You could always post in the Poser forum! Here's the link to it:

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?forum_id=12356

Please let us know if you have other questions.

flsurfer...

Here is the jobs and resumes forum

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?forum_id=12381

Hope also has a wonderful suggestion.

Are you looking to have stand alone figures created or, characters created from already made figures (such as V4, M4 etc?)

I'll try the links. Thanks.

Simply characters from ready made figures. More specifically Biblical era characters (with costumes) to help me illustrate my teachings. I can provide graphic samples of the artwork of these characters from imagery on the web. I do want quality but I am not picky. Of course this is a paying job.

I have sent you a sitemail

Poserworld has some Bible clothes for several Poser figures.

Khai-J-Bach posted at 5:59AM Wed, 20 April 2016 - #4261230

oh number Six

get an android device and try the site on that. if you can't find faults in 30 seconds, then oh gawd...

I profane on android

SpookieLilOne posted at 6:04AM Wed, 20 April 2016 - #4262128

As, a new staff member (Poser Coord.) a long time vendor and an even longer time member, I want to reach out to ALL members, I am usually quiet because I do not like conflict. I tend to sit in the background, and at times sadly, when seeing how there has become a divide. I want to do my part to help mend that divide. Please feel free to contact me via site mail, no matter your concern, or even if you just want a friend. I may not respond back right away, but I will respond back within 24 hours. If I cannot help, I will find someone who can.

Hi Spooky! I've been around here a while too. Mostly lurking yeah. But now I feel a very strong concern. And it's all about POSER, my program of choice. And the availability of POSER format content. This seems to be a definite concern to a lot of people. I've watched as a number of vendors I have known for years quite suddenly ditched Poser and picked up DS. Even after they professed outright hatred for the program for years, they've embraced it. I am sure DAZ found a way to coerce both vendor and User.
The tone of this SITE currently indicates a shift towards an as yet, unclear but still obvious, path. One that does not involve POSER. IS Renderosity planning to eliminate POSER related product from its lineup?

Poser users and content makers plenty around!

But it is true with the added markets it is very hard to filter Poser only out and Daz only or even hybrids out in the Renderosity Market Place.

Having said this before and I don't understand why it isn't implemented yet. :(

I really yearn to have a what's new Poser only and a Poser only search, just one button or checkbox.

It's not user-friendly any longer to have a market place without it.

Please?

@ McGrandpa I wouldn't go getting too unsettled I don't believe Renderosity are heading away from Poser at all. Some vendors may choose to make for both and broaden their horizons which is not such a bad thing. I guess it is the age old supply and demand and if the customer keeps buying the goods the vendors will keep making it. I don't think there is a shortage of Poser users out there.

Agree with Biscuits it would be good to see a better filter for the search function.

" I am sure DAZ found a way to coerce both vendor and User."

That's a bit offensive isn't it? Coerce means to persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

DAZ3D or Daz Studio didn't force or threaten anyone to do anything. Vendors and PA's make these decisions of their own free will and it usually is to switch to a more viable platform based on their own experience. Not any 3rd party pressure.

The tone of this site is clearly aimed more to Poser users than Daz Studio anyway. Poser has 5 forums here, DS has 1, 99% of tutorials here are for Poser, Most news published here is Posercentric. Look at the front page, I see numerous mentions of Poser not a single mention of DS or Daz3D. This site sells Poser. The only thing that really isn't entirely Poser focused is the content that is created by 3rd party developers in the marketplace. And I would say without the use of force or threats they are free to create for whichever platform they chose to. Whether Poser, DS or Audio Sound bites if that's what they enjoy.

I don't think anyone has been coerced.

I think the situation is a confluence of several factors.

First, the Rendo spokespeople stated about a year ago that they thought the site needed more Daz studio products, since the poll they took showed Poser to Daz users at about 50/50. This encouraged vendors to jump ship to Studio products. I was here... I watched it happen.

Second, Genesis 3 came out. For whatever reason it became the go-to figure for Studio users. The vendors saw an opportunity to port all of their existing products to the new platform, and did so. I was here... I saw it happen.

There was little existing clothing for Genesis 3, so what was offered was devoured like chum in a shark pen. This further encouraged those vendors to make more G3 items. IWH... IWIH.

Enter Poser 11.

I bought it, and was delighted with it (ok... the library sucked, but what's new? They fixed it.) I also found that the new figures didn't need a lot of new clothing, because it's now easy to convert from one figure to another. Also, as I've become more expert in the cloth room, I've drifted more and more toward clothing my characters that way.

For whatever reason, I've probably bought my last V4 products.

My friends over at Power World gave up on clothing and the like for any specific figure a couple of years ago. What they make (almost exclusively now) is props and scenery. THOSE, I NEED. About the only purchases I've made here in the last year have been props and scenery, and then ONLY if it is for Poser, not Studio.

My point? (Yes, there is one).

It's all about the money.

V4 is over. Those of us who have her have everything we can possibly need, want, or use for her. Due to long time merchant resistance in supporting other non-Daz characters, those of us using other characters are learning that Wardrobe Wizard, the fitting room, or a combination of the two along with the morph brush pretty much clothes anyone in conforming clothing, and frankly, dynamic clothing really is "one size fits all" and is getting easier and easier to use.

I think it is time to re-think the business model of making items "for Poser" or "for Studio" and start making 3D items that can be fitted and used inside the program the user likes. Spend the extra time not on morphs (that are not needed any more given the ability to transfer them from the character wearing them) and spend that time on materials that look good in the various render engines. I could even see selling those as separate items to make extra money. Ship the item with Firefly and basic Studio materials and sell the PBR shaders (I-Ray and Superfly) for a second profit stream from the same product. Put the textures in the Materials folder and stop wasting time making mat poses to apply them.

Another idea has to do with character textures. I could, for the most part, do without the dial-spun characters that come with most character textures. I know how to do that part. Spend your time making your textures compatible with both platforms, so that you can get income streams from both camps. If Texture Transformer (a separate app that does nothing to geometry, as far as I can tell) can do it, I think most of the talented character artists out there are either smart enough to do it, or could learn pretty quickly. Heck...I can texture! And I'm the well-known village idiot!)

It is short sighted to throw away half of your customers... either half. The folks over at Hivewire figured that one out first. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned from that model.

$.02

Razor42 posted at 12:10PM Fri, 22 April 2016 - #4266422

" I am sure DAZ found a way to coerce both vendor and User."

That's a bit offensive isn't it? Coerce means to persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

DAZ3D or Daz Studio didn't force or threaten anyone to do anything. Vendors and PA's make these decisions of their own free will and it usually is to switch to a more viable platform based on their own experience. Not any 3rd party pressure.

The tone of this site is clearly aimed more to Poser users than Daz Studio anyway. Poser has 5 forums here, DS has 1, 99% of tutorials here are for Poser, Most news published here is Posercentric. Look at the front page, I see numerous mentions of Poser not a single mention of DS or Daz3D. This site sells Poser. The only thing that really isn't entirely Poser focused is the content that is created by 3rd party developers in the marketplace. And I would say without the use of force or threats they are free to create for whichever platform they chose to. Whether Poser, DS or Audio Sound bites if that's what they enjoy.

Offensive doesn't matter one iota. The fact does. You left a very important means of 'coercion' out. Ultimatums. And I know that ultimatums have been issued by the DAZ PtB's constantly over the last few years. Enough so it is clear the DAZ site is NOT a "free and open" environment in any area.

THIS site exists to serve users with content in their artistic endeavors. Regardless of software used. Until recently the majority of users here have been Poser users. The Management stipulates DS users and Poser users are now roughly the same percentage. Neither is 50%. Do not forget all the other software people love using. Vue, MAX, Bryce etc.

There has been for the last TEN YEARS a push here to include more DS specific content. There has certainly been a clamoring FOR it. And it IS happening. Get used to one thing though: UNLIKE AT DAZ, nobody here will be COERCED into producing DS only versions of their content. If you produce BOTH at DAZ (Poser only has completely disappeared) then you are promised YOU WILL LOSE MONEY. I have watched as a number of vendors who formerly stated plainly they hated DS suddenly ditch Poser entirely, close their stores here, and go to DAZ site exclusively.

Well, more power to em. More power to you. More power to ME, doing whatever I like doing, however I like doing it.

@ basicwiz - Perhaps the Gen4 Figures are "over" for you. Gen4 is NOT a dead figure for a lot of us. I promise you there are still thousands of Gen3 users that refused to upgrade to Gen4. And I refused to sink another pile of money into Genesis (pickaversion). I just do not have the money. OR the desire. Genesis (n) isn't that much better than Gen4, no matter what weight mapping system is used for bones and morphs. I can tell you something else that really surprised me. The majority of 3D "Artists" that have gone to some kind of 3D Art school have acquired 3D modeling software I never could afford. Those people do not use 3rd party content. They make their own.
THIS stuff that WE play with are a tiny fragment of a very large industry with a user base numbering in the mulit-millions. Not a few thousand, which is what our little 'cottage industry' is working at. A few thousand individual people.
And don't even speak about the DAZ statement "Downloaded a million times!". I can't even count the numbers of times I've HAD to download it to keep up with their plethora of minor changes. Yes, Oh yes I started out using DS for years before I finally bought Poser 6. I do not HATE DAZ or DS. I do not HATE DS Users. Nor do I have anything against Poser. I do have somewhat against the people that are controlling Poser development and the same for DS development. Both have serious problems, neither are even going to be fixed in my lifetime.

And I know that ultimatums have been issued by the DAZ PtB's constantly over the last few years.

This is rubbish there have been no Ultimatums issued by Daz 3D to anyone. Even if that was so, why would it effect what vendors create on this site? The truth that you clearly don't want to face is that many vendors PA's are moving on to the greener grass. I think you are misunderstanding how the interaction works between the parties. If Daz 3D was involved in the practices you are suggesting why would they not just insist that all of their PA's become exclusive to Daz 3D? Why? Because their PA's have the freedom to create whatever they choose, supporting whichever platform they choose and are free to be involved with any market they choose, even multiple ones. Sounds like freedom to me.

Enough so it is clear the DAZ site is NOT a "free and open" environment in any area.

What are you talking about, the only place that is entirely "free and open" is inside your own mind. Everywhere in a modern society is governed by rules of some kind. Having rules in place to maintain order, isn't a state of denied freedom. Maybe I should ask what it is you feel you are not "free" or "open" to do on the Daz 3D website? Judging by the way you are trying to paint Daz 3D as some kind of evil overlord cracking the whip over sweating, starving content creators. I can see how you would quickly run afoul of the mods & TOS there...

Honestly, most of what your saying is unsubstantiated speculation, and somewhat biased to suit a particular version of reality(fantasy). The reason many vendors have been switching to DS, as has been stated by the very same vendors numerous times, financial. If the market for Poser products was still purchasing with strength, its market base would be hard to ignore for vendors or PA's and there would be no reason to "switch to DS". On the other hand to continue producing product for a market where returns don't meet the work involved or returns are higher elsewhere, is the niche of hobbyist and enthusiasts to pursue. It doesn't require "coercion" nor "ultimatums" for most people to realise when they need to change or be left behind, especially if their livelihood depends on it. And despite what you say Daz 3D are currently upping support for Poser products and it will ultimately be up to the Poser market whether this push succeeds or fails and if it will continue into the future. As it is here and in most markets.

McGrandpa posted at 3:55AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266617

Razor42 posted at 12:10PM Fri, 22 April 2016 - #4266422

" I am sure DAZ found a way to coerce both vendor and User."

That's a bit offensive isn't it? Coerce means to persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.

DAZ3D or Daz Studio didn't force or threaten anyone to do anything. Vendors and PA's make these decisions of their own free will and it usually is to switch to a more viable platform based on their own experience. Not any 3rd party pressure.

The tone of this site is clearly aimed more to Poser users than Daz Studio anyway. Poser has 5 forums here, DS has 1, 99% of tutorials here are for Poser, Most news published here is Posercentric. Look at the front page, I see numerous mentions of Poser not a single mention of DS or Daz3D. This site sells Poser. The only thing that really isn't entirely Poser focused is the content that is created by 3rd party developers in the marketplace. And I would say without the use of force or threats they are free to create for whichever platform they chose to. Whether Poser, DS or Audio Sound bites if that's what they enjoy.

Offensive doesn't matter one iota. The fact does. You left a very important means of 'coercion' out. Ultimatums. And I know that ultimatums have been issued by the DAZ PtB's constantly over the last few years. Enough so it is clear the DAZ site is NOT a "free and open" environment in any area.

THIS site exists to serve users with content in their artistic endeavors. Regardless of software used. Until recently the majority of users here have been Poser users. The Management stipulates DS users and Poser users are now roughly the same percentage. Neither is 50%. Do not forget all the other software people love using. Vue, MAX, Bryce etc.

There has been for the last TEN YEARS a push here to include more DS specific content. There has certainly been a clamoring FOR it. And it IS happening. Get used to one thing though: UNLIKE AT DAZ, nobody here will be COERCED into producing DS only versions of their content. If you produce BOTH at DAZ (Poser only has completely disappeared) then you are promised YOU WILL LOSE MONEY. I have watched as a number of vendors who formerly stated plainly they hated DS suddenly ditch Poser entirely, close their stores here, and go to DAZ site exclusively.

Well, more power to em. More power to you. More power to ME, doing whatever I like doing, however I like doing it.

I do not think that Daz needs to coerce anyone because it is a good store with quality products. I started out with DS years ago when it just started, I went over to use Poser for a few years but when back to DS full time because of Genesis and the auto fit function among others. Vendors are not making products because they want to give them away and make you happy. They love what they do but they also want to make money. With so many people now using DS * and I know of people who wished they had made the switch from Poser to DS much earlier * there is high demand for Genesis products. I say Genesis meaning Genesis / G2F/G2M/G3F/G3M..

Please do not be sore that DS gets the attention that Poser once held. Sadly Poser is not the way forward anymore.

But you know, everyone should use the program that they love, Poser, DS, Carrara.. as long as you are happy But PLEASE do not put blame and guilt on the Vendors that either make products for both Poser and DS or moved on to DS and Daz3d. Times change and if you want to make money you go where you can make money.

Vendors put hours and hours of work in their products and they deserve to be in the store that they want to be and make money. Why should they stay and make products for something they do not have the passion for anymore?

There will still be plenty of characters / clothes and props for V4.2 and Michale 4... but as I said, people move on and that is their right and they sure do not deserve a post like yours here.

McGrandpa posted at 4:10AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266618

@ basicwiz - Perhaps the Gen4 Figures are "over" for you. Gen4 is NOT a dead figure for a lot of us. I promise you there are still thousands of Gen3 users that refused to upgrade to Gen4. And I refused to sink another pile of money into Genesis (pickaversion). I just do not have the money. OR the desire. Genesis (n) isn't that much better than Gen4, no matter what weight mapping system is used for bones and morphs. I can tell you something else that really surprised me. The majority of 3D "Artists" that have gone to some kind of 3D Art school have acquired 3D modeling software I never could afford. Those people do not use 3rd party content. They make their own.
THIS stuff that WE play with are a tiny fragment of a very large industry with a user base numbering in the mulit-millions. Not a few thousand, which is what our little 'cottage industry' is working at. A few thousand individual people.
And don't even speak about the DAZ statement "Downloaded a million times!". I can't even count the numbers of times I've HAD to download it to keep up with their plethora of minor changes. Yes, Oh yes I started out using DS for years before I finally bought Poser 6. I do not HATE DAZ or DS. I do not HATE DS Users. Nor do I have anything against Poser. I do have somewhat against the people that are controlling Poser development and the same for DS development. Both have serious problems, neither are even going to be fixed in my lifetime.

You could have fooled me with your moaning and whining about DS and Dazed in your earlier posts.

Vendors will go to where they can make the most money. It really IS just that simple. It's how business works and how it has worked for all these generations - supply and demand. Companies come and companies go. It's just the way things are, no matter if we like it or not. No one is trying to screw anyone else - at least not consciously. It is the nature of business for one company to try and outcompete another, but that's pretty much always been a good thing. And there's not much we can do about it. If you feel Poser is floundering, buy more Poser stuff. That's really the only way to fix it.

Laurie

I had to go back and read the first post to see what this thread was about.

Unsurprisingly it's not about Poser vs DAZ, but a few people shamefully hijacked the thread to turn it into one. I'm going to throw this out there for those with such strong yet erroneous views about this subject.

It it bothers you so bad to the point that it makes your posts highly irrational.... Quit. Life is way too short for you worry about some polygons in the manner that you do as it's obvious you are no longer enjoying your hobby, otherwise you would find ways to make it work for you... Because there is always ways to get what you want if you put your mind to it.

The original post was about the relationship between Rendo management and a few of their customers. Let us get back to that instead of beating the bone dust of this horse. Really I don't have an issue with them as I treat the store like a store..... I come in and if I see something i like, I buy and leave, keeps the stress down. I have products and they have a few coins to keep the store going. More people probably follow my lead a lot of these posts have been more entitled than reasonable.

It never ceases to amaze me that we continue to judge if a piece of software is floundering or not based upon how much money vendors can make from it. I do no use DS but I don't hate it or the way the market has gone. You can't blame the vendors for a perceived floundering of Poser because a lot of Poser users moved to Genesis, which works better in DS, that is the way it was designed. That included the Posers users who just wanted the latest and greatest and those who saw real benefit in Genesis, the vendors just followed the buyers.

Poser has always concentrated on the program and not so much the content, the inclusion of the Wardrobe Wizard and then the fitting room decreased the reliance on third Party content. I still use Poser, I still buy for Poser but I use Dawn and mainly buy dynamic clothing that will work on Dawn and V4 and any other figure really. I have no need to buy specific V4 clothing anymore.

To me the success of a piece of software is more based around if it does what I want it to do and do I enjoy using it. I don't really base it's success on how much vendors can make out of me.

hornet3d posted at 3:01AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266683

It never ceases to amaze me that we continue to judge if a piece of software is floundering or not based upon how much money vendors can make from it. I do no use DS but I don't hate it or the way the market has gone. You can't blame the vendors for a perceived floundering of Poser because a lot of Poser users moved to Genesis, which works better in DS, that is the way it was designed. That included the Posers users who just wanted the latest and greatest and those who saw real benefit in Genesis, the vendors just followed the buyers.

Poser has always concentrated on the program and not so much the content, the inclusion of the Wardrobe Wizard and then the fitting room decreased the reliance on third Party content. I still use Poser, I still buy for Poser but I use Dawn and mainly buy dynamic clothing that will work on Dawn and V4 and any other figure really. I have no need to buy specific V4 clothing anymore.

To me the success of a piece of software is more based around if it does what I want it to do and do I enjoy using it. I don't really base it's success on how much vendors can make out of me.

Actually the misunderstanding comes from mistaking the market for the software. The software can still sell, but the content market based on it could dry up. If you make, modify or use things to work in that software it's not going to affect you as much. But the content is only going to do as much as the underlying software will allow.

But still, this has absolutely nothing with the topic at hand, time to let this go.

Male_M3dia posted at 8:38PM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266684

hornet3d posted at 3:01AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266683

It never ceases to amaze me that we continue to judge if a piece of software is floundering or not based upon how much money vendors can make from it. I do no use DS but I don't hate it or the way the market has gone. You can't blame the vendors for a perceived floundering of Poser because a lot of Poser users moved to Genesis, which works better in DS, that is the way it was designed. That included the Posers users who just wanted the latest and greatest and those who saw real benefit in Genesis, the vendors just followed the buyers.

Poser has always concentrated on the program and not so much the content, the inclusion of the Wardrobe Wizard and then the fitting room decreased the reliance on third Party content. I still use Poser, I still buy for Poser but I use Dawn and mainly buy dynamic clothing that will work on Dawn and V4 and any other figure really. I have no need to buy specific V4 clothing anymore.

To me the success of a piece of software is more based around if it does what I want it to do and do I enjoy using it. I don't really base it's success on how much vendors can make out of me.

Actually the misunderstanding comes from mistaking the market for the software. The software can still sell, but the content market based on it could dry up. If you make, modify or use things to work in that software it's not going to affect you as much. But the content is only going to do as much as the underlying software will allow.

But still, this has absolutely nothing with the topic at hand, time to let this go.

Not really much for me to let go of, I don't care much, I enjoy my 3D art when I have time and I try to see what others are doing, anything else in the 3d world does little to excite me.

In your other post your referred to treating the store like a store, come in buy and leave, well it may work like that for you but for many it is a very difficult store to work with, too many adverts, search functions that are very poor compared with other stores. Further than that, this place used to have a thriving community and that is all but dead which is another reason for the change in relationship.

If it works for you, great, but clearly this thread and many others, are about the changing relationship between Rendo and it customers. Yes the thread has drifted but part of that is because some of the replies discussed where the customers have drifted to and why. Apart from that I think it is the norm for all threads to return to the perceived Daz - Poser war, well at least at Rendo it is.

Hugs Pip

hornet3d posted at 1:39PM Sun, 24 April 2016 - #4266732

Male_M3dia posted at 8:38PM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266684

hornet3d posted at 3:01AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266683

It never ceases to amaze me that we continue to judge if a piece of software is floundering or not based upon how much money vendors can make from it. I do no use DS but I don't hate it or the way the market has gone. You can't blame the vendors for a perceived floundering of Poser because a lot of Poser users moved to Genesis, which works better in DS, that is the way it was designed. That included the Posers users who just wanted the latest and greatest and those who saw real benefit in Genesis, the vendors just followed the buyers.

Poser has always concentrated on the program and not so much the content, the inclusion of the Wardrobe Wizard and then the fitting room decreased the reliance on third Party content. I still use Poser, I still buy for Poser but I use Dawn and mainly buy dynamic clothing that will work on Dawn and V4 and any other figure really. I have no need to buy specific V4 clothing anymore.

To me the success of a piece of software is more based around if it does what I want it to do and do I enjoy using it. I don't really base it's success on how much vendors can make out of me.

Actually the misunderstanding comes from mistaking the market for the software. The software can still sell, but the content market based on it could dry up. If you make, modify or use things to work in that software it's not going to affect you as much. But the content is only going to do as much as the underlying software will allow.

But still, this has absolutely nothing with the topic at hand, time to let this go.

Not really much for me to let go of, I don't care much, I enjoy my 3D art when I have time and I try to see what others are doing, anything else in the 3d world does little to excite me.

In your other post your referred to treating the store like a store, come in buy and leave, well it may work like that for you but for many it is a very difficult store to work with, too many adverts, search functions that are very poor compared with other stores. Further than that, this place used to have a thriving community and that is all but dead which is another reason for the change in relationship.

If it works for you, great, but clearly this thread and many others, are about the changing relationship between Rendo and it customers. Yes the thread has drifted but part of that is because some of the replies discussed where the customers have drifted to and why. Apart from that I think it is the norm for all threads to return to the perceived Daz - Poser war, well at least at Rendo it is.

Well said.