I don't see anywhere to pre order on the website. Guess we have to wait for release date to order.

C'mon Tuesday!!!

Where is the price for upgrade from earlier or past versions?

I am still waiting for the early adopter offer links and pricing! Cheers

I guess the main question we all want an answer to
Just how good is SuperFly the new render engine I have not yet seen any released images done with this has anyone

I'll be posting some in the P11 preview thread and in Rokket's thread.

I did not up date to 2014 Pro un till the end of 2014.... they did have an very good offer on it

Ok ... my second day with Pauline ... so I'm still working on the subtitles of the facial rigging and the Superfly settings. But this is what I have so far. Default Superfly settings, one sunlight (infinate) and an environmental IDL with the sky. Amy hair morphed, and tweaked rigging on Pauline's face. Be kind. I know there's some wonkiness going on.

I did soften the brightness on the sclera and teeth. Otherwise I left the default settings on the figure shaders.

So....this is one of those render engines that does not tell you when it's done rendering? It lets you decide when the image is done to your satisfaction? Which means that you can't really compare render speeds with PP2014.

Well, I used a lower resolution so I could at least get this online. I'm still learning and as I recall, there are some settings to gauge the time. I did however already shut the program down for the day. Hopefully the masters can come on and give details that I cannot yet. Still learning. A new feature is a "quote" box by the library that gives details of the renders and other scene details if you want. A new feature.

Boni, How long did you let that render for?

I like the early adopter image on the first post. I wonder who rendered that one.

about 1/2 an hour ... but then I didn't tweak the settings either. I spent the afternoon changing lights, poses, expressions ... and re-rendering. This still isn't as good as it can be but I wanted to post something.

I believe early adoption sales ill start the 17th. Price of upgrade should be roughly what the previous version's upgrade is however they might run specials (an early adopter price) That last part is not confirmed.

I like a lot of the new features but I will need to see what they are doing with regards to the activation/deactivation before I decide to upgrade.

If you look on the last page of my render guru thread, seachnasaigh posted an image he did in superfly that is amazing...

ghostship2 posted at 6:09AM Fri, 13 November 2015 - #4238382

So....this is one of those render engines that does not tell you when it's done rendering? It lets you decide when the image is done to your satisfaction? Which means that you can't really compare render speeds with PP2014.

P11Pro still has the Firefly render engine, albeit with some modifications. Yous can run the Python script Render Firefly and select time and it will "ding!" when finished and leave a little popup with the elapsed time. The only comparison I did was a massive scene in low lighting, which makes it hard on the render engine. Pro2014GD took 3hr51m and P11Pro finished in 3hr31m.

As for the Superfly render engine, you can render progressively, but you also have the option to render bucket by bucket, which takes less time to reach a given level of quality. You set a total samples/bounces when rendering progressive, so it does have a defined halt condition. There is now a very handy message log in Poser, and if you open that it will tell you when the render started and the total elapsed render time.

Wandering off topic, but the grey message log icon turns orange if you make a bad material node connection; open the message log and it will tell you which prop/figure, which material zone, and exactly which connection between which two nodes! Message log is your friend.

This scene was lit by hundreds of paper lanterns and glass biolumenescent globes, plus the flame mesh in the candle. The only Poser light is a 3% point light in the candle flame. Superfly makes nice glass and nice metals, and the materials to do so are very simple.

This wasn't intended as a finished art piece; it's a render engine torture test; the Poser lights are dialed down to 3-7%, there are a myriad of light emitting mesh areas, and lots of geometry. Paul and Pauline. as Jedi, sparring the night away on Stonemason's Urban Future 2 city set.

One of the very first "compare render engines" renders.

Just another test-render of the new and included Ground/Sky

The ground plane can be morphed, and can be textured, (as I did above), and I added a second flat plane to "play" water, with a simple procedural shader setup.

Roxie explaining to Pauline how to behave in Poser :-)

I painted the ground texture in blender, but all the rest you see above is included.

OH Wait. So the Blender,Daz Studio and now Poser render engines don't have a ending ,they just render for ever ? how would you render a video ?

In P11Pro, both render engines can render progressively. Both render engines can render buckets.

When rendering progressively, the samples/bounces you entered for render settings establishes a halt condition, which, when reached, stops the render.

Hi ! What's about the IDL artifacts ?

If you mean the dark splotches in corners of rooms, that doesn't happen with Superfly. As with all PBRs, you do risk leaving a grainy appearance if you don't give it enough samples, but the characteristic Firefly IDL artifacts simply don't exist in Superfly.

So, for some shots, you may find Firefly is your best choice, and for other shots, Superfly is the way to go. Often, you can use either one and get a decent result.

"I guess the main question we all want an answer to Just how good is SuperFly the new render engine I have not yet seen any released images done"

Hi here are some Old legacy "poser figures" in the Official Blender version of cycles via a free one click conversion script I have been using. I did not do any node wrangling to get better hair results but not a bad result for a few minutes .

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the skin is scary.

this type of Blenders n DSs renders take a long time to render .longer then the older render engines.

If you all are going to use this type of renders you all will need to adjust to longer render times.

Is the Superfly render engine nvidia iray ?

RorrKonn posted at 10:01AM Sun, 15 November 2015 - #4238681

Is the Superfly render engine nvidia iray ?

Blender's Cycles.

and yet as of 2 minutes ago (12:02 Nov 15) Poser 10 is still for sale on their website?????????? Very strange

Why strange? Makes perfect sense; when Poser 11 is released, you can pay for the upgrade rather than full price.

If I paid over $100 for software on Monday and discovered that the next day the new version is released I would be furious..... I find Smith Micro's marketing methods quite contradictory to everything I learned in marketing classes when I was in college. Oh well.... we'll see Tuesday (maybe)

chaecuna posted at 1:29PM Sun, 15 November 2015 - #4238683

RorrKonn posted at 10:01AM Sun, 15 November 2015 - #4238681

Is the Superfly render engine nvidia iray ?

Blender's Cycles.

The Blender's Cycles renders look nice and there's tips to speed the renders up.

GPU is a lot faster then CPU

http://www.blenderguru.com/articles/4-easy-ways-to-speed-up-cycles/