I see 3DGod. This boy, mourning at his fathers death, on the Sunday morning memorial service is "trash". So now we know. Your "compassion" is a fraud. The commentary is historical fact. Try reading a book, if you can. Though I suspect that's beyond your level of intelligence. But try anyways. Who knows. You might learn some truth.

Well 3DGod, at least I left my Etch-A-Sketch back in the 3rd grade. Seems like you havent moved beyond yours. LOL!

3D, why should we give you a break? What break do you give to anyone else? I quit trying to get through to your twisted mind, But now you have the nerve to post a flag that's fading and after a few remarks won't let anyone comment on your post? Let me tell you buddy, Americas colors wont run. EVER! Since you and your buddy think your so brave, why don't you spout this drivel in public? Try saying this stuff at a veterans parade? Or even better why don't you go down to the local bar and start singing the prasies of Ossama your buddy? Better have your insurance paid up though cause I think you might be needing it.

Silly big liar ... yes it is a TRASH Dear Amanda or Vethril what ever you like to call your self First of all I am a Muslim second , your a PURE LIAR I don't know why you want to change the real face of Islam !!!!! but I know that all what you said here is not right and very missy way to talk about Islam ... there is no deference between you and bin laden !!! both of you are using Islam for there own excuses. .... first of all the part that you take from the Quran in your image is not complete, and you just cut the first and the end of it and put ... three dots instead, why ??? because first it says fight who ever fights you and kill who kills you, but don't fight in the sacred months, then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolater ... and in the end it says " and if you FEEL that these people want piece then go for it, and be mercy with them because GOD is merciful and like mercy people . thats what Quran says, and nothing from what your talking about is right or even near to it, where are you from any ways ???? you even cant type English right ??? go and find another place to play, I think its better for you . slavery is prohibited in Islam killing for no reason is prohibited too, Islam says killing one human is like killing the hall nation . Mohammed didnt married a 6 years old girl , and he was a shepherd, very polite very honest, every body liked him, thats why they follow him . Very bad way from you to fight Islam. the only right thing that you said and for sure didnt do loool is to read the Quran, you will find that all what you said is not true. I swear you have a hand in the terrorist acts that happened in the states ????

Vethril, I salute your courage for this image. It definitely goes for the jugular, and I'm not referring to irrelevant little judgement-impaired pests like 3d. You have made some bold, telling statements about Islam that explain a lot -- like why, for example, Islamic republics are the most religiously repressive on Earth (for non-Islams, that is), moreso even than most communist regimes. Enemies of Islam have a way of disappearing, Vethril. Your bravery in the face of such evil is inpiring. Hey, all you Cipril-hoarding cowards out there, check out how a real American responds to terrorism!

By making polemic pictures or propaganda? Well, if that was the american answer I would not be so worried...

God bless, Vethril! Someone who finally sees, and states, the truth. mike

With all respect to you, Vethril - and I know you are a very nice person - you obviously never read the Quran and you don't have a clue about Arab and Islam history. I have many muslims friends - who are definetely NOT fanatics - I have learned a lot from them - and even if I don't share their opinions (I'm agnostic), I do know the Quran doesn't contain hate messages. I have read it. I hope you'll do it too.

saad no, June and a few others here, who seek to lecture me on the non violence of Islam. Well, here are some historical facts "you" should investigate, and perhaps enlighten yourself with. In recent times Moslem fanatics have murdered or attempted to murder many religious men of other faiths. Among the Hindus, the famous monks Swami Shraddhananda, Swami Dayananda, Ram Bholey of Mathura, Swami Prakashanandaii of Bangladesh have all been assassinated by Moslem fanatics. The attempted murder of the Pope is well known. The assailant was a Turk. Moslems also murder those among themselves who in their opinion are not Islamic enough. Thus we have another set of murders. Mujibur Rahman, Ziaur Rahman, both of Bangladesh, Abdus Samad Khan of India, Liaqet All Khan of Pakistan, Anwar Sadat of Egypt, King Abdullah of Jordan, the Liberal P.L.O. leader Sartawi, fall in this category. The murder of the Sikh Gurus by the Moslem kings of India is also well-known. This is history. Like the Christians of medival times, and their "Inquisition", murder is a way of removing obstacles to Islam. Christianity was forced to move past that medival mindset to advance it's agenda. Not so with Islam. So forgive me, but there are few raging groups of Christians, Hindu's or Buddists throughout america right now, with the intent of flying airliners into our tall buildings, to kill us 5000 at a time. They are middleastern men of Islam. And what they did on September 11th is their biggest mistake. It shows the true face of Islam today. For years, apologists for Islam have forcefully cowed anyone speaking out about it's true intent, and end game. No more. Not here in america. You will find your apologists among us, yes. But the true face of Islam's deceptions was revealed on that bright Tuesday morning. Islam has conquered it's way through history. Killed, murdered, and pillaged to extend it's reach. But it has never had a "jyhad" against a nation like america. That will be it's downfall.

To saad no: Just wondering something..... Since you say you are Muslim, can you explain to me WHY Muslims do nothing to stop people like bin Laden? And WHY when we try to do something about it do you say we are wrong? I want you to know I have nothing against Muslims. I have known many. I know that real Islam is not what people like the taliban profess to believe in. But I am really confused as to why when those types murder, maim, and beat women in the streets of Kabul, why no other Muslim nation stands up to them. I just figure if you are going to blame Vethril right alongside the terrorists, then I must blame you as well for not doing anything to stop them. It's about time the Islamic world steps up to the plate and cleans it's own house. If Muslims don't like the USA killing terrorists, they had better take care of business themselves, don't you think?

Hey Guys.I just heard thru the grape vine that 2DDork and Putrid Meat and Haapy Yes have formed their own terrorist group.....apparently their plan of action is to hijack a 747 and crash into the Pyramids.............wot a bunch of fukwits...Good on you Vethril......I know nothing of the Koran even tho I was born in Morocco.....to English/Spanish parents......and Mitsukais comments are worth a fortune....3DGod..u want a break?.........walk backwards off a cliff.............

My children are both rich in the heritage of the people you speak of Silvermage. They are part Mohican. So don't lecture me on native american issues. I will remember your words, especially if my son or daughter go "shopping" in a mall, and are struck by these enemies you laud. I guess I am less than perfect to you. I loved and married a marvelous man who was of native american heritage. But...scince I am sicilian, who's ancestors have only been here 3 generations, I am guilty of the heartbreak wrought by the Trail of Tears.

Silvermage: Their is not ONE country in this world that is not built on the graves of someone before them, so skip the pathetic history retoric and look in your own back yard!

"Their is not ONE country in this world that is not built on the graves of someone before them, so skip the pathetic history retoric and look in your own back yard!" Isn`t that a bit cheap, ppowellaa? Silvermage, I fully agree with you. I am just not sure if this is the right time to tell Americans that a holocaust was not just a terrible moral downfall in their otherwise rich and fascinating history (as is somewhat described in the case of Germany in the holocaust museum in Washington DC) but that genocide formed an integral part in the very nation building process of the USA. You will search in vain for any slavery or native american genocide museum along constitution avenue. If public opinion in the US has failed to face this until now I doubt that Americans will be ready to come to terms with it now. Then better stick with the cowboy retoric of Dubbya. Thats what the people are used to. Anything else will only confuse them.

@silvermage: What you said regarding my forefathers I consider to be meanspirited and bigotted. How dare you, with a broad stroke, say all American's ancestors killed native americans and therefore guilty. (Don't deny it that is exactly what your stating) Were the quakers guilty? The Amish? How about those families that never left the East Coastl, especially the mass immigration of the late 1800s? Your logic can be used in the saying that all Germans were Nazis, all Italians are connected to the mafia.

Dear Seven Wolves, I'v send you an answer for your question ...waiting for your replay . and for you Vethril here is my comment : Its very clear that you have no idea at all about what your talking about !!!! King Abdullah was killed by Palestinians and Islam have nothing with him, Anwar al sadat was killed from Egyptians because he was trying to sill palatine to the Jewish .. what is wrong with you !!!! Since you admit that you didnt read the Quran that gave no meaning to all what your talking about !!! And since you are trying to stick any crime that happened in the world to Islam , Let me ask you some questions ... What was the religion of timothy mcveigh ?? What was the religion of who killed john Kennedy ?? How many innocent Muslims had been killed in the Crusades and why ?? How many innocent Japanese had been killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ?? How many innocent Muslim die every day in palatine tell now ??? How many innocent Muslim die every day in IRAQ tell now and why ?? Sorry but I cant talk any more cause all that is feeling me sick, killing an innocent is wrong, thats politics and they like to run it this way ... Dont ever try to blame a religion, cause every body knows that killing is prohibited in all the religions of GOD.

Vethril I apologize for the words I spoke in ignorance. I am also sorry for your loss. Please remember who the enemy is, a misguided lost madman, not a religion. All life is precious. No killing of inocents is justified. May your wounds heal and forgivness find its way back to your soul.

Come on, more people have died on this planet from wars led by people that claimed to be Christians than from any other group by far. Give me a BIG break, this time.

3D, this is not about religion. Yes, Christians as a religion don't have their hands clean. No religion is perfect, no matter how much they strive to be. But again, this isn't about religion per se so much as the twisted view that a small-minded bunch have regarding it. If Bin Laden and the Taliban were, say, Christian, they'd have used Jesus' attack on the moneylenders at the temple as their raison d' guerre to blow up the tower. If they worshipped M&Ms, they'd take the fact that the color red was taken out for years as their excuse to attack the WTC and Pentagon. When all is said and done, they are a bunch of thugs who need some kind of pointless validation for them to do what they do; religion just happens to be their weapon of choice (entendre intended). It could have easily been something else. To wit: if they're so adamant about the "Godless, materialistic society" we live in, why aren't the Amish bombing buildings? Why aren't the Buddhists on slaughterfests? Why aren't Muslims in Malaysia, Singapore and other parts of the world standing beside them? It's pure, plain and simple: it's because the Taliban isn't preaching the word of Allah, it's preaching a tome of bullshit, the type of lethal, dangerous tripe that is our duty to stop.

SaiyaRob in an odd way that leaves us with similar questions for each other. Although, I am old enough to understand you can't point a finger from a country that instigated WWII at a country that is now defending itself. In addition to that, you cannot singularly condemn a country for defending itself while your country and others have committed troops for the same goal. It's easy and vogue to point your finger at America, it's quite popular to direct it at us instead of looking at yourself. It's also quite in style to come running when someone needs help, not just with war. Someday, we'll tire of the kick us then ask us for help syndrome. Oh yeah, this terrorism thing, it's that time. So make sure you believe what you say and it is worth fighting for because you may have the chance.

SaiyaRob. We disagree here in America, I don't recall nukes falling as a disagreement in a debate, that's rather immature to even suggest, actually typically phobic and irrational. I don't recall thinking we're perfect. If you think, we think everyone agrees with us, I guess you think we don't read messageboards. But I can promise you, anytime anyone might fly planes into buildings in our country they will pay for it, even if they are American. We look at ourselves no less than you do. Since we're talking about any topic, Germany still owes us billions of dollars so you do in fact ask us constantly for something. Your students are here, you want to sell your cars here, you want to buy things made here, you have people here on visas, you have business here, you are part of the UN that says we must defend you if attacked... so yes, you do ask us for something, the benefit and military assistance of the economy and lifestyle of the country you seem to despise. Yeh, we might ask once and now you think you've got something on us, figures. I'd be happy to oblige you though, I'll have to write my Congressman and suggest it.

Ooh 3d...IRemember the word of Mr. Bush who said " Who is not with us is against us..."??And he said that USA will attack anyone who is against them. See there is no choise. There is no neutral.Sad for those who dont fully agree. But its war isnt it? So please go on after destroying Afghanistan and take Iraq, Paltina...(Uh dont forget the greek, I heard them talking bad about you...) Sorry about my sarkasm but what you say makes me wonder if to laugh or to cry when reading all that ignorant, arrogant attitudes towards the rest of the world showing up here. The worst thing is that other countries follow your example. Look at Israel.They declared Paltina as terrorists and started to bomb innocent people.Talking now is over.But its the only way we have to create a peaceful world. Do you really think war can do that? Oh Mann ihr tut mir echt leid mit eurer Engstirnigkeit...

I may be new, and I may be late on this one but I just have to say this. I would love to see a couple of these people go out to Camp Pendleton and start spouting off their views. I REALLY REALLY would. I think it would be quite enjoyable. Tell it to the Marines, see what they have to say. Another thing I have to say is this: How soon we forget. I guarantee that certain persons would be thinking much, much differently if one of their family members/loved ones was killed senselessly the way these people were. But that's just my opinion. Thank you freedom of speech, even if it does give idiots the freedom to spout off crap. That's what it's all about, I'm sure some of you out there think IM an idiot. Vethril, your image is beautiful, moving and telling. Thank you for sharing it with us.

This is the very type of mentality that leads to aggression like what happened on 11th September 2001. "When your enemy strikes your left cheek, turn unto them the right also"

Osama bin Laden was on CIA payrolls back in the times he slaughtered the soviets and Saddam Hussein was sponsored by the Pentagon to kill the persians in Iran. Sometimes evil comes back to its origin and this is not Mecca, but the Pentagon.