whell, the real world is a great place to be in, and i gladly give it my full attention... but.. from time to time i use my skills in graphics to render stuff... unfortunatelly i was always too lazy to learn advanced modelling in 3d... but i have a lot of experience in about everything else in graphics progs having worked in the area of graphic design... combining 3d with Photoshop... as for 3d "art" renders..i'm again too lazy to get around to it more often and usually start a lot of projects at once and only finish about 1%of them... that 1% though usually looks good ;)