I have purchased Poser 13 and have installed it set up the UI in the same manner as I had set in Poser 12.  I then pointed Poser 13 at my Dawn and separate Dawn Pose runtime folders and the show up but the contents are not listed.  They are the same folders I used with Poser 12 but there is nothing there for me to use.  What the heck am I doing wrong.

I know have the Dawn runtime loaded but Dawn SE is added to the scene with not textures

Have you tried running the 'Link previous runtimes' script under Scripts>Utility?

OK so I am having a senile moment, yes the poses are there I just need to look under the Poses Tab and not the Characters tab.

I still have the issue with Dawn though, no textures loaded yet it loads correctly with Poser 12

Customize your Library as below:

The 'Poser13' version of Dawn has Cycles based shaders. They may turn up grey in preview if you have enabled hardware shading in the preview render settings.

If you turn that off you get Dawn shaded. It is an OpenGL thing.

Cycles shaders always showed up gray in P12 as well.

hborre posted at 2:06 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460027

Have you tried running the 'Link previous runtimes' script under Scripts>Utility?

Thanks that worked for linking the runtimes and saved me so much trouble.  Now down to the texture issue, sorry but another senile moment.  If you select load from the launch pad you get just that and empty scene so no lights either.

Sorry I guess I just became excited with my new toy.

Many thanks for your help.

hborre posted at 2:11 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460033

Customize your Library as below:

Thanks - next on the list.

Rhia474 posted at 2:16 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460037

Cycles shaders always showed up gray in P12 as well.

Maybe this will work for you too: Create a PoserSurface for Filrefly and attach the texture used for Cycles as a diffuse to the PoserSurface (don't forget to switch the checkbox "Firefly Root" on). Leave the Cycles root untouched. Then the preview will work as well.

Well, the P13 Miki 4 textures are a complete disaster.  The nodes need to be redone to show up correctly in preview.

I just confirmed the firefly preview. My apologies, I will fix them to use PoserSurface node on the FireFly side. That's what was done with the rest, not sure what happened there.

The SuperFly side uses Cycles root and Principled BSDF. Those will preview gray, but they render beautifully.

Good to know.  However, if you copy the nodes from the body and replace them in the arms and legs then the textures appear in the preview without the PoserSurface node being present.  I am very suspicious about that PhysicalSurface node.  If it is meant to override the PoserSurface node, it may be doing it intermittently.

Solved it!  If you introduce the PoserSurface node to the Material Zones, activate the Firefly Root then go back and reactivate the Firefly Root on the PhysicalSurface, you will get the PhysicalSurface node to preview correctly.  At that point, delete the PoserSurface.  Do that for all the Material Zones and save the Material Collection.

fyi - Miki4 has been updated to address some of  these issues.  Just re-install.

The responsiveness to reported issues here is very encouraging.  I will repriotize some expenses to get P13 this weekend or early next week and see how it performs after these kinks have been addressed.

hborre posted at 10:56 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460161

Solved it!  If you introduce the PoserSurface node to the Material Zones, activate the Firefly Root then go back and reactivate the Firefly Root on the PhysicalSurface, you will get the PhysicalSurface node to preview correctly.  At that point, delete the PoserSurface.  Do that for all the Material Zones and save the Material Collection.

The P13 materials should use the PoserSurface node for FireFly, and the Cycles/PrincipledBSDF for SuperFly. Miki 4 mats didn't follow that rule and have been changed to be the same as the others. Not exactly sure what happened there, but Miki4 shouldn't use the Physical Surface root at all anymore (except for the lasthes, I believe)

DCArt posted at 10:31 AM Fri, 31 March 2023 - #4460191

hborre posted at 10:56 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460161

Solved it!  If you introduce the PoserSurface node to the Material Zones, activate the Firefly Root then go back and reactivate the Firefly Root on the PhysicalSurface, you will get the PhysicalSurface node to preview correctly.  At that point, delete the PoserSurface.  Do that for all the Material Zones and save the Material Collection.

The P13 materials should use the PoserSurface node for FireFly, and the Cycles/PrincipledBSDF for SuperFly. Miki 4 mats didn't follow that rule and have been changed to be the same as the others. Not exactly sure what happened there, but Miki4 shouldn't use the Physical Surface root at all anymore (except for the lasthes, I believe)

That's very true but I discovered last night that the PhysicalSurface node renders agree with both Firefly and Superfly, a slight difference between PhysicalSurface and Cycles renders.  Of course, this is subject to further investigation and testing but there appears to be a simplified way to construct Material Shaders for Firefly.

And Tim, thanks for the quick correction.