pipp said and, that is sad. i am an artist...it was the best thing i could do going back as far as i remember. i was so happy to find this site. i thought i had found a flock of kindred spirits. i can be, and, was wrong. how the hell can anyone feel esteemed and respected by cheating to get into the hot 20? geeze, i made a little "notice" today...no artwork, just text, for a real world client...they loved it....gets me free food at their restaurant, whenever it strikes my fancy. respect is REAL appreciation. not just this fly by night business, here...ooh, ahhh...you used our premixed vicki mix with our premixed temple, and you really created a wonderful "it's shake 'n bake....'N I HELPED!!!" graphic for our already overcrowded poser gallery. how, i wish that this were really an art site. i've been screaming that poser is not the only game in town. i love my rhino and my bryce...i haven't posted to the poser gallery since february. sorry, poser has been leaving such a bad taste in my brain. PLUS....seeing other images that inspire me in the gallery lead me to create with a program. the poser gallery has left me flat for quite a while. i may be a second, third, and, alien citizen...but, i don't care. i KNOW who i am and what i can do. and, i enjoy doing it. if renderosity does not need the likes of me, that's fine. i have never even aspired to sell here. and, that's not to say that i don't aspire to sell my poppi's. i just never liked this market. and there are places that i respect on the web. there are places where i would feel honored to have one of my pictures posted to their gallery. this place is not one of them. it seems as if it is a joke in the 3d world, like poser. me, i learned that we can get disappointed, easily, on this internet. so, i guess i will hitch my wagon to a big star, and try my best to let rath.com disappoint me. nothing ventured, nothing gained. it can't hurt much worse than having a list leader beat you out for the hot 20 here, time, and again. rejection is rejection.

ah, mann...scroll up. this stupid place would not let me put brackets around what pipp and bones said. dagnabbit!!!

The Wise man learns from his mistakes. The Wiser man learns from the mistakes of others. The Wisest man learns what channels the good cartoons are on. Your turn, Hawk. ;]

The wisest man learns most from his woman....

Hey bonestructure, That's what my lovely wife keeps trying to teach me.

I learned that you really CAN go crazy if you masterbate too much. Yes, doctor, I'm coming...................

I know, I'm goin' ta hell for that one too!

I've learned that a neuronet can be branched leaving you vulnerable to the pink pony effect. :) :) :)

I learned: "You never test the depth of a river with both feet." Which comes from from my following of hawkfyr's quote: "The Wise man learns from his mistakes. The Wiser man learns from the mistakes of others." I've observed a lot of big badda mistakes these last few months. :o)

Oh, here's another one: "The believer is happy. The doubter is wise." hehe, this is fun.

I've learned that if I've had a hard day, I can always come to Renderosity and rubberneck at my own personal trainwreck. I've learned that if I need to know something using about Poser, I'm probably better off going to a different forum. And I've learned that you can spit pixie stick powder out your nose if you laugh while eating it. Potato chips, too.

Okay this one isn't funny, but it's cool and inspiring: "It is never too late to be what you might have been."

Hey Bone, Yer right. Poser ain't the end all but a small part of th overall process (for me anyways). I think I've done maybe 2 or 3 pure poser renders. Everything else has been a conglomerate of several different programs. I've also learned that the chicken becomes road pizza if it ain't fast enough to get to the other side

I've learned - that no matter how thin you slice it, there are always two sides. I've learned - that it's a lot easier to react than it is to think. I've learned - that either you control your attitude or it controls you. I've learned - that learning to forgive takes practice. I've learned - that money is a lousy way of keeping score. I've learned - that sometimes when I'm angry I have the right to be angry, but that doesn't give me the right to be cruel. I've learned - that maturity has more to do with what types of experiences you've had and what you've learned from them and less to do with how many birthdays you've celebrated. I've learned - that our background and circumstances may have influenced who we are, but we are responsible for who we become. I've learned - that two people can look at the exact same thing and see something totally different. I've learned - that credentials on the wall do not make you a decent human being. I've learned - that it's hard to determine where to draw the line between being nice and not hurting people's feelings and standing up for what you believe.

I admit it. I do pure poser renders about 95% of the time. Most of my gallery is pure poser renders with a little post work, but only a little post work. I guess I'm an oddball in that. My problem is I don't have time to render the scenes in other programs and although I have an extra computer for storage, I don't have an extra computer to render on. That's next on my list of things to aquire, an extra computer and moniter of the caliber I'm working on now that I can devote to being a render engine. Until then, I can't afford to postpone my work by tying up my machine for that long. Anyone else have that problem? Back to what I've learned. I've learned that: "There are no short cuts to any place worth going."

My ending quote is almost a contradiction to what I was saying right above it. LOL

I guess it's not worth going to check out my gallery based on the quote that follows my explanation as to why I do most of my renders in poser. LOL

And I've learned that you can spit pixie stick powder out your nose if you laugh while eating it. Potato chips, too. OWWWW!! Thats gotta hurt worse than Coke-a-Cola... ;)

Cross posted you there Jackie. My post was in response to what blud said. :o)

I've also learned not to look where you fell, but where you slipped; and, everyone loves justice in the affairs of another; and, evil is sooner believed than good. I think those three are particularly relevant to recent events.

I've learned that you can't tell if someone is short-sighted by looking if they wear glasses. I've learned that most bad things are done through thoughtlessness. I've learned to apologise when I'm wrong. I've learned that you can't lose if you defend what you value most. I've learned that the trick with ice cubes when you're making mayonnaise and it curdles doesn't really work very well. Also relevant to recent events (except possibly that last one).

Did you leave out a word in that last one, cambert? I can't make sense of it to get it.

Don't think so. Possibly depends on knowing the 'ice cubes' trick. I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you and eat you. Which wouldn't be nice because my mayonnaise has curdled ;-)

Oh, okay. I'll stay ignorant and live then. hehe

mabfairyqueen - to me it's just a tool. You do nice work and it looks like you are comfortable with your tools. Keep at it. (BTW - I don't tie up my machine too long with renders, 'bout 30 min's is the longest at a huge size). "I am wrong more often than not" -?

I have learned that saying "Thank you, Obi Wan" to your boss is wont to tick him off... ~S

Hey there blud. Looking at your gallery. Your most recent post is very impressive. My problem is I like to put tons and tons of details into my scenes, things like complex plants and terrain and doodads and knick knacks and a lot of them. These are the kind of renders I wish I had time to render in other apps that do shadows and such more accurately, but the other aps I have take 10 times as long as poser to create those better shadows and lighting and higher realism. I can't afford that kind of time to render them or the time it takes to export the figures and set the scene up in another app.

They changed it from World Wrestling Federation to World Wrestling Entertainment after they got sued by the World Wildlife Federation.

I've learned that any subject is worthy of satire.

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I learned that if you put frogs in the deep freeze, you can make popsickles that last a long time...

I've learned that although it's proper to refer to more than one cactus as cacti, it's not proper to refer to more than one porpoise as porpi. I've also learned that you can learn alot from people with funny names like wolf359, or Little_Dragon or timeteo1 or Geep (among a whole lot of others to whom I'm extremely grateful). And I've learned even more how rewarding it is to share what I've learned with other people who have funny names.

Being a newcomer here after someone directed me here, I would have to suggest a learning strategy upon this particular tirade. You membership artists, whether hobbyists or professional of talents need to really consider some essential criteria. Art does not just come from whatever you can fabricate via the various props and meshes one can gather throughout this domain; art needs to come from inside, not from the outside. Although using aids is acceptable, you cannot just expect to create a mastery by looking upon all those items you may gather up and say, now I will amaze them all by using this, and this, and this, and this here and create a wonderpiece of original quality and individual style. The day one is able to speculate and plan their particular crafts without so much as depend on any wares one has accumilated and pull it off with precision, that will be the day you will know independance and true artistic talent. Go within your own heart and mind and imagine, for imagination is not made up of whatever arsenal is at your disposal, imagination is the make up of whatever you as an artist can conjur up even without any particular aids. Try to create a storyboard or idea of what you will make on canvas without even looking at your supplies or toys and then do exactly what comes from within and if you can pull this off even close enough to see your own vision, then, you will have learned much. If others can also attain even a hint of that same vision within your work, then you will have mastered a technique of your very own. A rare element of self style, self worth and self truth is only a good standalone paintbrush and a blank canvas away.

Thanks mabfairyqueen. I understand what you are saying, when I have time or getting "paid", I enjoy the same level of detail as it is required.

I Have learned that I will never become that which I resent.

I've learned that although it's proper to refer to more than one cactus as cacti, it's not proper to refer to more than one porpoise as porpi. I have learned that the correct Latin plural of penis is penes.

And I've learned that it's better to not ask someone like cambert thingslike "Why did you look that up?" - there's such a thing as too much information. ;]

You're only afraid to ask because you know I'll tell you :)

Precisely. I know when to be afraid. ;]

Hey BorisV. So are you saying that the only way we can create true individual art is if we take paint brush to canvas and don't involve the computer at all? (been there done that a lot and it's no more difficult and requires no more talent than what I do in 3D for some of my more complex pieces. I'll admit my character against a backdrop pieces are comparible to a quick comic art sketch using old fashioned medium.) Or are you saying that we have to draw out a story board first and then it's okay to reenact that story board using 3D elements and then call that art? Or are you saying either is okay as long as one is present?

Hey cam, saw a program on TV last night where that little snippet of information might come in handy. There was this Latin-American guy with two penes! In the interview, his wife said something like "when I saw him naked I didn't think there was anything wrong because he was the only man I had seen that way." Awwww. I'll be she wasn't complaining ;)

To use my dad's phrase, I'll bet she was as chuffed as a dog with two tails :)

I hope there isn't going to be a test, because now I don't know what I've learned.

I've learned that two wrongs are only the beginning. I've learned that when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I've learned that there is no job so simple it cannot be ballsed up. I've learned that there is no limit to how bad things can get. I've learned that no-one is listening until y ou make a mistake. (the above are from Murphy's Law) I've learned silence isn't always golden ... sometimes it's guilt I've learned a closed mouth gathers no feet.

I've learned that you can crib cliches out of this thread and put them to good use elsewhere. ;]

I've learned where to go to find all these cool cliches.