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Subject: hair for now, gone tomorrow


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 20 November 2020 at 7:36 PM ยท edited Sun, 08 December 2024 at 8:47 AM

I've been looking at the Anisotropic node along with anisotropy in the Pricipled BSDF node and the new hair node. The hair node is borked as of right now. Until it gets fixed I can't start using it and figuring it out. What I did find out is that anisotropy works if you plug in a tangent node into the tangent port on ABSDF and PBSDF. I think the tangent node is borked right now as well because it doesn't have any adustability that seems to have any effect on the anisotropic nodes output. So here is my latest workaround for renders till we can make something better. have a look. hair shader 11-20-20.jpg

Hair112020.jpg

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


hborre ( ) posted Fri, 20 November 2020 at 9:37 PM

IIRC, that tangent node may need to be plugged into the height connector of a Bump Node, at least, according to a tutorial on Blender PrincipleBDSF. I did a quick jot down at the time but the notation doesn't make complete sense. I will need to review again to completely understand the rationale behind it.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 20 November 2020 at 10:28 PM

I looked up a tute on it and the tangent node can be plugged into the tangent port. The tangent node should give you a choice of radial direction or direction based on the UV map. This is broken in P12 right now. Also ABSDF is suppose to work with a default radial projection but it does not at this time.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


hborre ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 6:39 AM ยท edited Sat, 21 November 2020 at 6:40 AM

I understand. Until they fix it we might as well stay away from it. Have you tried BB's Hair Shader from EZSkin3 in Superfly rendering? BTW, I love the results so far.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 8:23 AM

Yes, I've used BB's hair shader. It looks great but renders slow compared to my little shader.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


adp001 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 8:51 AM

@ghostship2 Impressiv!




ghostship2 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 8:59 AM

trying my shader out with a different hair and a dark color and different lights not giving good results. More investigation needed.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


adp001 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 9:11 AM

I made a computed bumpmap some time ago. Nice to merge with an existing transmap and as a bumpmap:

(Size: 4000x4000, scale it in the material-room to your needs) bumpmap.png




adp001 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 9:12 AM ยท edited Sat, 21 November 2020 at 9:13 AM

And a variation:bumpmap2.png




ghostship2 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 9:30 AM

I use a bump map that is derived from the texture that is used. That keeps the hair looking crisper than a bump that does not match the hair texture. Some maps go left to right, some maps go up and down, some maps have both mixed on the same UV and you HAVE to have the bump oriented with the hair. You will see the problem once you have mismatched bump maps.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


adp001 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 1:17 PM

You are right. But I have some hair (specially older ones) where I mixed the original transmap/bumpmap successfully with one of the above.




ghostship2 ( ) posted Sat, 21 November 2020 at 6:06 PM

This was an exercise in futility. For right now just use my original workaround. Poser 12 Hair Shader.jpg

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ghostship2 ( ) posted Mon, 30 November 2020 at 9:39 PM

After more experimentation I found that the issue with Anisotropic BSDF and anisotropy in PBSDF is that the default radial tangent is not working. The work around is to plug a tangent node into the ABSDF and change a few other connections and settings. This is what I got. hair tangent.jpg

Goldy Hair.jpg

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


adp001 ( ) posted Wed, 02 December 2020 at 1:34 AM

@ghostship2: Your renders are great!

Today I watched the last livestream from blender HQ. It 's about hair. Nearly an hour. Maybe you like to watch it too: https://youtu.be/oqjKMd9CYI4?list=PLa1F2ddGya_87HJ72v_IgKUTNLIXSMfvB




ghostship2 ( ) posted Wed, 02 December 2020 at 11:08 PM

@adp001 that was interesting! Some nice features that would be cool in Poser.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


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