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For anyone not yet using this software, I URGE you to get it. It is indispensible in helping to manage your Poser Collections... Now, if we can get Yarp to include VOB files (since 3D Explorer obviously doesn't and likely won't ever) it would make Poser Explorer even a better tool for the Poser - Vue Marriage... ("Pose d'Esprit Explorer"?) Make no mistake folks, there could be "more" to this Poser - Vue thing in the future than we realize...

One quibble: "Pose d'Esprit"? Agh....check your French! I haven't seen many "poses d'esprit" come out of Poser! LOL! I haven't tried the program. I don't have a very extensive PZ3 collection.

Vue D'esprit, LightWave, 3DSMax,... I'm thinking about P3dO extensions. I don't know enough about Vue d'Esprit to do the same as with Poser but what is planned in the next future (P3dO 1.4.4) is to add custom file formats. This way you'll be able to manage Vue files (icon view only) with P3dO. Now, viewing pictures of View files within P3dO requires much more work. As I said in a previous thread was that I intended to buy the 3D Exploration library (700$) and to port it in P3dO to save me time and focus on P3dO features. But there are 2 drawbacks - Time and money. Time - I nearly found a new job were I'll be able to work 2 days a week for my projects. In such a case P3dO would burst out... Money - I could find the money but then I would need to make pay P3dO (just for the 3d Exploration library part, P3dO is not intended to be a shareware). But the state here in France is so greedy and the P3dO project so tiny I wouldn't earn enough money to get back my money. I'm thinking about all that but at the moment there's enough things to do and I consider P3dO is still a baby ;))

Varian, which program are you talking about ? If about P3dO, then P3dO not only deals with .PZ3 but every kind of Poser stuff. Even with the standard P4 library you've got enough to use P3dO.

Okay, sorry, I was confused. I thought I had checked out this program before and it only viewed PZ3 files, to show you what's inside the PZ3. Now that I've seen the (lengthy!) list of file formats this P3dO can view, I'm downloading to give it a try. I've got a bunch of nearly every type listed. It sure isn't just PZ3s! :) Laurent, one thing I can tell you about Vue d'Esprit, it might help, I don't know. There are two main types of files. Fox mentioned the VOB type. VOB is the object format. The other type is VUE, which is the scene file. (VUE is sort of like "PZ3" while VOB is sort of like "PP2".) Both VUE and VOB have preview images made when saved. So maybe it would be just a matter of being able to view the preview image, small thumbnail types stored with the file. Vue d'Esprit has its own file browser that displays the preview thumbnails. If you can still find a March copy of Computer Arts or an April issue of 3D World magazine, they each have a fully-functional version 3 copy of Vue d'Esprit. Then you could see what I mean. Download done! I hope to get some time tomorrow to see how your program works! :)

This sounds tooooooo cool. It's funny, but I had silently wished for such a thing, because back when I was using Poser alot, I really appreciated having P3dO. Hello, Yarp, and thanks for considering us!

Yes, please excuse my bad French. I was just trying to link the ideas since Vue d'Esprit is the FIRST software in Poser History to actually read in complete Poser 4 scene files. (I've heard a particular version of Ray Dream once did it with Poser 2 or 3, but that doesn't really count as it was so obscure barely anyone remembers it. I own versions of RD and never had one that could do it...) Anyway, since Vue and Poser are going to have a much closer association and I, like a number of other people here at Renderosity, have huge Poser Collections, I think it would be especially great to have Yarp's Poser Explorer (which I think is a better name than P3dO) be able to manage some Vue files as well... Vue's own browser is not that efficient at really managing all the VOB files I have now, plus, I think a number of Poser model creators are going to start releasing their models in VOB format as Vue's impact on Poser expands. This has already begun to happen in fact. You can't load everything in Vue to manage it. It would be MUCH PREFERABLE to have a Poser-Vue Explorer program that offers FAVORITE LINKS the way Yarp's program does. Plus, you would have larger size preview options and other cool things that P3DO now has in its latest release... Frankly, I would like to see Poser-Vue Explorer also catalog my tons of ATM Atmopshere Files, and my tons of Material files. Being able to see LARGE PREVIEWS and link them different projects via favorites links, etc.,would be extremely useful. I would guess that Vue's management would cooperate with Yarp on this and make it a truely useful program for Poser - Vue projects... It's important to be thinking ahead...

Just one thing, and I agree with everyone that an Explorer like program for Vue files would be great, but there is a big difference between Poser files and Vue files; Poser files are written in readable text format, where as Vue files use all that "goble-de-gook" programing language. I would imagine it would need a very expensive SDK to work the coding out, but as we know e-on like to keep their secrets all to themselves. Cheers

Cheers, there was no doc about .RSR and I did it. You know it's just a matter of time when someone wants to decode something but the point is how much time should I spent on Vue. Well, I didn't knew Vue was so close from Poser, so 1.4.3 will at least include Vue file management (.VOB and .VUE) then I'll try to get a copy of Vue to see what I can do with this. Yarp

If you can work it out Yarp, that would be great :oD You can be sure of great interest from the Vue community if you could come up with something. Cheers

Hi Yarp, I WISH the folks at Vue d'Esprit would cooperate with you on this. I think this would be HIGHLY BENEFICIAL to have a Poser-Vue Explorer Model-Scene Collections utility... I for one am going to email Vue about this to see what can be done... FOX

There something I forgot to say about decoding .RSR, I was helped by the Poser community. Someone on Mac did the study for me, then MartinC gave me some valuable advice too, I made the rest. Now I must say that Curious made a great step forward with PPP because they published the new file formats compression scheme ;)) A big thank to curious. BTW What about Bryce ?

Well, here's what I'll do about Vue. 1/ I'll get a demo version (3.1 is 10 Mo, I can handle this one quiet night 2/ I'll study all this and give you my opinion in a few weeks - don't hesitate to mail me if you find time too long ;)) 3/ I want to see this Vue Explorer to pick ideas

Fox, a good idea. I would have to rethink P3dO's name in V3dO ;))

Hi Yarp, GREAT! I was just ready to post a link to the Vue 3 Demo version, and you have already found it. It should give you everything you need to see what the program does and the file formats... The Vue browser really isn't enough in my opinion to make good project judgements. The Bryce Browser is even worse. I don't blame Vue or Bryce- frankly for all the YEARS that Photoshop has been around they have NEVER implimented a good image file browser... Yarp, I think there is still tons of useful things you can have your browser do, and you can charge a small user registration fee too, like how 3D Explorer got started. You could get 3DExplorer for free in the beginning, but they moved to a small registration fee, and this was a great investment because when Right Hemisphere bought 3DExplorer all the registered users got the $100 "Pro" version without additional charge... First you need to make a Vue Browser that most people feel they really NEED, and much of what you have done already is really good. I think most people still don't understand or know enough about your software. I think "Vue Explorer" or "Poser-Vue Explorer" is a better name for marketing purposes, as long as you don't have any copy-right problems. Maybe you could get permission to use these names?... I think once VUE 4 comes out, it will more closely link Poser and Vue together as a production package, and a Poser-Vue Explorer software will become HIGHLY USEFUL...

Actually what's wrong with "Pose d'Esprit Explorer"? Is Pose d'Esprit bad French?...

"poses of spirit" or "spirit poses"? What's it mean? You see? "Vue d'Pose" would make more sense, although I'm not sure "pose" would translate well. Anyway, I need to make a correction. Above, I said: If you can still find a March copy of Computer Arts or an April issue of 3D World magazine, they each have a fully-functional version 3 copy of Vue d'Esprit. That, of course, should say version 2 which is offered free, not 3. :)

Varian, "Spirit" could be the good trick. Fox, "Pose d'Esprit" is good french but as you said there could be copyrights problem. The name P3dO has 2 reasons: - Avoid copyrights - Ease find on the internet Now that P3dO begins to be found on the net I will not change it. Pose Esprit or Spirit something will just be a display name like "Poser Explorer" is for P3dO. About paying a small fee for P3dO. I don't intend to make pay P3dO but I will with the plugins. If I could earn enough money to solely work on 3D projects it would be great.

Yarp, do you think the Vue folks, or the German group that owns Curious Labs would be interested in helping you? It seems like it would be in their interest to encourage you... Curious Labs President Steve Cooper said- "The Poser team at Curious Labs is excited that Vue 4 will allow immediate inclusion of Poser scenes. We are sure the Poser community will be excited about how well Poser and Vue work together to create complex, naturalistic scenes with humans, animals, vegetation and atmospheric phenomena." It seems to me a Poser-Vue Explorer software fits into the same area of creating "excitement" about software working more closely together. Creating good software utilities around Poser and Vue benefits everyone, makes the user base happier and helps sell more software...

Yep Fox, that's also my opinion. P3dO is a good helper for Poser. Now I don't know if Curious or the Vue team would be interested to help. I suppose, I should ask them instead of talking here but as I said above I still consider P3dO a baby - too many bugs, not enough feature - I want to improve it a little before the next step. This Fall P3dO should have all the necessary stuff : The zip through browser, Poser Installer, some 3D viewing, some other secret projects (he he he) and why not some Vue stuff too. Then we'll see...