In case anyone cares this is not the policy of any other vendor or of the store that I know of. As far as HandspanStudios is concerned you do not have to mention our name anywhere in your renders, nor do I keep track of a list of buyers etc. If I give away or sell an item it is with the understanding that you do not owe me any credits, anything of that sort is a courtesy we appreciate but would never demand. My readme says that my items are ok for private or commercial use as long as you don't give away or sell the model/texture. I think that is the norm with store items, free stuff sometimes has additional restrictions. If a vendor wanted to place extreme restrictions on an item it would be necessary to make the buyer aware on the sales page or the readme at the very least.

Well that all reduced the choices for the texture im gonna buy!

Kurgen: Me, I'm going for Handspan Studios from now on if I'm going to buy a texture. Ingrid is every bit as talented as StefyZZ, and she sounds a hell of a lot more reasonable.

Bloody hell! I've had to change my alias once also! I was forced to it by someone who cracked a back door to my computer and stole my identity and did nasty things with it in some forums and stuff. I don't know which characters I bought before or after that happened. Ahhhhh...... Does this mean if I post a image showing something I purchased here then the same thing could happen to me?

I should also add that the problems the hacker created with my old alias made it so that I could never safely use that old alias again. It could be a danger to my self to even risk giving it out. :(

fauve, I have to agree with you there:) I've bought several Handspan Studio textures/characters and I'm really thrilled with them. They look great with no fussing. Ingrid is a very talented lady. Claire

Hey, fauve. I make textures, too. :-) Seriously, this sounds like it's totally getting out of hand. I hope everyone understands that this is not the policy of most vendors at Renderosity and it's certainly not the policy of ANY vendors at Renderotica or GRC. In fact, I would not allow items in my stores that carried restrictions like that. I truly don't understand this feeling that a buyer of a product is obligated to give credit in posted images. If you are going to sell your products, be professional about it. You are (or should be) selling them without restrictions on rendered images. That's one of the main reasons for buying an item. Heya, Blackhearted. Don't know if you have my morph package or not, but there are some morphs in it that address the nostril thing you're speaking of. Nice face, BTW. Diane

Don't I know it, Diane.... :-> I still remember when you burst on the scene and how in awe we all were of your "Karen" texture. She had freckles, moles, delicate blue veins in her breasts, everything. I adapted her for Joy, for Eve, for Natalia, for Vicky... I still use both versions of Karen today. The first major 3d illustration work I made was inspired by and used the "Karen" texture, and any kudos and praise I got for it really go to you. Then I burned my hand and did nothing for a year or so until the skin grafts took hold. And then I was sort of creative-blocked on 3D illustration until I met the beautiful DinaV... :-> Believe me, I know how much I have to thank you for.

I have been more or less "away" from this place for some time, just passing through here and there to check for needful things. I lost my stomach for this place some time ago, no distinct reason really. But this, this really crystalizes it. The very idea that some mad texturer is running about making lists and checking them twice is pure insanity. Clearly, this person is not cut out for saleable items, regardless of the quality. She demonstrates a highly unrealistic understanding of customer relations, the warez epidemic and other issues. Her status as a store vendor should be revoked, her items removed and she should be sternly warned that any further accusations against members honor will result in a total banning. I sense that none of this will come to pass, and that she will be coddled and protected. THAT is the precise problem with this site as of late. I believe the system does not work. I have many, many solid ideas for several different ways that this site and modellers could continue to make money, foster good will and take the sting out of the Warez problem. Like any other broken system, I suspect that the folks running it will scramble double-time to continue to support the failing, crumbling system and will not seek out new ideas. People hate to think outside of the box, don't they? Shame! Shame on people who say any of the following: "Oh, it's her bad english" - Bullocks, her English is fine. She had little to no problem expressing in English that she is a jerk. "You should've just told her what she wanted" - Rubbish. You let one person hassle you and the next thing you know, all the vendors will gather round and dissect every 500 images posted per day and sending countless accusitory IM's to each artist that doesn't "Check out" It is that sort of thinking that allows dictatorships to arise. (Sidenote: Current state of America?) And a final grim statement about Warez: If you're planning on vending items, you need to know that your item(s) will be warezed. They might not be, but you should go ahead and assume they will be. If you don't have the heart to see that happen, don't sell. As the system stands, warez flourish and it's beyond all real control, including list-keeping and checking of each gallery image posted. (That's just insane). If you think you can stomach seeing your items warezed, then go ahead and figure that in to your bottom line. Put your stuff in the store and completely detach yourself from expectations. When and if you get a check for items purchased, be happy and thank your Lord, Lordess, the Force or whatever else you count on for providence and rest assured that when all is said and done, people get what they deserve. -WTB

Attention! This thread is causing a very hazzardous situation. It is now so large that the sheer gravity of it in cyber space is now affecting the real world. Its shifting the delicate balance of the north american continent, and as a result california is now in danger of sliding off into the ocean...... ML

fauve, I wondered why I hadn't seen you around for so long. Sorry to hear about your hand, but it looks like you are back in full force and doing some beautiful work! You know, Karen is still one of my favorite textures. That one just seemed to come together. But I wasn't really looking for kudos. Just really wanted you not to feel like you had to stop using things from the online stores, because most of the artists selling their work don't have those kinds of restrictions. ML, dontcha know that California is ALWAYS in danger of sliding off into the ocean?

Sigh I'm getting worried here. I'm a vendor, too, and it really upsets me to see people say that they aren't very likely to purchase anything from the MarketPlace after this. I can understand the frustration and anger, but please don't take it out on us other vendors, who don't put such ridiculous restrictions on our items and who treat their customers with respect. I'm with Ingrid/HandspanStudios. If you buy any of my items you can do anything you want with it (as long as you don't give it away or sell it) and I really don't see why you should give me credit - heck, you paid for it, that should make me happy enough :) I do have a "list" too, with the usernames of people who bought my stuff... but I'm not very likely to remember those names and I'm surely not going around the gallery checking to see if someone who's not "in my list" has used my stuff. Heh, I've got better things to do on my freetime :-) Warez is a problem... but frankly, if people were pirating my stuff.. well, I guess I would be somewhat upset but I would also be kinda flattered that someone thought my stuff was good enough. But I definitely wouldn't go on a witch hunt... geez...

Wow....the things I miss....you folks hiding these on me or what?? Now where on God's green Earth did this thread come from.... Took me a whole half hour to read over all these goodies...or baddies...take a preference. I find this totally and undeniably rediculous and I have my reasons, but I will have no comment at this time...I refuse to comment and no one can make me comment if I don't want to....enough said?....

Add me to the list with Ingrid, Eowyn and others.. I don't add restrictions, not even on my free stuff. One of my freebies recently featured in a picture that won a prize at DAZ.. No credit but hey I was pleased to see that it had been put to good use and that someone benefited from it.. Had a big grin from ear to ear did I.. Yes my stuff is warezed.. But that won't stop me from treating my customers with the respect they deserve... That won't stop me from making my customer exclusives.. Psst working on one now :) All I can add is to ask please do not lump all vendors into the same barrel.. We as you are, are individuals.

People... it appears that IronBear has things in hand, and also it appears that at least he is on the side of the consumer, and not the unreasonable demands of a certain vendor. Meanwhile, I am forging ahead by working on all sorts of random stuff, just to see if I can do it, and I hope eveyone takes a deep breath, and gets back into the simple -FUN- of just making pretty pictures again. 8-D SMILE! That's what MallenLane has been trying to get us all to do! PS: I'd probably purchase things if I had a credit card... bu I don't, so I can't... ;_;

After consideration, Ive decided on the following course of action for myself. What others choose to do is, of course, up to them, but this is how I choose to handle the situation. If I put together something that uses textures acquired from the freebies section, I will credit those on my images. This is something Ive been remiss in doing in my gallery but will correct once I return from my next business trip. However, when it comes to items Ive bought, unless I am unusually impressed with the work, I see no point in giving credit. Im not advertising your wares unless they are outstanding in quality, sorry. And any merchant who trolls my gallery will find him/herself reported to admin faster than an image can be uploaded. I am not your advertising agency. I am a purchaser. And that entitles me to use what I have purchased in any way I see fit. If you dont like that possibility, then I suggest you figure out some way to forbid selling anything to me. But it will be my line in the sand to anyone who attempts to dictate what I can and cannot do with something I paid good money for beyond the reasonable limits of good taste and commercial usage.

....I must stipulate beyond signifigant extremist proportional magnitudes of gargantuan behemoth cataclysmic exuberances...that this is one thread I will be peek-a-booing all the live long day....I must go now and adjust my underwear...excuse me....I hate wedgies.... Agent RadArt (psst...I am in disguise...don't tell..)

wow, what a long long thread this is. (time for me to make it LONGER g) Basically, we have TWO types of items available here. We have STORE items, and we have FREEBIES. It's important to know the differences between the two in regards to following proper and legal procedure in their use. If someone creates something that they feel very proud of for reasons of having put in many many hours of hard work then it is understandable that they would want to be credited for their work. Such a creation typically incites the creator to want exposure for their name being associated with the item as opposed to the artist who rendered the image being mistaken for the creator of the items contained therin. So, with that in mind, they created the item for recognition purposes and NOT for monetary gains. If someone were to spend the same amount of time and energy to create an item to sell in the store, then they have outlined their intent of being compensated for their work in the form of monetary rewards. It is then unjustified they should seek DOUBLE COMPENSATION by demanding credit for the creation since they've already reaped their rewards. My point is this: Although you may have your own reasons for creating things for others to use and/or have acess to, it is in your best interest and the interest of all that you decide up front which of the two reasons outlined here you intend for your creation to be linked to. If you want money, sell it. If you want exposure, then post it in the freebies section with a readme file containing your personal restrictions of use. But don't go off the handle and make rude comments on ppl's gallery images just because you didn't see your name pasted underneath in the list of credits even if it was a freebie. A simple instant message to the person posting it will usually suffice and they will most likely be willing to rectify the text to accomodate your request especially if you're polite about it and include such a request in your readme file. As a vendor, free advertising for your ability is NOT part of the transaction agreement. If you want to insist upon credit along with the money (double compensation), the rules of the store clearly indicate that such an added restriction MUST be identified in the advertising promo render either in the picture itself or in the text underneath so that ALL potential customers have the opportunity to know it's not like the majority of store items. Be aware that such restrictions tend to thwart sales.

Well spoken, VirtualSite!! Jack

Thank you, sir. =) Im away for the next month to places all over the Eastern US. When I return, I fully expect to see post no. 745 on this thread in place, so I suggest everyone get busy and not disappoint me. =) I do truly love this place, and I shall miss you all for the next 30 days.

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jstro - how does that put things into perspective? i fail to see your point. of course warez exists, and everyone knows it. this is nothing new or groundbreaking. but crimes of all sorts exist. i dont go knock on my neighbors door and accuse him of being a child molester without a shred of proof, now do i? nor, because crime exists, do i automatically assume everyone is guilty of one crime or another until after ive trodden upon their rights and they have met all of my rediculous demands. she is way out of line, and there is no excuse. paranoid about warez? it exists. like someone said above - the people who traffic in warez probably wouldnt have bought her items anyways had they not been able to aquire them for free. every vendor in the marketplace faces the same problem, yet none of them take the prissy, rude and insulting vigilante approach that she does. and they do not resort to misleading and immoral tactics like she does, nor do they try to scam a way to get free advertising for their products in their licenses. her entire presence at renderosity revolves around money. she doesnt speak english well enough to understand? bullshit! her posts in the galleries, all of them promoting her products, have immaculate english in them. so do the clauses that she adds to the license agreements after point of sale. her IM to me was also in perfect english. i sympathise with people who must learn english as a second language. i had to learn it as well, and ive also taught ESL so i know both sides. but i also think that some people conveniently use this 'oh, i didnt understand what you meant because i dont speak english too well' bs to extract themselves from situations. she understands perfectly well, and even if she didnt, its no excuse.

I'm fairly new here and seldom post, but I'm extremely disgusted by Stefy's recent actions. I've been thinking of changing my account name, but I wonder now if I should. I've bought a lot of stuff in the store and I wouldn't want to be accused of stealing if I were to post pics in the gallery. Blackhearted, your image is awesome and I commend you for coming forward. I would have never guessed the texture was Asia. Ms. Stefy must put a lot of effort into examining images and checking her "list". I can't believe the good people here at Renderosity would even allow the retrictions Stefy originally put on her new stuff. I mean we're PAYING her for her work. Ms. Stefy is a talented artist and Asia is a true work of art... but, I've had difficulty with her color(yellowish) when I use her with other models/texutures. That's prolly just me though. I'm still learning. Be assured, I'll never use Asia again after seeing the comment Stefy made in Blackhearted's pic and her other actions. Thanks to those vendors that have reassured your customers. It DOES matter. This issue really touched a nerve with me. I'm removing Asia from my system and will never buy anything else from Ms. Stefy. I hope others do the same. I also intend to contact the store and ask for a refund... which I will use to purchase other products in the store. I'm amazed daily by the images in the gallery. Never has such a incredible group of artists and hobbists been brought together by a common interest. We are living in an amazing age. I'd especially like to thank those that have contacted me with "thanks you's" and offers of assistance after I've purchaced your products. And, thanks for listining to my rant. Solar

This constant fighting and arguing between vendors and artists is a might pathetic...really...I believe this...I think at times too many people will find a problem where there is NONE and yet completely miss or ignore the real problem!! Now why would that be so you ask?? Hmmmm?? Simple....it's much easier to dust a pretty lampshade than to clean out a dirty, stinkin' toilet bowel.... As for these "credit" issues.... ....frankly I also get tired of all this "credit" crap thing....I never ever see any CREDIT given on any of the postings of store products saying who and who else made that product look so wonderful with their art...like...so and so made this hairpiece look absolutely superb, go and see his/her fine work, thank you so and so....REAL art don't grow from trees ya know....artists spend oodles of time on their renderings just to make all this stuff LOOK GOOD...if it weren't for artists none of this stuff would have any meaning and it be worthless...selling or otherwise....something to ponder... ...I can understand the inflated prides of wanting to be "known" for your work...but when your things are "used" is this not already a sign of marksmanship??? Why should someone that BUYS something give credit after...that is just stupid to "HAVE" to do that....if you want to do this BRAND a big logo into your stuff that can't be removed....do the artists then turn around and insist upon recognition for rendering with every item that they purchased?? This should really be a "Modelosity Forum" cause that render part has very little value other than to advertize and give credit.... ....meanwhile something stinks in Denmark....<----(that thar is a saying....!)

I dont expect credit, and I dont expect people to keep the same user name. Like the other vendors have said she doesnt speak for all of us. If you buy it and do an image with anything of mine its your image not mine. While I always appreciate it I certainly do not require or expect it, sometimes your credit list would get really long and if you are like me you always end up forgetting someone anyway accidently :)

I'm the one that Blackhearted mentioned. I recieved two messages from StefyZZ, the first inquiring as to how I had gotten the texture, and the second threatening to have me banned permanently from rosity and having legal action taken against me if I did not purchase the texture within 48 hours. The texture was a gift from a friend of mine who knows that I'm into poser. I have no idea what name they used to buy it, most likely it was just an account created solely for the purpose of purchasing the texture, as he isnt into computer graphics at all. I didnt answer the IM because I dont see why I should have to accompany every image I post with an explanation of the origins of each and every item I happen to use. I too find nothing in the licenses in the zip file that indicates I must credit StefyZZ as the creator of the texture. I find it rude and obtrusive, and a violation of my privacy that I should be subjected to such inquiries and threats which are based solely on presumption. For that reason I deleted my images. I have not posted, and will not post another image in these galleries ever again. I would rather not have to deal with this kind of thing, thank you. I will not take further part in this debate, I merely wished to clarify a few things. I take my leave of renderosity now and forever, goodbye everybody.

I think if StefyZZ realy threatened Grey Matter to have his account revoked she should no longer be able to sell stuff here. But that is just my opinion. I do not have to decide that.

Blackhearted I meant it might add some perspective for those who seemed ready to write off ALL the vendors in the store based on this incident. A bit of an over reaction, it seemed to me, especially in light of what these other two threads show as to what vendors have to deal with. I was not endorsing SteffyZZ's actions, indeed called them misguided. As I said; Don't throw out the baby with the bath water, folks. While I have never bought anything from any of the vendors here, I have learned a lot from them. Many are very active in these forums, sharing valuable information with all of us, whether or not we buy anything from them. That was the point I was trying to make, perhaps not so well, and don't even have the excuse of my English not being so good. I'll shut up now. jon

{i think that a possible solution to this would be a standardised license for ALL products in the marketplace } I think there should be a "license template" for vendors to use; the template is the "default" user license, and if the vendor wishes to alter these terms, they MUST do so in an attacked text file - they also should at the VERY least indicate in the item description that usage includes variant restrictions.

In order to protect the customers , I think there should be one license and only one. I think it should be the one that renderosity provides, I dont believe there should be alterations to it. It is a pain in the ass for customers to have to keep track of every stipulation and change. If a vendor doesnt like the renderosity license they have the freedom to sale their goods anywhere else. Its all fine to post your stipulations and make the consumer aware of it to begin with, but if someone makes a lot of purchases , how are they expected to remember every item that had an altered license and every alrteration to those licenses. Am I supposed to go through all my read me files and view every one til I have them memorized every time I do a render even if I use nothing free , I should have to keep up with that? Its ridiculous. Vendors want protection from warez BUT customers have the right to purchase and use their items without having to make it a task to use them. I dont think the terms that were added to the items were reasonable or constructive.

Well, from what I know about law....A stipulation tacked onto an item AFTER purchase is not part of the valid contract, anyway. Like...I sell you a car. We both have a copy of the bill of sale at the time of sale. You leave with the vehicle...I rewrite my copy of the bill of sale, stating you cannot use it on any public streets/highways, but are free to drive it all you want on private property. This is basically the same thing that was done to the earlier purchasers of Asia, from what I read. She can scream all she wants, but, she does not have a valid contract on the new demands.

All for a good policy debate, but IIRC, I thought the consensus was that republishing IM's is not proper, even in C&D, it being tantamount to publishing private letters without permission. If for no other reason, are these not still original works copyrighted to the author? (serious question:) Does the fact that these relate to a commercial matter confer some different status?

Hey CB, "and if the vendor wishes to alter these terms, they MUST do so in an attacked text file" attacked text file, couldn't have said it better myself. :)

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whatever rad, nance. they were posted to show that the day after she said she would remove the conditions she attacked me, meaning she had no intention to do so. i do not want any relationship with stefy at all. i spent the money at the renderosity store, she has no right messaging me or posting in my gallery the way that she did. if you dont like the fact that i posted the IMs, thats your opinion - i sure didnt like receiving them. if she didnt want them posted then she shouldnt have sent them.

I have to disagree on the IM thing. If someone sends me some nasty IM about something, I'm not about to keep their dirty little secret and let them put on a different face in public. If you're harrassing someone, everyone deserves to know. And this DOES most definitely constitute harrassment. In fact, the grey-matter situation may even leave her open to criminal charges. Certainly, if she harrassed someone over the phone or through the mail in this manner, she could be charged. I think Stefy needs to pull her head out of her ass and apologize to these two folks before things escalate any farther, and before she puts herself out of business here at Renderosity, because right now I think she's lost herself a whole pile of customers.

this is just speculation, but i dont think its just 'these two folks'. the fact that grey-matter and i received the EXACT same first message, word for word, many days apart, indicates that stefy has been sending these out to several people since she has made a standardized template.

I replied on the other thread above.....x2000....I would agree with you on one instant with that....if after I sent these IM's to those in charge of this site and I was not pleased with the result I would then consider further determined actions in this venue.....but I have always felt that posting public dirty laundry in the open, (unless your about to be killed), is merely an attention getter and a demoralizer, it may solve the problem....but so does dropping an atom bomb on an ant hill.....

I will say this here and probably again on the thread above.....please do not get me wrong....I know you were mistreated here....what happened here in this situation is appalling and infuriating to say the least...I would not even attempt to argue that point.....what I am stressed about here is really not you so much....so in fact I am not really being fair with you here... What bothers me so much is how easy and simple it is to destroy someones reputation and talents on the open forums, you have every right to be upset as would anyone else at what took place but after all this is over and done you will be able to lick your wounds and go on, problem solved....Stefy may well have no wounds to lick....she will quite possibly be ruined....I am not certain I would be so content with that result if I were in your shoes. People should be held accountable for their actions, and tough shit, she asked for it is probably a mind melding thought here....but I guess I am a softee, I still kinda feel bad for a talent lost. I still wonder if this could have been handled with a little more finesse "openly" as to assure at least the possibility of a humbled but neverhteless continuance rather than just a total demise.... Take care.

Considering what good Poppi has just made me aware of it would seem I owe Blackhearted a few here....I would certainly be quite distressed if I had a message under my art suggesting I was a warezer....that could ruin someones' reputation openly big time as well.....I will now eat some of my words...thanks Poppi....thanks folks for listening to my drivel....Blackhearted, you have my respect for your concern.....I am now going to get the salt and pepper, I have a very long day ahead of me munching on many letters......crunch......

i am not out to 'ruin' stefy - thats why all ive posted are the facts. what i would like to do, is wake her up to the fact that even though at heart she may be out to protect her work, she cannot violate the rights of her buyers or treat them in such a manner. nor can she bend 'law' at her whim and add clauses to license agreements that have already been 'signed' and accepted. and id also like to make sure that nothing like this ever happens here again - that after purchasing an item from the store the buyer finds out that there are these rediculous strings attached. the main focus of renderosity should be to keep their buyers happy and protect their rights - not to cater to the whims of some of their more arrogant and disillusioned vendors. i realise that this is a site driven by money - but that money wont keep pouring in for much longer if more people leave or become disgruntled.

is it just me... or isn't this about the ART... not credit for who did what?? (and definitely NOT demanding credit be given!!!!) That is insane....

Radart frankly it was Steffy who ruined her own reputation and her own buisness.. Simply because of what she did. Blackhearted was right in doing what he did in reporting the problem since other members and customers should know

Hey everyone, youve got to see this this plastic model boat i bought and painted. Okay so i used different colors than what was originally intended, and i made a few personal modifications to the way the tackle is set up (any true sailor would know its wrong). But using a needle, i painted on the hull exactly the colors and modifications to make it the way I wanted it to look!! For those adept ones out there, you get the analogy. Its exactly the same thing in regards to a Poser model. I personally may or may not give credit, but if I got bitched at to put credit on my post, and a big "screw you" would go out to anyone who tried to force me to. Id just say, "fine, give me the $$$ i paid for this, and you got a deal. Oh you dont want to? Oh, well, dont that just suck." I am a fairly respectful person to those who I choose to buy from. I have great respect for StefyZZ's abilities (I have Noa; and yeah, go ahead, check the friggin log). But I hate how everything has to turn into a damned disclaimer-else-possible-lawsuit-slash-I-have-a-hissy-fit-that-would-make-you-wish-that-you-did-get-sued. Maybe we can learn from this, and move on to find out the exact quary where Vinus De Milo's marble came from, and what chisel and hammer were used... yeah thats it! check the bottom of the sculpture; maybe its there! All I know is that this gun (created by Samual Colt in 1837, and polished with a rag that was torn from an old Haynes undershirt) that is now pointed at my head, is gonna leave less of headache than all of this.

HEI I'M NUMBER 151 : My comment is :" DO WHAT EVER THE FU&^$K YOU WANNA DO !!! You wanna sue someone be my guess..... YOu wanna be pirates be my guess..... YOu wanna be an ass or a bitch be my guess..... BUT KEEP YOUR MOUTH TO WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! And btw....... This comment is made by Dees.... any legal right will be whatever you like it to be..... And please do someone sue me and drag me to court....ROGER COOLOUT

this guy should be the poster-child for birth-control.

Darn, got to the party late. Only zealots will still be reading this far down. So, for my fellow zealots: Two separate issues being addressed here. While I hope we all recognize that, (1.) clearly, no contract may be unilaterally altered subsequent to the sale, however (2.)the underlying issue of a seller requiring acknowledgement or credit, while somewhat annoying, is perfectly legitimate, and a routine practice under laws which apply here and, I presume, most anywhere else. If included as a condition of sale, such a requirement is not an optional matter of choice, discretion, or convenience but one to which the buyer is bound. A hypothetical example that I believe most would find common & perfectly reasonable: -------------------------- As part of their 50th anniversary promotion, Stan Lee wanders in and posts the official Marvel SpiderMan figure and textures for sale in the store. As part of the terms of sale, the limited usage license includes the following conditions: 1. The figure may not be used in any type of commercial application. Such usage requires additional licenses. 2. Though illustrations using the figure may be published in non-commercial venues (fan art / galleries) , any such publication must conspicuously include the phrase "SpiderMan character trademarked by Marvel Comics and used with permission". [or some such legally loaded phrase] --------------------------- Have we not all seen similar requirements quite frequently? Would this cause a similar uproar? If Stan can, then why not Steff or any other artist? Again, I realize that this is NOT what occurred in this particular case, as the restrictive terms were apparently NOT included at the time of the sale. However, had they been included, then all this puffery about "I've paid for it, so I'll decide when and who to credit as I deem appropriate" would have neither a moral nor legal leg to stand upon. Yes, you may have paid for the license, but that price only confered the specific rights specified in the license. And it did not include the right to publish without the credit statement. Is it not clearly accepted by all that, after agreeing to the terms of any sale, NEITHER party may subsequently make up their own terms. If either buyer or seller wishes to modify the usage rights after the sale, then they must simply negotiate an additional deal AND amended sales price that grants or restricts those rights. Otherwise... the deal is the deal. Don't like it -- don't buy it.

I figured it out. As beneficial as it would be to have my work critiqued and have suggestions given, this is why I dont post here.