Gibson Girl 1 by dbwalton
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Gibson Girl 1
There's a lot of whining going on in both the media, artist community and online forums as to whether AI is art, or has it's place at all.
For some background, I started painting with oil paints back around 1965. My paternal grandmother was an artist and that's how she made her living back in the 30s-70s. She taught me how to mix colors. Later, I operated a portrait studio doing BOTH photographic and painted portraits for 20 years AFTER retiring from a technical job where I worked as an engineer - mostly with computers at the firmware level and Layers 2-4 OSI-ISO levels in networking. As a result, I've seen and work professionally at both technology and art.
In the late 70s, I was interviewing with a guy who asked where I saw myself in 5 years professionally. When I mentioned microprocessor chips, he interrupted and said, "They have no place in the real computing world and will never amount to anything other than arcade games."
Will AI replace artists - NEVER. Is it a tool for artist? YES, as well as a technology tool.
The AI backgrounds I've provided in Free Stuff don't involve the work of others, and while they are "computer generated", they require careful consideration as to the words (operators) and conjunctive phrases (operands, like "and" and "or") to create a meaningful set of prompt words. These prompt words feed in to finite state automata states (FSA) as the input. And, depending the script inside the FSA, that automata can only do a specific function and provide an output based on its input.
As part of this, I've provided a high-level view of an FSA that's fairly complex that generates a wall with windows based on the prompt words fed in to it. As you see from that FSA (which looks like a massive flowchart) that computer generated art simply isn't going out and grabbing others work and cramming together copyrighted art from the Internet. HOWEVER, there are those cases where that does happen.
The question is, for you younger artists, do you want to be left in the dust as the world embraces AI art engines?
Or do you want to get ahead of the curve and take a course in Finite State Automata to understand how they work, and scripting (various languages are being used out there, such as Python), so that YOU have control over the results so you can make them unique to your style?
But, ah, yes... microprocesses will never amount to anything, or so I was told 50 years ago.
And, I'll leave you with this...
The Library of Congresses has decided, for now, that ALL AI generated images are in the public domain. Whether you see that as good or bad, that's where copyright laws are currently. (In the case where someone, like this Gibson Girl render, a piece of AI was used as the background, copyrights then belong to the creator of the render.)
Comments (7)
ladylake
VERY well said, friend.
Nice image also. :-)
dbwalton
Thank you.
How's the birthday boy?
I ate too much sushi, and now paying the cost of that over-eating feeling.
ladylake
He's fine. On to another decade. lol
RodS
Your Gibson Girl is very lovely, and the BG is so perfect for her - AI or not.. And..
I stand corrected. 😉 I fully confess to being one of those 'whiners' although I hope I wasn't the worst at the party. LOL I have to admit I did do some playing around with MidJourney and Wombo - and probably would still be doing so if they didn't want a chunk of my SS check every month. One of those play-bits is here:
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/3074695/this-is-nuts
I guess part of my reaction to it is partly due to the fact I'm a rabid perfectionist, at least as far as my art goes. I will normally spend hours on one piece (sometimes DAYS in the case of a page from my TNA story), and seeing something - beautiful as it may be - generated by a few carefully (or not carefully) placed words, and a press of the 'enter' key, and a few minutes, if not seconds, kinda got under my skin.
But there are 2 sides to every story / issue, and reading things like you have placed here opens the window a bit and lets the fresh air in - along with a fresh look. Thank you for reminding me of that. And I promise to not be such a 'grumpy old man' going forward! LOL
I would most likely use those AI apps for backgrounds or bits and pieces of a larger work. And I definitely disagree with the Library of Congress's ruling of all AI being in the public domain.. I can kind of understand where they're coming from - being generated by computers (with those microchips that weren't good for anything but video games) ans lines of code. But it still doesn't seem fair, IMO.
That FSA makes me dizzy... Lots and lots of nodes there!
dbwalton
Hey, RodS,
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
I usually don't visit the forums, but someone brought one of your posts to my attention. I made a suggestion in the suggestion forum about implementing a "block user" feature. I really believe that would address the issues you brought up and some of the others' gripes about AI.
When I took Finite State Automata Theory in college, I just loved it. But, I've been a geek since way back when I was playing with vacuum tubes and huge capacitors crossing my fingers I wouldn't burndown the place. LOL
Yes, I posted that one specifically because it was BUSY and dizzy-making just to illustrate to folks that AI isn't all about saying something like, "Paint me a picture that looks like art by _____," and then getting a result 30 seconds later.
I taught my wife how to use one of the engines and she worked from about 8pm until 2am. When I got up in the morning, she was all excited to show me how she could now create realistic looking gnomes. Quick and easy? Hardly. Her first attempts were creating creatures that resembled nothing like a short little garden gnome, but some ugly thing my 6 year old granddaughter could paint.
It's going to take an act of Congress, and it will probably be 2000 pages of garbage nobody can understand that governs the copyrighting of legitimate AI that is truly a creation of the person doing the work. And, yes, people who type in stuff like Greg Rutkowski and generate something that is obviously cut-n-paste from several of his works and then use them in video games should have their feet held to the fire (aka taken to court by Greg Rutkowski for copyright infringement.)
But time will tell.
In the mean time, just remember what I was told... Microcomputers will never amount to anything other than arcade games. :D
Brent
contedesfees
Great portrait.
Walter Benjamin's 1935 essay, "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction," proposes that mechanical reproduction devalues the "aura" of an objet d'art. What he would have thought of digital art and AI is anyone's guess, but I doubt that he would have approved. (Admittedly, his approval is scarcely the final word on art.)
dbwalton
Well, no one has the first or last word on art. That's why art is so varied in it's many forms.
Thank you for sharing this.
Saby55
Great realism my friend. Very alluring portrait 👍🙋♂️
dbwalton
Thanks. She's a new character I purchased from DAZ.
JoeJarrah
Fascinating and thought provoking.