I posted an image in the poser gallery last night called "Heliotrope (Sun Worshipper)". The following morning I was greeted by this IM as I logged into Renderosity: ----------- Instant Message from StefyZZ: Hello! I'm Stefania Zampini, the creator of the Asia texture that you've used in your last images. Since we have to protect my hard work and my copyright from piracy, and since I don't see your name in the list of my Asia Purchasers, I kindly ask you to tell us how do you get my Product. Thank you. Sincerely, Stefania Zampini. (Sent 10/13 02:58) ----------- I went to my Gallery and found this comment by her under my image: "Excuse me but if you give credit you have to do it completely: The texture of V2 is my Asia. " I replied: "Woah.. EXCUSE ME... someone needs to relax a little. I overlooked mentioning the texture by accident, Stefy. What I find extremely rude and pompous, however, is your instant message coupled with this comment in my gallery. At no time in the past year have you commented on ANY of my images, yet within hours of my posting this one youre here sniffing around and accusing me of not being on your 'list' of Asia purchasers. I value my privacy and anonymity - and nowhere in the license that came with the product do I see that for the rest of my graphics career I am obligated to keep you posted on my current alias. "Excuse me but if you give credit you have to do it completely" - ahem.. this is my personal gallery, and in my image description I will post what I choose. In this case it was an oversight, but in the future if either you or anyone else at renderosity attempts to dictate what I post in MY gallery, then I will either disable comments or take my work elsewhere." and to the IM I replied: ---------- IM response from me: I am Blackhearted, creator of Heliotrope. I understand your concern over your product. But I value my privacy and anonymity - and nowhere in the license that came with the product do I see that for the rest of my graphics career I am obligated to keep you posted on my current alias. Thank you. ----------- Instant Message from StefyZZ: I'm very sorry that you don't want to collaborate, just like warezers always use to do! :( Is for this reason that I assume that you didn't purchase my product. We will take our provision! (Sent 10/13 14:34) ----------- IM response from me: The fact that I purchased a product, which later turned out to have these rediculous strings attached, and the fact that I'm now being called a 'warezer' by the pompous, arrogant creator of this product is insulting to say the least. Only fools 'assume'. How dare you pidgeonhole me in some category based solely on the fact that I refuse to abide by your stupid clause which infinges on MY rights as a consumer and graphic artist. Some people have alternate nicknames, some people just purchase under another name to avoid being email spammed by vendors, and others still just value their anonymity and privacy. You have a lot to learn about customer relations and consumer rights. Go do whatever the hell your 'provision' is, but know that I've spent my last penny at Renderosity. ------------ Instant Message from StefyZZ: The only arrogant here is you. (Sent 10/13 15:14) --------------------------------------- This is complete insanity. Am I obligated to give her credit in each and every one of my works that has one of her textures? And am I obligated to keep forwarding her my new nickname and info every time I decide to change it? What the hell is this? Its the equivalent of going to the Gap, buying a t-shirt, and every time you wear it having to announce "I bought this shirt at the Gap for 29.99". And at the time of purchase and every time you move thereafter you have to provide them with your complete name, current address and visa number for their records. I saw no mention of these rediculous terms at the point of sale - nor are they included in the license.txt or the readme.txt included with the product. Either way, I've pretty much had my fill with the crap I've had to endure here at Renderosity lately. I'm sure a lot of you will be glad to see me go - my opinions havent made me a lot of friends here. But when a site like this, which (believe it or not) is being done a service by its users (and not vice versa) starts taking advantage of that and infringing upon their rights then its time to find a new one. If anyone thinks that I've been undiplomatic or unwise in my replies - thats fine, I never claimed to be a politician. But understand that this type of thing upsets me quite a bit, as it should upset anyone that purchases items from the marketplace. Cheers, Gabriel

I am so sorry that you had to have this unfortunate insident. That is why we allow anyone who uses our freebies or buys from us the right to do what they want with our models, except we do ask that they don't claim it as their work or morph it and resell it to others. You have every right to have an opionion and we would hate to see you go. You are just being honest about how you feel. Try not to let this insident give you a bad taste in your mouth regarding others here, it may not be so that people don't care, I think we all do.

You might have said that yo bought it under the name of "???" ... she is greek and might not understand the word alias but she would understand if you bought the texture under another name. At no point did you say that in plain language. That might have cleared it up some. Just my 2 cents.

I also typically don't give credit to bought things. If someone asks then cool but if I had to list Daz on every one of my props etc it would be silly. Those things that are free I definantely give the courtesy of listing them.

I own a copy of ASIA, I thought Steffy ZZ had relented on those clauses for her new stuff. My .txt file says nothing about giving credit etc. just stick around and I think you'll find most are on your side. and most people like a little excitement. :) at this point i am not ready to blame R'osity, but I think something needs to be done. I for one am fed up of having to keep up with and read endless files saying you can use this and you can't do that. I think that R'osity should champion the use of a single license for both the store and Freestuff.

Excepting of course the items that Sams3D mentioned. Not selling or giving away what you've DL or purchased or change slightly and then sell.

Wow! This is going over the border. I like SteffyZZ's textures but JEEZ!. I probably wont be buying anything else from her. Mite just stick with Daz stuff altogether. Warez is bad but so is paranoia.

I fear I will live to the day when money buried renderosity. Discussions about copyrighting poses and copying textures and now a witch hunt for possible copyright breakers. I doubt if I could safely buy something here. At least the makers of asia act like children. By the way, a bought texture / prop / whatever is nothing i would give credit too, I have paid for it, that should be enough. I would demand money if I should advertise for that. Maybe that is something what Stefania Zampini should learn.

While I can value the importance of the creator, its this sort of exchange that makes me feel theres no point in mentioning any credits, ever, again, whether bought or freely acquired. Ive not purchased any of Steffys textures, but after this Im truly not sure I ever want to, no matter what the quality.

"I think that R'osity should champion the use of a single license for both the store and Freestuff." I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. I for one believe you get what you pay for, and if you're not paying you shouldn't get all the same rights you would get if you payed. I would not put anything else in the free stuff here if we had to use the same license as the store, I know a few people would also quit putting stuff in the free stuff section as well. People who post in freestuff (most of us anyway) wouldn't have a problem with just keeping our stuff on our site and never even mentioning it here, but we do it to be nice. I know Jamball I've had this conversation with you before, so I won't say anymore on it. As for the whole situation with Steffy and the textures, I've been in Gabriel's shoes before. As alot of you might know I regularly change my alias. I just change my alias when I feel it doesn't suit me anymore, or when I feel that my privacy demands it. Awhile back I was accused of being a "warez" person for posting a picture of some stroe characters I bought and not being on "the list". I didn't even realize it was a "crime" to not be on said list but after the attack I got I won't post any of my pictures with stuff I've previously bought from renderosity, and I most likey won't make any new purchases from this store. When I go to Toy-R-Us to buy toys for my son, the woman at the counter always asks for my phone number. I used to give it to them becuase they claim it's so they can contact you incase of a recall. After having moved and (obviously) changing my phone number I decided to get a private number, almost half a year went by with no calls from telemarketers. Then I drove all the way to Toys-R-Us (which is a about 45 min from here due to memphis traffic) bought my son a toy ya couldn't get anywhere else, the woman asked me for my phone number stating that they keep numbers on record incase of recalls I willingly gave it to her. Well the very next day I had 2 telemarketers call! Get this they were trying to sell me 1)Life Insurance for my child 2)A membership to a Childrens Book Club So where do YOU think they got the number??!! Since then I have taken every messure I can to protect my privacy, on the internet and in the "real world" and to basically hear on renderosity that it's a "crime" just pisses me off! Ok I'll quit ranting for now... Cookie

I agree with VirtualSite. I dont make nice pictures, so I guess I never have this problem, but what if I would use Asia-skin on a character to make a new Homepage-outfit? Do I have to post her Name (or my name - so she knows me) on the Homepage - I dont want to do this. Also I think this credit-thing is getting a bit to much. I understand that someone is proud if the product is very good, but they sell it!! - I mean this is enough - they get payed for it, companys look at this as it is. Not enough ? But may this is getting in the wrong way - I think she did not understand you right - sometimes the english is confusing to other languages - I have the same problem sometimes, reading it twice and again and again till I understand, sitting here with my little translator, searching for a word that cant be found... (sorry for my english - hope you understand the meaning)

Well then I guess that I should say right now that I am LaurieA, aka Daffy34, aka LAllen, aka Quackpot, etc, etc, etc. Yes, it's me...I'm me. I don't have any SteffyZ textures BTW. And since I changed my nickname I've been worried about this very thing. What if folks who's stuff I bought under Daffy34 DON'T know it's me? It's the very reason I don't put any copyright restrictions on my freestuff. Respectable folks will contact me and ask if it's okay to use my things in something they want to do for profit (and they have). Non-respectable folks will do it anyway. I don't like fighting losing battles. If I tried to keep after folks who would wish to sell something that I gave away for free, I'd never do anything else. I think some other folks here know how exhausting it really is. Laurie

i can sympathise with you - that totally violates your rights as a consumer. im probably never going to buy anything from the store again, and even if i do it will definitely not be from stefyzz. even though stefy's english might not be that good, she knew enough to put those ridiculous conditions on her product in the first place -instinct

Another sad day at R'osity... As some people may know, my work has been used in sold textures here but even if copyright agent did a great job concerning that, I can understand the feeling of Steffy. Texturing ( or anything creative ) is time consuming and when I see the images done with Asia, I think it's one of the best textures seen for Poser ( don't have it Steffy so don't look at your list, I make my own ;) I don't think the privacy is important here. Just reply to her and give her your usual login. I'm sure the problem will be solved quickly this way... And I don't think she will sell your login for spam. no, for me, the problem is credits. When you make freestuff, it's fair from people who downloaded it to credit authors. But when you buy something,you don't have to do it ( but you can :). P-S : Blackhearted, you flamed me about my wishlist for Poser5. Well, already two of my ideas are already used by artists of the community ( especially the Radiosity/Global Illumination trick ), so it looks like they weren't so unreasonable as you thought ;) joelegecko

JOE - I have never 'flamed' anyone here before. I've done more than my fair share of arguing, but I've never made any personal attacks. A flame is a personal attack. As for the Radiosity - you said it yourself, its a 'trick'. True radiosity is quite far away, and if you compare poser to Bryce (which has it) I'm not sure I'd want it. A render that takes 2 minutes in poser will take you 35+ hours in Bryce. I'll take my Poser renderer over tying up my computer and waiting for the results of the render for almost 2 days anytime :) And yes, privacy is whats important here. I'm not going to restate the reasons, theyve already been posted here and in an earlier thread on the same topic. I realise that the warez industry is becoming a growing plague on marketers, but infringing upon the rights of the buyer is not a solution. SAMS3D - thanks, i didnt think anyone cared :) Mazak - the asia textuure has quite a few faults, and I've been aware of them for some time, but I've never complained (like the dark wrinkles around the armpits that always have to be postworked, the yellowish tint, the hairy legs, the eyelids, the fact that when you load it in propack you have to go through the queries and load EVERY single bump map manually, etc). I thought, as a whole, the product was a worthwhile purchase. I've since reconsidered, its caused me more stress than all of the other products ive purchased combined. Asia is a good texture, but its definitely not the best, or the only texture out there. The issue of demanding credit in an artists image is sickening. Not only is it shamelessly asking for free advertising, but it also demeans the artist. The texture is a minor part of an image - definitely not irreplaceable. With MAT files, you can replace a texture in seconds, and there are plenty of more affordable photo-textures out there. A lot of work, and a lot of things go into making an image - pose and lighting being the most important. Whats next? People demanding credit for poses or light sets?

The seller should be flattered that his/her work is being used and shown by other artists. And also should find PROOF before accusing someone of warez activity. And keep any accusation out of the public view. The piece in the gallery using the seller's work is FREE ADVERTISING. I'm sure it could have generated more sales by the artist referring others to the place to get the goods. But I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy anything from that seller.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=95420&Start=1&Artist=Blackhearted&ByArtist=Yes

If I buy a product... it's mine... not to sell of course, but it's mine to use in my images as I see fit. The owner gives up those rights when I give them my hard earned money. To have someone come up and demand where I got it... or demand I give them credit... I don't think so. I usually do, but that's my choice. Sometimes I'm lazy and just post a pic. Especially if I have a lot of items in a pic. I do not claim I made what ever is there, other than the overall composition. This is MY choice... The moment it becomes clear that it isn't my choice, I will stop buying and posting.

I can kinda understand where she's coming from when she asked you where you got her product, since you weren't on her list of purchasers. However, anyone who sells products anywhere should realized that people purchase products using different alias's. Sending back a msg to her stating such should have settled it, however, I think it was very wrong of her to post the comment in your gallery about not giving credit! I see that in a lot of the galleries, where credit as well as information on the image is not given. So, I can only assume that the artist just didnt want to post anything. That is their poragative. I have seen images using stuff I have given away freely and no credit. But again, that is up to the artist. Its always nice to see the credit, and I will always try to leave a comment of the image created by the artist in their gallery. I dont leave comments in galleries where absolutely nothing is mentioned about the image unless the image absolutely stuns me. Thats my poragative :) Anyway, Im sorry Blackhearted that this happened to you. I do hope that you stick around. We've lost too many good people IMHO! :))

Blackhearted, quite off-topic but beautiful image :) I have to admit it's frustrating for an artist to not be credited. When there is no credit, people usually think you did it yourself ( how many times people who used my textures did not credit me... and when you see comments saying "you did great job on texturing", yes, it's really frustrating :) You're right, buyers also have rights. But it takes so little time to send an email. If she was offering a free update outside of Renderosity, you would provide your login to access the files... Wish everything will be solved soon, because I'm affraid we will buy empty zip files soon, and we'll have to contact the author to download the stuff :) joelegecko

uhmmmm... when I purchase a product I use my real name, after all it's on my credit card and the purchase of products sold at 3-D arena reflect this as well for other consumers. But I don't use my real name here... so I may buy something and then you wouldn't know because my art uses my handle and my purchases use my legal name. It is my opinion that if you sell it you shouldn't ask to be credited when it is used. I can just see a poster done with the use of Asia & in fine print all credits are given at the bottom. Ridiculous... unless there is a darned good reason to believe it is pirated (i.e. only a handful sold and at about twice that many users using it), she shouldn't say anything because of the handle issue.

We understand where customers are coming from, WHY...because we are customers too. I often download free items from various vendors and buy them too and hope that I have the right to use them the way I see fit....that is why we will do the same for our customers, Ms Outlaw is right, she bought it, it belongs to the consumer. Blackhearted, we hope you do not leave, take a big breath, this is a bad situation that can now be made right. You took a stand, you have backbone because you stood for something that effects everyone here and others concerning CGI's. I sincerely am glad that you have made all aware of there rights as a consumer and you have brought some attention to us vendors. Thank you, try to have a good rest of the day. Sharen

This is the same thing I posted about in an earlier thread where StefyZZ added clauses to the licenses for her Yazoo&Yoda and Yuma texture packs. The clauses read that credit had to be given to Stefy whenever an image was posted to the gallery using the textures, and that the username posting the image had to be the same username that bought it. After some heated posts, Stefy weighed in on the thread and said that the new license restrictions were removed... she apologized, said it wasn't her intention to offend anyone, and said her English wasn't good and that we may have misunderstood her. Based on Blackhearted's experience, we didn't misunderstand her at all. That's it for me. I bought Asia and Edo, but I won't buy another of StefyZZ's textures until she decides not to treat every customer of hers like a potential thief. -nemo

Enough said. I do buy from the store here, but will never buy from StefyZZ. Thanks for the heads up. I do not need the headaches of such a person.

Hmmmm, very difficult subject this I believe. I think StefyZZ has a valid point, but maybe went the wrong way about drawing attention to it. At the same time I think BlackHearted also has another valid point. As a fellow artist, I would have to agree with StefyZZ to a point. If I was to spend all that time creating such a great texture, I would be very pi***d to see someone display it in a piece of work without acknowledgement. At the same time however, you can not force someone to abide by this rule. We all, as artists, should acknowledge any work we use created by others. This is not something we should have to be asked to do, but something we do out of respect for those who in a way have helped us. You can not ignore any element in a piece of work. You can not say, "Oh but the texture is not important in this particular piece", because it is. Every element has it's role to play. And if that element belongs to someone else then I think it is only fair to pay them credit. Just my humble opinion HJ

I read another thread about SteffyZZ's restrictions, yesterday. I pondered it, a bit...and came to the conclusion that real "Warezers" wouldn't give two hot snots, anyway. Therefore, to me...It was a moot point. This thread, however, proves me wrong. Unless someone is planning on sending me a Christmas card, or, a freebie...I would prefer not to be on any lists. I shudder to think how totally embarrassing it would be to upload a picture, and, have the maker of the texture to make a rude comment. Talk about taking the joy out of art. My advice...lol...would be for all of you all to start learning how to make your own stuff. (Aside, from "must haves" like Mike and Vicki...AND when the heck is Mike 2 coming out?) However, for the hobbyist, this is not a solution. So, then, to the vendors....take care....please, don't let suspicions drive away potential future clients. If someone has privacy issues, but, has your product....Please, display some good sense and do not treat them as second-class citizens. The benefit of the doubt is a lovely thing. Pop...pop...Poppi!!!

Have to agree with that Poppi, very well said. HJ

I tend to agree with most of the comments above about giving credit on every item used in a work. Apart from everything else it raises logistical problems. However, a very interesting legal point is raised by this issue and one which all should consider. When we buy a commercial product we do not OWN the product, but are licenced to use it. (If we owned the product we would have re-distribution rights) The licence is issued to a named person or company. If that name is false, an alias or different to the person using the texture or software product, the matter could technically be subject to legal action even if the person really did pay for it. It would be a matter for a court, but I think a court might consider an alias to be a technical licence breech. I am not trying to start a row or debate on this but I think it might be worth looking into. STORM

In all fairness is it possible that she sent the IM & gallery post prior to the first thread regarding the new licensing restrictions? It may be the comments were made at a time when her temper was still up, and she did not realize how others would react to this. I'm not saying in any way that blackhearted is in the wrong with his anger. But it is so easy for these things to get out of hand, we are all for the most part complete strangers to each other, often not even knowing weather the person you've been chatting with is male or female. My point in that is that it is very easy to insult someone when you know nothing about them (like accusing them of warez use) Even I was outraged briefly about the license thing, but I didn't know she didn't speak english either. I have to stop and think how what I say will be translated and how what others have said were translated to us. It is very easy to forget that there are many here whose native language is not english, For the most part I'm really not used to this. end rambling

That's why I put bar codes on the bottom left toe nail of all my Hatchlings. So I can scan your gallery images, and make sure its an authentic MallenLane Hatchling. Now if they just wouldn't wiggle so much when I'm putting the stickers on. ML

again i hate to have to draw attention to the fact that in a community such as this the consumer should be the main focus, and not the vendor. i realise that Renderosity has a large stake in the marketplace here - and this IS all about money - but unless your customers are happy you wont have much of a community for very long. i think that a possible solution to this would be a standardised license for ALL products in the marketplace - one that both vendors and customers agree to before a transaction and is clearly posted from a link on the main page. it would avoid any confusion or legal hassles, and will put an end to customers buying products and then later finding out that they have these rediculous strings attached. as for a separate, standardized license for freestuff? i dont think thats a bad idea either. it would protect users and if someone wanted more liberal terms of use for their product they could just waive the license in their readme. -Gabriel

I don't generally post into these... but IMHO, attaching a "Must use same alias/username" and "Must give image credit to creator" clause on a purchased item is wrong. It's also not a requirement in any of the R'osity Marketplace guidelines I'm aware of. If someone does wish to attach further restrictions on an item, over and above the required lisencing from the marketplace, then they had best make these restrictions REAL plain in the store copy so that potential purchasers can see them up front. And make their buying choices accordingly. I wouldn't buy an item with a clause like that. That would be like ELSA telling me I have to mention their company everytime I post an image rendered on a system with one of their video cards. And that I could only post if I signed my work with the same name I used to buy the card with.

Not if the IM and gallery post were done last night (night of 10/12), as Gabriel said. I posted the first thread the day before yesterday, and Stefy responded during the morning hours of October 12. I am particularly incensed that she behaved this way after she posted this to the previous thread: "First, excuse me for my not good english, and then I'm very sorry if I have disturbed you with the additional licence I've added to my last products, but that absolutely was not my intention. Indeed, I've decided to add it 'cause I was very tired to see images with my "warez products" posted here in the Renderosity Gallery from "warez members". And some of them have also provided me the url where to find my warez products... This is the only reason why I've added this additional license that is referred only to the Renderosity Galleries and not for anything else to my last products. There are absolutely no restrictions for commercial use or for anything else like usual. So I'm very sorry if I've hurt someone, and believe me, I should have never thought that I should have hurt someone!! And that's why I will remove that additional license ASAP. Many apologizes for this. Sincerely, Stefy. "

Storm, I don't think that argument would technically hold up in court. Reason being that aliases aren't illegal and a handle is often a business name or portion of. If images are signed with an alias and the model is bought by an individual name, or company then the use of the model as it fits the terms should still hold. I often purchase things via my business SilverMage Concepts, because when I use my business account I am better able to track purchases for tax reasons. BUT I have every legal right to sign my images in whatever manner I choose. Sometimes images are signed to SilverMage Concepts and sometimes to me. Handles are used on the web for safety and privacy issues. I don't believe that a court would find a person in default of contract for using their handle online. If a person can prove the identity that purchased the product is theirs, then they legally own it. With all the advances in the law towards internet usage and rights, I personally (could be wrong) feel secure that what I purchase in good faith I have the right to use in good faith and in accordance with the terms. On another note, if I purchased an item and then later discovered a term of use that stated I had to always give credit if I posted images in a public or specific gallery I would request a refund and raise quite a stink about it. Unless those terms are made public, prior to purchase then one believes that the general terms for commercial products holds true. After all one can argue a gallery as any number of things. What she is requesting is free advertising, and to get that she can give the model away to others for them to advertise or pay for it... I certainly won't buy her products as I am very careful regarding terms of use, both in my own items and those I use. I don't want any confusion regarding what I can and can not do, nor do I want to have to keep score of a numerous number of items.

OMG...Mallenlane..you got me gigglin'. BlackHearted...I personally, would not buy a product with the restrictions on "Asia". However, I am not much of a consumer of other people's creations...I enjoy doing my own stuff....And, then...lol...If I have a problem with it I only have to quarrel with me. AND...I DO give myself credit in the gallery, when I post. Getting serious, now....I think...the license should be prominently displayed BEFORE an object, text, etc., is purchased. That way...If the client does not like it...They have the choice not to buy.

Just one of the reasons I don't buy anything from the stores, or DAZ3D for that matter. And I almost never download free stuff anymore either. I do still grab the weekly freebie from DAZ, but never use them. Don't know why I still bother, really. Credit this. Remember where I got that. Forget it. So I went out and bought a modeler and started building my own models. They may not be great, but I do get great satisfaction out of them being of my own hand. Stick around Blackhearted. Your art work is good and I think you can see most people here agree with you. jon

Could one of the vendors clairify a point, just for our information: When we buy a product from R'osity, what information do you get? Do you just get our 'alias' or do you also get our real name, or other information like email addresses? That would clarify this issue somewhat. If all you get is an alias, well, as others have pointed out, people change aliases. Last names, too, for the matter, especially women.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=428429

response to ladysilvermage If a person uses more than one screen name, they are still the same person that purchased the product. "ShadowCat" doesn't have a credit card, but I do. If I were to purchase something it would belong to me (usage wise) regardless of what name I use online. The credit card is in the name of a real person, therefore the usage license goes to the person who pays that bill. Here's something else to think about. My husband and I both use the same computer, and both use poser. Now what if I bought something, is he not supposed to be able to use it? When someone buys a software item, loads it into the computer, it then is legal for whoever uses that computer to use the software that's on it. I think even the most anti-warez people can agree with this, If you don't I'll ask you this: how many people use your machine however briefly and would you be willing to buy more than one copy of everything?

Good for you jon, isn't it great to be able to have your own models. Unfortunately, some people just don't have a nack for it, but they do fill in the spaces that I certainly don't have, like texturing and creating wonderful models with clothes, hair etc. I do thank them all. Sharen

BlackHearted, sorry this happened to you. I try and give credit when I post pics in the forums or galleries, but sometimes, I forget someone. If you purchase something then I agree, you should not have to give credit, you paid your money and it is yours. If you were trying to resell the texture, I could see her point, but posting an image, geesh. Please don't go, I Would miss your opinions :)

What I'd like to see clarified by a Renderosity store administrator is this: Are vendors allowed to set any arbitrary restrictions they like on the use of an item? And can they do this post-sale? I bought Asia unaware of Stefy's mania for being given explicit credit in the gallery. I would not have bought a texture pack knowing that the creator expected to be given prominent credit on every image using it, in perpetuity. If I got a comment on an image such as Blackhearted got on "Heliotrope" from StefyZZ, I'd be furious. So now I have two products (Asia and Edo) that I paid a fair amount of money for and feel I cannot use because of impositions their creator has placed on me after their purchase. I can't return them or get any sort of refund. My money is just completely wasted. What does the Renderosity store have to say about this?

Goldfire I own 3D Arena and I can tell you that when a purchase is made there the vendors get the name that is used in the order for the cc purchase. In most cc purchases there is no place for a handle. I would think that here at 'rosity you might get both, but elsewhere they are likely to get your full name. Frankly I get purchase order for my items and often wonder who bought them, I have yet to see them pop up here by a purchaser... I frankly don't see a problem with it not having a handle. But I'm n ot paranoid and I know that if someone uses warez, they weren't likely to purchase my stuff anyhow so I didn't actually "lose" anything. Of course if I catch ya' I'll nail you, but I won't be paranoid about it. Ruins customer relations... (and I don't have enough customers to spare lol)

Jstro...you're a person after my own heart. Sometimes, I use something free...and, I do give credit. Freestuff is such a nice gesture to the community. Even though I do alot of print work, IRL...I do so enjoy making my own stuff when I am going to post to gallery. In a way, it is a manner of becoming a "goddess" of sorts. And, the few things that have been purchased.....Gifts from my sister, and, my children...Even I want some of the "must haves", but, am often too stubborn to pop for them. ;)

Oh, the restrictions were made AFTER the purchases.....Well, then...They aren't worth anything. There is no such thing as an Ex Post Facto law. So....just forget all this silliness and enjoy your purchases, would be my advice.

You laugh Poppi, but I know you went and looked for the tag!

shadowcat: That was the point I was trying to make to Storm. I wasn't saying that use of handle nullifies the usage rights, I was saying the exact opposite. As for: "I think even the most anti-warez people can agree with this, If you don't I'll ask you this: how many people use your machine however briefly and would you be willing to buy more than one copy of everything?" I agree (although NO ONE touches my computer, the damned infidels would die! lol) however, there is a loophole to that argument. Technically multi use for the purpose of sales is considered a business use, if a vendor of any product requires a seperate business license for multi-users, you would be expected to pay for that. I've never seen a license like that for models though.

You're right, Mallen...and the danged hatchling is still wigglin, too, dagnabbit.

Hard to enjoy them, Poppi, if Stefy continues to post snippy comments on every image using them which doesn't credit her. Also hard if she decides to IM every person whose alias is not on her purchaser's list and in so many words calls them a thief. I'm with rwilliams... StefyZZ is more of a headache than her textures are worth.

"The licence is issued to a named person or company. If that name is false, an alias or different to the person using the texture or software product, the matter could technically be subject to legal action even if the person really did pay for it. It would be a matter for a court, but I think a court might consider an alias to be a technical licence breech." So what you're saying is that since my name isn't on the CC (only my husbands is) and my hubby makes most of the purchases, that only HE has the right to use it? Cookie