Hey all. Been working on some old world native images and trying to gather elements for the set. One of the elements i will be using a lot is a head sling native women use(d) to carry parcels, water containers, baskets or fire wood or child/Papoose. I included an image here to give better idea. Not sure what it would be called so have not been able to do a more concise search in the community. If anyone has seen something like this either alone or part of a more complete package, would love to know. I have purchased the whole native American set from DAZ for the Mil4 figures and though a nice set it is not included. Found a papoose but it is shoulder mounted.

Also, if you see any native or aboriginal props tools or accessories. Picked u many of the primitive / bone tools and weapons i could find here and elsewhere but still a lot of stuff i need so the the more the merrier I say. Thanks!

I like that ... I'm not sure which tribes used that. The woman pictured looks Cherokee, but I'm more familiar with the Plains Indians. (worked a summer in the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY). See if someone in the Blender forum might want to take the challenge ... or at ShareCG.

here is another beautiful example

The first one looks more Asian than Cherokee. I see the Cherokee every day when I wake up.

The headband quite often depends on the function it is designed for. Cradleboard headbands can depend on tribe or band. I always instructed my students to go to the Smithsonian Native American archive and the other online resources they have available. Most of the time they can tell you exactly what you are looking for if they have the time. It's also an outstanding resource in general for any Native, Meso, Mississippian, and Mound cultures.

The ones from the middle east also depend on the task on hand, but you could probably find more information down that avenue. You could also find the correct terms for the bits and bobbs that go with the slings.

Let me know what you find out, please, so I can add the info to my own research.

Respectfully, Cedar Wolf

I believe they are called Burden Slings and have been used for thousands of years by indigenous women (and men!) all over the world and on every continent. The Native American women had them of course and were different and yet the same for every tribe and many from what I have seen so far looked the same from those used by African, Asian women and old European and Middle Eastern cultures. What differentiated them was the decoration, construct materials and details (bead work etc.). But since I am not creating Historically accurate images none of that is necessary since the slings I would need will be plain and un-decorated for the most part. I had dozens of older books on Native American cultures donated to the library I worked at that were incredibly detailed with old photos and drawings of such artifacts. The library didn't want them (something I could never figure out, libraries throwing out perfectly good and informative books) so, being responsible of eliminating unwanted books deemed so by the librarians, I took them out of the trash and kept them, donating them to a local dentist I know who has an incredible affection to Native American cultural artifacts His whole office has incredible museum quality display cases with outfits a accessories beautifully displayed. Instances like this make me wish I had kept them but having thousands of books already n wall to wall shelves in my room and around other rooms in my condo there was no sense in adding more the dust itself is choking me to death as is! Amazing what is NOT available on Google. When you do find a sweet tidbit it is scanned in and posted so damn small you can see no detail to work from. I noticed that even within each time period there were different designs for the slings, one cord, three cord, webbed, from the forehead, around the shoulders or chest and some even had waist cords securing it to the body better (sort of like a backpacks which were made from the same basic designs I would imagine). Anyway what I need is an actual set of slings. One from the forehead and one which wraps around the chest over the breasts and if possible one like a knapsack with straps around the shoulders and underarms and in that order of importance! :)

Well said, Shante! Around here (NE Oklahoma) we see our Elders dying alone and all their memories and cultural possessions vanishing with them. As these Elders leave us, they leave a cultural gap that would fill much of the information sought by modelers.

I agree about scanning, however. Our local University (just retired from there) has a single, large bed scanner but it is so old that they use it more for storage than actual scanning. What needs to be done is for someone, somewhere, with far deeper pockets than we have, to pull together donations and collections, do the full scale scans with an established overlay grid, and make that data available to the public.

We can dream, can't we?

cedarwolf posted at 11:22AM Sat, 17 October 2015 - #4234078

Well said, Shante! Around here (NE Oklahoma) we see our Elders dying alone and all their memories and cultural possessions vanishing with them. As these Elders leave us, they leave a cultural gap that would fill much of the information sought by modelers.

I agree about scanning, however. Our local University (just retired from there) has a single, large bed scanner but it is so old that they use it more for storage than actual scanning. What needs to be done is for someone, somewhere, with far deeper pockets than we have, to pull together donations and collections, do the full scale scans with an established overlay grid, and make that data available to the public.

We can dream, can't we?

To scan you need to find a plethora of original works from original artifacts (properly photographed or rephotographed first) archival photos (retouched and enhanced using all the modern technology) , dated and documented illustrations originally done of historical artifacts probably no longer available etc. Unfortunately there is as you say, no organization who can bend the ears of current government pigs with their own agenda, to fund endeavors such as this to try and preserve the destroyed and undervalued heritage of the Native Americans. They didn't care about them then when they took over their lands, lives and dreams and they don't give a hootie pad now prefering to subsidize with tax payer dollars, to build bridges that serve noone, roads that go nowhere, Increase funds that preserve sweet water fishies at the cost of valuable and severely needed better managed irrigation water ways, build bigger and better government buildings when there are thousands of government owned properties in disuse all over the country, build more Barbie Doll Museums and God knows how many more projects that serve a minority of their constituants' demands that have no value whatsoever. Sad shit that in my opinion!

I'd be happy to model some of the stuff you cant find .....my rigging is rusty ...but we can sort that ;-)

Woo Hoo! Happy Happy. Well, we can certainly start withe the two samples you see here. The first would be my favorite of the vavorites though i loved both of these soooooooooo.....!!!?? :) I have a breast/chest strap (sounds weird bit it is still the same sort of purposed strap but wraps around the chest just above the breasts f a woman or man I guess and around the shoulders to hold the parcel but I think it needs an L-frameupon which to load the parcels. too I wanted to try getting but that is saved off in a reference folder and i will have to scan hundreds of images to find but I WILL FIND IT and post it here hoping beyond hope!

can work it from there as you wish...if indeed interested.

ok Heddheld.... found a bunch of styles would love to get my greedies on from you to pick from. if you want send me your mail address and i will send you a .zip file with them for you to look at. pm me here if you like.

I've include a few more examples here for all to view. Though I found a papoose it is too stiff looking so would like a softer one. held on the mother by either usual shoulder straps or any of the styles shown above. The B&W is a typical upper body breast/chest strap used for very large heavy bundles and I have found images indicating it was not only used by our Native Americans but in other world primitive cultures even today! The color book cover is very typical of all primitive cultures use of a head bundle strap even among children. must be most comfortable and easiest to adapt since so many cultures have used it and in fact continue using it today.

not forgot you ;-) blocked out some carriers ....found out the only thing I know about "red Indians" has come from b grade movies [forgive] heck I'm not even sure they did basketwork (sorta sure they did but don't KNOW ) so any pics ideas would be great looked up the cradleboard.............once I found out what it was called lol sooooooo many variations (guess some is dif tribes ? )..........I sorted "winged" it !.. as a new age daddy I went for the one that looked like protection for the baby IF "she" tripped up rofl............but I can do that softer one you shown as well as a fancy one is the mill baby ok for you its the only one I got ..........and built other thing round v4.........can use a dif doll but I stopped buying (and poser) after v4 so at the mo' I haven't even got most of the free stuff from the last 4 or so years (I got blendered) pm sent lol.........ignore funny colours they just while I'm modeling

Hey Hi. Damn bot doesn't notify me when there are responses here. Did you by any chance get the last zip file I emailed you with several alternative samples?

Yeah Native Americans did basket weave, cloth weaving and works in the obvious leather and fur. I assume that is the Milbaby3 in the Papoose!? It will work for her. I can always resize the figure as needed for whatever other figure i might be using later. The papoose sample I included here is a common soft leather and fur variation I found beautiful and more accomodating to an infant and a variation of which all natives used. The high winged back is comfortable and supportive of the child's head and neck and simply adding shoulder straps or a good head/neck strap would be great. Since I already have a hard back or cradle back papoose I would have preferred the soft one shown here but all efforts are willing and appreciatively loved and accepted friend. That first model is nice. Remember the bigger baskets were used for fire wood and wheat gathering, bison dung for cook fires etc. smaller baskets for smaller items like fruit and vegetables and corn which would need a tighter weave in a smaller basket. And yes I will be working with V4 or V2 in Poser 2014 so the base model these items will be used for are the same you are working with. I have used from time to time the P4 infant which as a lower poly figure and some really good textures which I can get away with using even in a hi res render in Poser 2014 Pro. Thanks for your help!

sorta not really........email says its there but I cant get it (no errors no nothing) have started on the "softer" one and found the poser baby{thanks for map} (lots less polys 'oray) thought I had that one but couldn't find it .. ..was searching for baby not infant DOH should have it done by Monday (my time)........but dragged off to fix a thing and ended up all night fishing ......... forgot how flipping cold it gets on that beach ;-)

heddheld posted at 12:06PM Sun, 29 November 2015 - #4235106

sorta not really........email says its there but I cant get it (no errors no nothing) have started on the "softer" one and found the poser baby{thanks for map} (lots less polys 'oray) thought I had that one but couldn't find it .. ..was searching for baby not infant DOH should have it done by Monday (my time)........but dragged off to fix a thing and ended up all night fishing ......... forgot how flipping cold it gets on that beach ;-)

Hmmm!!!?? Haven't heard from you in a while. Is this project dead or are you still working on it?

shante