travelling in say, a conservative country where strict rules about such matters apply.

firstly I know how to use the "safe" options, I've been a renderosity user for years, I'm specifically talking about vendors no longer show casing nude skin textures even with the available CONTENT WARNING options, perhaps you don't buy here often

and I'm glad you hate nudity and that therefore others must think like you. apparently that's the way vendors are thinking now too. back to middle ages I suppose

Quote - There are usually nude images on subsequent images for skin textures, just not the main image...some ppl visit Rendo while they're working. Personally, I think it's a good policy. If you're not seeing the whole body on a skin texture product, it's because your not looking at all the images supplied.

Laurie

please read my statement about work safe above, I'm not talking about a main image as a nude image, I'm talking about no skin texture image AT ALL even WITH content warning, because you can't take "work safe" too serious apperently... so is everybody now living at work? Is that why this is necessary? 

Quote - > Quote - sometimes the vendors are just making the previews "work safe".

 

are you saying huge big letter content warnings are not enough?

are you saying provocative clothed imagery (which is allowed) is worse than a simple back and front view of the skin texture?

are you saying the corporate world now dicates what every private person ought to be looking at?

are you saying society ought to be so ashamed what a real human being looks like?

are you saying bloody decaying zombies are "safer" than nipples on a woman or a penis on a man?

 

or maybe just explain what exactly is "unsafe" about a nude picture, I'd really like to know, because I don't understand!?

maybe some folks don't want to get fired for veiwing this stuff at work....sure there are options but they may not notice that.

I must be missing something here, when I am looking for a good character set or texture I tend to look at the face first.  If I find the face attractive, or ugly if I want a villan, then I look at the additional images to see if the rest appeals to me.  I don't do nude renders as a rule as so manyother people cover that off in their renders there is no real need to add to it.  Yes, seeing the full naked texture is important, even to me but not to the degree I am upset if it takes a few extra clicks of the mouse.

If there are large chunks of product not shown, be it character, hair or prop, I usually do not buy so by the law of supply and demand I suspect most vendors have got it right for the majority of the buyers, but then you are never going to please everyone.

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!??

Are we really that prudish and insecure about being human?? YES women have breasts!! YES men have penises!! Grow up!!! Why are we so afraid of sexualizing everything and hide natural human appearance in shame? Is everyone really that grossed out by nude nipples or is policital correctness completely out of control?? It's aweful childish behavior!

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This trend is disturbing and disgusting and that's why I hate browing Daz because of their freaking childish behavior and now Renderosity too.

Why don't you lighten up a little. You are shooting the messenger (or yelling hysterically at the messenger anyway).

Take a moment to read the submission guidelines for marketplace products here:

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13759#8

If you see product promo images which are at odds with those guidelines, take it up with the merchant concerned. If you have a problem with the guidelines themselves, take it up with Rendo. Having a hissy fit here just makes you look like a drama queen.

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are you saying huge big letter content warnings are not enough?

are you saying provocative clothed imagery (which is allowed) is worse than a simple back and front view of the skin texture?

are you saying the corporate world now dicates what every private person ought to be looking at?

are you saying society ought to be so ashamed what a real human being looks like?

are you saying bloody decaying zombies are "safer" than nipples on a woman or a penis on a man?

 

or maybe just explain what exactly is "unsafe" about a nude picture, I'd really like to know, because I don't understand!?

maybe some folks don't want to get fired for veiwing this stuff at work....sure there are options but they may not notice that.

sure you're going to get fired, what country do you live in??

you didn't read the above did you? do you think any of the other items are more valid?

that also doesn't get to the core of the issue with people being ashamed of who they are

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!??

Are we really that prudish and insecure about being human?? YES women have breasts!! YES men have penises!! Grow up!!! Why are we so afraid of sexualizing everything and hide natural human appearance in shame? Is everyone really that grossed out by nude nipples or is policital correctness completely out of control?? It's aweful childish behavior!

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This trend is disturbing and disgusting and that's why I hate browing Daz because of their freaking childish behavior and now Renderosity too.

Why don't you lighten up a little. You are shooting the messenger (or yelling hysterically at the messenger anyway).

Take a moment to read the submission guidelines for marketplace products here:

http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13759#8

If you see product promo images which are at odds with those guidelines, take it up with the merchant concerned. If you have a problem with the guidelines themselves, take it up with Rendo. Having a hissy fit here just makes you look like a drama queen.

thank you and it states that nudity IS ALLOWED for secondary images

I do note that renderosity are making it difficult to see and for that renderosity gets a huge slap on the wrist for perpatuating the notion that it's shameful to be human, that is shameful not the nudity

Quote - I must be missing something here, when I am looking for a good character set or texture I tend to look at the face first.  If I find the face attractive, or ugly if I want a villan, then I look at the additional images to see if the rest appeals to me.  I don't do nude renders as a rule as so manyother people cover that off in their renders there is no real need to add to it.  Yes, seeing the full naked texture is important, even to me but not to the degree I am upset if it takes a few extra clicks of the mouse.

If there are large chunks of product not shown, be it character, hair or prop, I usually do not buy so by the law of supply and demand I suspect most vendors have got it right for the majority of the buyers, but then you are never going to please everyone.

if that's all it took I would not complain, but many vendors do NOT show nudity AT ALL meanign NO full skin textures any longer and this hampers my buying decisions

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if that's all it took I would not complain, but many vendors do NOT show nudity AT ALL meanign NO full skin textures any longer and this hampers my buying decisions

When it comes to hair props, if a vendor doesn't include a clear view of the hair from the back, I tend to assume it's because the back looks shite.

Maybe a failure to show full nudity isn't necessarily due to prudishness...

Isn't Rendo in the 'Bible Belt" or at the very least "conservative" America?

If what the Op says - that some skin textures don't show the full nude figure - is correct, that is (or was, things may have changed) against the submission guidelines for the Marketplace.  Exceptions are for child models and Rosy Cheeks Lina.

If I'm reading this right, it's not about the first image, it's about any of the images not showing a nude.  

In any event, I'd be reluctant to buy a skin that didn't show the whole figure.

And we wonder why The USA's competitiveness in in the tank. People who could/should be umnh, working are browsing Rendo.

Honestly I think the location of Renderosity in the Bible Belt cannot have anything do do with it. I also live in Tennssee, and I will sometimes do nude renders to put with my products on CP. I know many traditional artists here who draw and paint nude people live. Also, I think many of the vendors are not necessarily from this region.

Renderosity allows nudity as long as there is an advisory. I am grateful for this as I will sometimes browse the Internet and peek in at Renderosity over my lunch hour and I work in a setting where school teachers are sometimes present, so it would not look good if I just happened to be bombarded with nude pictures on my screen without warning. The choice to include those seems to be a trend that individual vendors are electing, not something Renderosity has asked them to do.

He is correct in saying that there are some character packages that do not have any full body nude shots of the texture. I'm not going to name the vendors but I was a little annoyed that not one of the demo shots of the said characters were a full front and back shot of just the skin texture--all the demo images were clothed ones. I understand the deal about people cruising the store while they're at work (naughty naughty!) but at the very least the last image in the grouping should show the full skin texture.

My main bugaboo of late is that so VERY few of the vendors describe and/or credit the lighting that was used in their demo images and if the lighting does not come from another vendor they should at least include the light set used in their demo images. I am glad to see tags on some images saying which version of Poser was used for the image but it's not descriptive enough. From careful observation I'm sure that while some recent character packages use Poser's SSS, they're not also using IDL for the demo images. And they should say so in their promo credits. At least a few vendors are putting in their description that their characters will look different under different light set ups. That's good. But vendors should credit their light setups!!!! This is also my complaint about gallery postings. People do not say anything about their light set ups and in most cases don't even say what version of Poser was used for the image. And especially with vendor demos, if they're using Reality/Lux, it would be nice if they would indicate that on the demo image. Some vendors do, some don't. But to me the light setup is a key factor in the demo image. As much as seeing the entire skin texture in front and back views.

Quote - I do note that renderosity are making it difficult to see and for that renderosity gets a huge slap on the wrist for perpatuating the notion that it's shameful to be human, that is shameful not the nudity

Whut?  That's a hell of a leap.  

Quote - And we wonder why The USA's competitiveness in in the tank. People who could/should be umnh, working are browsing Rendo.

People do still take lunch breaks. I work at least 10 hours over what I am paid every week out of dedication to my job. I think a  lot of people do work more hours than they are paid for. A quick lunch break to surf the web on my Ipad is not exactly destroying the competitiveness of the USA.

And there are those of us outside the USA. :)  And those of us who aren't working, or couldn't give a flying fuck what the boss thinks.  :D

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Honestly I think the location of Renderosity in the Bible Belt cannot have anything do do with it. I also live in Tennssee, and I will sometimes do nude renders to put with my products on CP. I know many traditional artists here who draw and paint nude people live. Also, I think many of the vendors are not necessarily from this region.

Renderosity allows nudity as long as there is an advisory. I am grateful for this as I will sometimes browse the Internet and peek in at Renderosity over my lunch hour and I work in a setting where school teachers are sometimes present, so it would not look good if I just happened to be bombarded with nude pictures on my screen without warning. The choice to include those seems to be a trend that individual vendors are electing, not something Renderosity has asked them to do.

I know it doesn't.  I was being facetious.

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Honestly I think the location of Renderosity in the Bible Belt cannot have anything do do with it. I also live in Tennssee, and I will sometimes do nude renders to put with my products on CP. I know many traditional artists here who draw and paint nude people live. Also, I think many of the vendors are not necessarily from this region.

Renderosity allows nudity as long as there is an advisory. I am grateful for this as I will sometimes browse the Internet and peek in at Renderosity over my lunch hour and I work in a setting where school teachers are sometimes present, so it would not look good if I just happened to be bombarded with nude pictures on my screen without warning. The choice to include those seems to be a trend that individual vendors are electing, not something Renderosity has asked them to do.

I know it doesn't.  I was being facetious.

Oh, sorry. I can be quite literal at times. It is a flaw.

You might also consider payment processors in your witch hunt. Many payment processors (such as paypal, for example) are pretty strict when it comes to nudity on merchant websites as they have pretty fine lines about what they consider pornography. They don't give two shits if you call it art. In that regard, it's not up to the merchant website to decide, they have to abide by the rules of their payment processing companie(s).

Be glad rosity allows nudity at all, because of that. 

Visa recently went on a crusade against all sites that contained any adult content, or anything they deemed to be adult content. I'm not sure if that's still going and I don't know the specifics about it. 

There are other poser-content sites that have had serious problems obtaining payment processors due to the simple fact they display naked 3D figures on their pages or in their marketplace. 

And, there are community members and customers here who are from countries whose laws don't even allow kissing to be displayed in public or in any media, much less nudity. They're considered serious crimes and can bring a lot of trouble from the governments.

Just some points to consider when lashing out at a group of people and/or a website for being too conservative for your tastes, before looking at all the facts.

~Shane

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if that's all it took I would not complain, but many vendors do NOT show nudity AT ALL meanign NO full skin textures any longer and this hampers my buying decisions

When it comes to hair props, if a vendor doesn't include a clear view of the hair from the back, I tend to assume it's because the back looks shite.

Maybe a failure to show full nudity isn't necessarily due to prudishness...

well the ones I'm referring to definitely do not seem to have any such issues from what I can tell the quality is rather high otherwise

Quote - Renderosity allows nudity as long as there is an advisory. I am grateful for this as I will sometimes browse the Internet and peek in at Renderosity over my lunch hour and I work in a setting where school teachers are sometimes present, so it would not look good if I just happened to be bombarded with nude pictures on my screen without warning. The choice to include those seems to be a trend that individual vendors are electing, not something Renderosity has asked them to do.

I don't have any problem with advisories... which they all use anyway I have a problem with NO display of skin textures!!

Stop with this nonsens of being bombarded with nude pictures please. Everybody uses advisories the only way you see nude images if you decide to click on them?

Also please explain how a bleeding, decaying zombie is less horrifying that nude nipples. Don't you see how twisted this society it becoming with regards to nudity and sexuality? THAT is the only shame being perpetrated here!

And perhaps you can explain what happens when you see a nude picture. Are you going to get struck by lighting? Will god send you to hell? Will we forever be scared by the emotional torment???

We were born with certain attributes... that what it means to be a human being. If you want to be ashamed of that, that is your call I don't have anything against that, but why do I have to suffer?? I have no problem with nudity and I am not ashamed of how nature made me. Thank you!

Quote - Isn't Rendo in the 'Bible Belt" or at the very least "conservative" America?

Ok I understand you're kidding, but seriously now. Renderosity is becoming more prudish like Daz by the day.

When buying skins/ characters one of the few points of difference for me between Daz and Renderosity was that I could actually see what I'm buying at Renderosity. Now that Renderosity is playing the same "politically correctness" game in trying to immitate Daz more and more, what is the point of coming here? That was one of the few good points about Renderosity. It's quite sad actually, because I do like Renderosity and I like the new design, but that is a move for the worse and won't in any way benefit Renderosity.

Since there is no more choice people will be inclined to go directly to the source. I'm not saying this out of spite, it's simple logic for those that don't have a history with Renderosity.

Ok, you've been told already...it's not OUR POLICY, it's Rendo's. We do not own, nor do we run the site, nor do we make the site decisions. Going on and on to us about it won't change diddly squat, so if you'd like to continue on this ridiculous vein, it will just be trolling in IMVHO. We can't do ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU complain to the powers that be if you don't like their policies - you can bitch at us until you're blue in the face but it won't accomplish anything. LOL

Laurie

Quote - You might also consider payment processors in your witch hunt. Many payment processors (such as paypal, for example) are pretty strict when it comes to nudity on merchant websites as they have pretty fine lines about what they consider pornography. They don't give two shits if you call it art. In that regard, it's not up to the merchant website to decide, they have to abide by the rules of their payment processing companie(s).

Be glad rosity allows nudity at all, because of that. 

Visa recently went on a crusade against all sites that contained any adult content, or anything they deemed to be adult content. I'm not sure if that's still going and I don't know the specifics about it. 

There are other poser-content sites that have had serious problems obtaining payment processors due to the simple fact they display naked 3D figures on their pages or in their marketplace. 

And, there are community members and customers here who are from countries whose laws don't even allow kissing to be displayed in public or in any media, much less nudity. They're considered serious crimes and can bring a lot of trouble from the governments.

Just some points to consider when lashing out at a group of people and/or a website for being too conservative for your tastes, before looking at all the facts.

 

~Shane

I'm sorry but I am assuming you are wrong, re processesors, because Renderosity was accepting nudity since day one and THEY have now apparently started the witch hunt on nudity. It would be hard to believe that Visa has now suddenlty turned on Rosity. I don't know of course.

And it's still a solution where no problem exists!! Do you really think customers have suddenly started complaining about nudity when it used to be hard to find a figure without? You just expected to see the skin texture you were buying. Now Renderosity is jumping on the "we don't want to be seen as promoting the shameful nude body" band wagon. It's very tragic.

I'm sorry that there are countries where kissing is prohibited, does that mean we should ban kissing in wetern countries as well? It's ludicrous to think we can cater for every custom and religion. The point is: what is what is moral and right?

Now if you can tell me about the evils and harms of nudity, then I will be all ears!! Please explain to me how nudity harms society!!

Don't you think it would be nice if actions were based on solid reasoning and not superstition, ancient customs and conformity?

Quote - Ok, you've been told already...it's not OUR POLICY, it's Rendo's. We do not own, nor do we run the site, nor do we make the site decisions. Going on and on to us about it won't change diddly squat, so if you'd like to continue on this ridiculous vein, it will just be trolling in IMVHO. We can't do ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU complain to the powers that be if you don't like their policies - you can bitch at us until you're blue in the face but it won't accomplish anything. LOL

Laurie

Did you read any of my posts? Renderosity STILL allows nudity, but vendors are chosing not to display them! So yes, the ball is still in the vendors court as well.

I am not trolling. Every post is followed by a reasoned argument, if not please point it out and I will address it. Thank you.

Quote - Also please explain how a bleeding, decaying zombie is less horrifying that nude nipples. Don't you see how twisted this society it becoming with regards to nudity and sexuality? THAT is the only shame being perpetrated here!

Uhm, what?

In the 40s and 50s, married couples could not be shown on tv sleeping in the same bed. That's why Lucy and Ricky slept in twin beds.

Today we have oral sex being simulated in soap operas and sit coms, and entire series like Desperate Housewives, Nip/Tuck and Jersey Shore, among countless others - pretty much all of which revolve around nothing but sex with anyone and everyone as often as possible. If the first episode of FX's American Horror Story had been filmed in the 1980s it would most likely have only been shown on Cinemax Late Night, cause it's pretty much soft-core porn. 

Society is drenched in sex today, from tv to magazines to bilboard ads. It's even in freakin M&M candy commercials. Twisted, yes. Prudish, not by a long shot. 

And as Laurie stated, you're really bordering on being a troll, cause there's nothing anyone of us can do about it. If you don't like it, don't shop here anymore. There's a few other poser sites you can get your porn fix at.

~Shane

Quote - > Quote - And as Laurie stated, you're really bordering on being a troll, cause there's nothing anyone of us can do about it. If you don't like it, don't shop here anymore. There's a few other poser sites you can get your porn fix at.

 

~Shane

 

I appologize if I seem overly enthusiastic, but it's an important issue. And I am a customer here, voicing my concerns with reasoned arguments!

Do tell at which point nudity become porn? When was I referring to porn? Because that appears to be real problem here. I mention nudity and some people immediately equate it to porn. It is not! 

We have differing opinions, you do not tolerate nudity (I assume), I do. Is it possible to cater for both?

 

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I'm sorry but I am assuming you are wrong, re processesors, because Renderosity was accepting nudity since day one and THEY have now apparently started the witch hunt on nudity. It would be hard to believe that Visa has now suddenlty turned on Rosity. I don't know of course.

And it's still a solution where no problem exists!! Do you really think customers have suddenly started complaining about nudity when it used to be hard to find a figure without? You just expected to see the skin texture you were buying. Now Renderosity is jumping on the "we don't want to be seen as promoting the shameful nude body" band wagon. It's very tragic.

I'm sorry that there are countries where kissing is prohibited, does that mean we should ban kissing in wetern countries as well? It's ludicrous to think we can cater for every custom and religion. The point is: what is what is moral and right?

Now if you can tell me about the evils and harms of nudity, then I will be all ears!! Please explain to me how nudity harms society!!

Don't you think it would be nice if actions were based on solid reasoning and not superstition, ancient customs and conformity?

 

Here's a link to Paypal's Acceptable Use Policy for you:

https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full

You will notice it uses the terms "obscene" and "sexually explicit". It's very easy for companies to consider nudity obscene. 

Just typing the words "visa's war on porn" or "visa against adult content" in google will bring up plenty of articles dating back over the last 10 years about it. 

And if you'd been around rosity long enough then you might remember the shitstorms that have swirled up repeatedly in the past concerning nudity in both the galleries and the MP, and they always resort back to payment processors and their policies. 

I don't know what 'rosity's owners' specific policies or personal values are on the subject. You'd have to ask them. 

Yes they allow nudity, within strict guidelines.

It's always been a sketchy issue around here.

Perhaps some vendors choose to play on the safe side and not risk getting their product pulled for showing too much, or maybe they want to maximize their audience by not having any of their products blocked from various users in different regions due to content advisories. The reasons are likely as numerous as the number of vendors here, cause everyone has their own ideas and reasons for doing what they do. 

How about taking it a bit more mature route, and asking the vendor in private to see a fully nude rendor of their product if its something you want to use? I doubt many would refuse. 

~Shane

Quote - > Quote - Also please explain how a bleeding, decaying zombie is less horrifying that nude nipples. Don't you see how twisted this society it becoming with regards to nudity and sexuality? THAT is the only shame being perpetrated here!

Uhm, what?

In the 40s and 50s, married couples could not be shown on tv sleeping in the same bed. That's why Lucy and Ricky slept in twin beds.

Today we have oral sex being simulated in soap operas and sit coms, and entire series like Desperate Housewives, Nip/Tuck and Jersey Shore, among countless others - pretty much all of which revolve around nothing but sex with anyone and everyone as often as possible. If the first episode of FX's American Horror Story had been filmed in the 1980s it would most likely have only been shown on Cinemax Late Night, cause it's pretty much soft-core porn. 

Society is drenched in sex today, from tv to magazines to bilboard ads. It's even in freakin M&M candy commercials. Twisted, yes. Prudish, not by a long shot. 

~Shane

do you think lucy and ricky sleeping in separate beds was the right approach?

this is somewhat off topic, but in general I disagree with you here, relationships and sex are an intrinsic part of what it means to be human so yes it should be prevalent in society, it's just that some like to keep it to their relationship/ wife only and others are more open about it

and for every bad show that revolves in fluffy manner around sex, there is a bad show does not contain sex at all, so sex doesn't make a bad show

just as you stated that nothing requires me to purchase at Renderosity, nothing also requires you to watch these shows, I don't

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I appologize if I seem overly enthusiastic, but it's an important issue. And I am a customer here, voicing my concerns with reasoned arguments!

Do tell at which point nudity become porn? When was I referring to porn? Because that appears to be real problem here. I mention nudity and some people immediately equate it to porn. It is not! 

We have differing opinions, you do not tolerate nudity (I assume), I do. Is it possible to cater for both?

 

The tone of your posts are very antagonistic, like you're trying to start arguments over the subject. Kind'a smells trollish. 

Appology accepted, no big deal.

I have nothing against nudity - i'm a character artist, and a guy, I love looking at the human form in all its glory, male and female.

but I can also understand the stance on nudity from a business perspective, when laws vary from country to country and a business has to walk a fine line between what is legal and maximizing its audience/customer base. And I also see - and disagree with - the hypersexualization of US society over the last few decades. It dusgusts me. Doesn't mean I'm against nudity. I just like it to be done in taste and respectfully. 

~Shane

wont be long till this thread gets locked.

If venders are not showing what there selling.well then it's the venders not renderostity.
I'd ask the venders what's up.

Renderosity is one of the coolest site's on the web.why I stay here.
I am a guest at renderosity so I try to respect there rules.

So even if a thread has violence nudity language tagged.
I still tag violence nudity language for each and every post that has them.
So if you cuss in 3 post, tag 3 language post.
If we're not responsible to tag ourselves then ...

With all that being said.

I'm a Anarchist .No one tells me what I can or can not do with my Art or my website etc etc.

over the decades I've had confrontation with others trying to force there will on me.
been acussed of a lot of crap.part of the game I guess.

 http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2358849&user_id=48237&member&np

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I am not trolling. Every post is followed by a reasoned argument, if not please point it out and I will address it. Thank you.

Moaning at us about it isn't reasonable since we can't do anything about it. Notify the management of Rendo, notify the vendors that aren't showing what you think you wanna see. Simple as that.

FWIW I'm starting to think you're a certain other person I know of who is no longer, but perhaps you sneaked back in. LOL.

Laurie

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YES it factors into my buying decision to see the ENTIRE skin texture!! and compare vs other characters?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!??

Are we really that prudish and insecure about being human?? YES women have breasts!! YES men have penises!! Grow up!!! Why are we so afraid of sexualizing everything and hide natural human appearance in shame? Is everyone really that grossed out by nude nipples or is policital correctness completely out of control?? It's aweful childish behavior!

Is this something that Renderosity is pushing for or is this the vendors taking action by themselves? Could I please get some comments from vendors engaging in this practice? Renderosity's warning signs are ludicrous as well, omg nude nipple are going to scar you for life but violently bleeding decaying zombies are totally fine!

This trend is disturbing and disgusting and that's why I hate browing Daz because of their freaking childish behavior and now Renderosity too.

Sorry about my rant, but I'm NOT ashamed to talk about this. Thank you! Please vendors comment!

You're making the wrong assumption, but I guess you've figured that out by now. There's nothing wrong with nude at all, but if Vendors do make a character and choose not show full nude, I'd say move on..... they're hidding something with the clothes. For me, that's the same as selling a house prop with interior and not showing the interior at all. It has nothing to with being prudent and so on.

Personally, I don't care what they show, I'm only interested in the face and general body shape.... I put clothes on my characters and nude art just isn't my thing at all. But vendors should show all, as the guidelines demand, if they don't, the product simply should be rejected. But Rendo doesn't take their own guidelines to serious at all, depending on who's selling. If they know the product is going to sell well, they tend to bend the rules at times. I see top seller release items with same faults my products did get rejected with and I had to correct them..... before I can even sell them here.

It's all about sales and money, nothing to do with all of which you presume. You simply should complain to Rendo and if enough people complain, Rendo may perhaps finally apply their own rules and guidelines to everyone. All those products simply shouldn't have been in the marketplace as they are now and it's Rendo's job to do somethign about that and stop allowing products to get through passing if they don't comply to rules.

It's all about sales and money, nothing to do with all of which you presume. You simply should complain to Rendo and if enough people complain, Rendo may perhaps finally apply their own rules and guidelines to everyone. All those products simply shouldn't have been in the marketplace as they are now and it's Rendo's job to do somethign about that and stop allowing products to get through passing if they don't comply to rules.

While I do believe the rules should be applied fairly to everyone it is difficult for us buyers to complain when we do not see what is going on behind the scenes.  I only see what is for sale not what hoops the vendor has had to go through to get the product into the market place.

The situation with nudity is different, clearly Rendo allows nudity under certain rules, and therefore if there is no nudity in promos it is down to vendor choice.  Which vendors do this can clearly be seen so, if you have an issue, it should be taken up with the vendor in question.  To have a rant in a forum is more of a scatter gun approach. 

It reminds me of weak management that I see so often in the UK when a manager sends out information critising the whole work force when it is only one individual in the wrong.  It is weak management because they avoid having to face the individual but it does not work because the indivdual in question usually thinks it does not apply to them.

I am sure any vendor would be happy to get feedback from a product, providing it was worded in a way that did not offend.  If the lack of promos is an ommission they are likely to change it, if it was a considered decision they will not. 

They have a choice to decide how they promote their product while we have a choice to buy or not.  If we are acting responsibly in the community I guess we have and do not like something I guess we have a resoponsibilty to voice that opinion.  However, if it involves a particular vendor that opinion is better voiced in private and with respect.

Ok I have calmed down a little. I guess I just wanted to vent to some extent. Hehe. Of course I haven't change my position on this.

I guess I will leave you with this thought. Could this be a case of overshooting on "polictial correctness"? I think so yes, because...

Nobody has answered the fundamental question as to what is actually wrong with nudity? Please somebody tell me how it is either evil, damaging to society, bad in any shape or form, degrading perhaps, exploitative, disgusting, obscene... in short harmful?? Please anyone? Perhaps a question Renderosity can't even answer in a conquest to cleanse their site of a "problem" that doesn't exist.

Until this question is answered in a satisfactory manner, I stand firm on my position. Hopefully Renderosity staff or a vendor or two come across this thread and ask themselves this question too. Those who engage in this and ommit valueable product information, eliminate choice and cater only for customers on one side of the issue.

Quote - Ok I have calmed down a little. I guess I just wanted to vent to some extent. Hehe. Of course I haven't change my position on this.

 

I guess I will leave you with this thought. Could this be a case of overshooting on "polictial correctness"? I think so yes, because...

Nobody has answered the fundamental question as to what is actually wrong with nudity? Please somebody tell me how it is either evil, damaging to society, bad in any shape or form, degrading perhaps, exploitative, disgusting, obscene... in short harmful?? Please anyone? Perhaps a question Renderosity can't even answer in a conquest to cleanse their site of a "problem" that doesn't exist.

Until this question is answered in a satisfactory manner, I stand firm on my position. Hopefully Renderosity staff or a vendor or two come across this thread and ask themselves this question too. Those who engage in this and ommit valueable product information, eliminate choice and cater only for customers on one side of the issue.

In the wider world I think you would find a lot of common ground with your views and Poltical Correctness does seem to go to extremes at times.  It is a problem of the modern day culture and so it is not really surprising that Rendo reflects this.  I see nothing wrong in nudity, nor do I find any thing wrong with calling Christmas.. um err ..well Christmas.  I do not do it to offend anyone and in most cases the people complianing are not those who could be offend but they are carry a flag for another group on individuals. 

'PC' annoys me no end but in my latter years I have found it is a waste of effort to get wound up as there is little I could do about it.  I also think that if I had the choice of changing something it would not be the promos on Rendo but preventing things like starvation or child abuse.  Now I am beginning to sound like a Miss World contestant so I will finish before I mention World Peace.........OOH shucks, too late.

Some object strongly to nudity on religious grounds (and I'm not going to get into that can of worms). Some object because it embarrasses them. Some do not want their children to see it too early or at all, which was as I recall one of the arguments for banning nudity in thumbnails in the gallery.

But, also as I recall, its part of the business model that Rendo had to adopt if they wanted to have Paypal purchasing as part of the payment process. Paypal almost refused because they took a look at the store and saw all sorts of nudity in the thumbnails of products and demo images. So Rendo had to make new rules about thumbnails and demo images in order to satisfy Paypal. To Paypal, nudity equals pornography and they do not want that image to damage their image. So, no nudity in store thumbnails, and only one demo image can show the character nude. We may not agree with Paypal's stance, but if the site wanted Paypal to be part of their payment set then they had to tow the line. My personal belief on why some vendors are skipping the nude demo page is because they are being extremely cautious about the rules because I believe I read somewhere that Paypal does periodically check the sites they agree to handle purchasing for. I do not know if that's absolutely true or not, but I believe that might be why some vendors are doing this.

Personally I'm not offended at all by male or female nudity. I was raised in a household that valued archaeology (which I'd be right now if I could handle extremes of temperature). And that meant nude images all the way from paleo figurines, Egyptian murals, and of course, all those Greek bronze statues! But there are as many opinions on this subject as there are people visiting this site.

So your answer--people vary on what they think about nudity, but on this site and in the marketplace, it's probably primarily a business model decision. If you're interested in a character/texture set from a vendor and they don't display a nude demo, then message them politely and they may either link to one or email you one. I'm also creating a character/texture package for the market place. I will have one full body nude image in my demos. But in the morph thumbnails I just finished rendering, I decided to put a bikini bottom on the body image. I didn't put a top on her, but I did split the difference and put bottoms on her because I have read complaints about nudity in people's runtime library windows.

Quote - Nobody has answered the fundamental question as to what is actually wrong with nudity? Please somebody tell me how it is either evil, damaging to society, bad in any shape or form, degrading perhaps, exploitative, disgusting, obscene... in short harmful?? Please anyone? Perhaps a question Renderosity can't even answer in a conquest to cleanse their site of a "problem" that doesn't exist.

Until this question is answered in a satisfactory manner, I stand firm on my position.

How old are you? Do you honestly think that huffing and puffing on the poser forum is going to get your 'question ... answered in a satisfactory manner'?

Do you walk around supermarkets naked? If not, I assume it's because because you are "prudish and insecure about being human" or "hiding natural human appearance in shame" or "grossed out by nude nipples".

You may have noticed that different societies (and different groups within them) have different attitudes towards nudity. Something which is acceptable on a beach in the south of France could get you arrested in Florida. Something which is acceptable in Florida could get you arrested in some Middle Eastern countries. Something which I think is perfectly fine would shock my grandmother.

How you feel about nudity depends on your religious background, your nationality, how old you are, the era in which you grew up, how well travelled you are etc, etc, etc. So there is no single answer to "What is wrong with nudity?"

You seriously hadn't figured this out?

Rendo is a global internet company, they play safe and avoid offending the most easily offended of their customers and business partners. Some merchants might be taking that practice a bit further, or they might be afraid of the hassle resulting from falling foul of Rendo's rules.

Here ya go. 

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showforum.php?forum_id=12374

Issues regarding the Renderosity Marketplace are best asked at the link above.

Now if you're really looking for an answer on Renderosity's Marketplace policies, that's the place you'll get them. If you're just trying to start a political/philosophical debate in the Poser forum, my apologies and I'll happily bow out of the conversation.

Folks, Please don't Feed the Troll...

Quote - > Quote - Renderosity allows nudity as long as there is an advisory. I am grateful for this as I will sometimes browse the Internet and peek in at Renderosity over my lunch hour and I work in a setting where school teachers are sometimes present, so it would not look good if I just happened to be bombarded with nude pictures on my screen without warning. The choice to include those seems to be a trend that individual vendors are electing, not something Renderosity has asked them to do.

 

Stop with this nonsens of being bombarded with nude pictures please. Everybody uses advisories the only way you see nude images if you decide to click on them?

Also please explain how a bleeding, decaying zombie is less horrifying that nude nipples. Don't you see how twisted this society it becoming with regards to nudity and sexuality? THAT is the only shame being perpetrated here!

And perhaps you can explain what happens when you see a nude picture. Are you going to get struck by lighting? Will god send you to hell? Will we forever be scared by the emotional torment???

We were born with certain attributes... that what it means to be a human being. If you want to be ashamed of that, that is your call I don't have anything against that, but why do I have to suffer?? I have no problem with nudity and I am not ashamed of how nature made me. Thank you!

First, you seem very angry and are flamethrowing at people. In addition, you are making an awful lot of assumptions here. First, I'm an agnostic. I neither believe in, nor fear Hell. 

I have no fear or shame of nudity. I am merely saying that in a public venue, I prefer there not to be nude pictures comming up on my screen, not because it bothers me, but because it may bother others. It is a matter of courtesy. I stated in my post that I was grateful for the advisories. The fact that the thumbnails are nude free makes it easier for people to surf and see the kinds of content they wish to see.

If you want to see nude pictures this desperately, then maybe you would be better off looking at porn sites.