I think you should just reinstate the AI gallery, but restrict it. If it's an AI image set, you get 1 gallery post for the image and its variants, but you have post all similar images (variations of the same subject) onto the 1 gallery post. Also, maybe have a setting in the "new image" to either allow or disallow looking at AI images, or just not have AI images show up in the "new" gallery at all - you have to deliberately go to the AI gallery to look at it. That way you avoid the "flood" of AI images and people can look over images that people have put more detailed work into and get comments on, which is what artists need to grow in skill. Mind you, there are a couple of people flooding the new section with the same subject with multiple Poser and DS variations of the same subject right now, which I think shows a huge lack of consideration for the other artists on the forum. They shall remain nameless here but you know what I'm talking about. A daily flood of the same thing. I just don't look at those and move on. Should those be banned somehow because I don't like them? Nope. But I don't think you're going to get rid of AI just by wanting it to be so, and I'm OK with seed images worked over by AI, or the use of software that integrates Poser or DS with an AI engine. That's kind of showing some ingenieuity actually. That's what you have going on now. I've worked with AI images for a while, and you DO have to put work into them to get something that looks like you want. If you think you can just write a quick few sentences and get something great looking, or at least close to what you want, you're mistaken. It's a new thing that people are figuring out how to work with. Heck, dip a toe into it yourself and you'll see.

I quote: " It always makes us better." Indeed. Every time I try to post a suggestion I end up getting banned for a week. Such as the suggestion I posted in the 'Suggestion Box" Forum regarding the rapidly increasing number of repetitive images uploaded to the galleries every single day.by the same 4 - 5 individuals. I had to wade through three pages of it in the "New Art" section today. We sorely need a lower daily limit. Please.

What a ludicrous comment from "akorinsikenkoy" - "Oh Snap...This user has no site activity" - I am a Renderosity member and artist since 2005 and I make for some time AI-Images too, and because some artists here also do AI, for what reason ever, their artistic skills and works are maligned, that's not okay.

Yep, lots of good points and suggestions. First off, AI, is non-contact replication, not handmade art. Yes, there is a human director, however the cast, crew, grips, costumer, model makers, stylists and painters are all R2D2. The medium is also not 3D in any sense, of creating the virtual diorama's, that 3D artist create. That being said, although it's handmade art, neither is photography. Photography has a gallery and it gets points, how many pics of the same thing can I snap in a second, upload and get points for. If we tour that gallery though, it's beautiful and no apparent flooding. That's art and the sense of respect for art. Repetitive imaging in any gallery is disrespectful and boring. I believe a critical comment may be in order or scroll on. Now, if R2D2 spits out a pleasing image, the director had spouted, then by all means one might want to share. So, give it a gallery but do let us all comment, on R2's work. The monetary aspect of points is completely at the discretion of Rendo but level should be the field. If it doesn't contribute to the 3D art form and the publishers here, should points be awarded? Probably not. Should Rendo continue to host all mediums in the gallery? Of course it should.

I feel like AI generated images should only be allowed in art communities once the AI tools manage to create databases that are completely ethical in their sourcing of training images. As it stands now, each and every one of us who create art are entitled to feel stolen or at the very least ripped off when these databases can and will just snatch our images that are very much NOT marked with a license for others to create things using part of them, which is very much how AI generative imagery works.

8 a day can be rather overwhelming; how about 4 max?

I think I am a pretty level-headed, sensible person but I am tired of all of this . Let's be honest here. There are lot of people here using AI and just not saying so. We were told to say it was Mixed Medium and give brief explanation as to what was done. I have tried my darndest to comply with the rules but SO many are not doing that. They put their images under Other Apps or such. But the worst offenders, in my opinion, are those that skate by just by being a Prime Member. They don't have to say anything about their artwork. Maybe have a separate box that can be checked showing that they are Prime Members in addition to what programs they are using. As far as Photoshop AI just being a tool for those that use other programs. Well, that is like saying you are "little bit pregnant": You are either using AI or you are not. And as far as typing a few words to get a good image......someone said 12 images a minute. Let me tell you it is much harder than that. I spend hours getting something I think is worth posting. For those of us that like using AI, hide us in another part of the site that you hope no one will visit, put more restrictions on what we can do, don't let us enter contests/etc. You will probably eventually force us out but you will be the dinosaurs left posting here. No one is saying you have to use AI, use whatever you wish but be tolerant of others. Is that too much to ask??????

The sentence "with little or no artistic effort" is curious. I thought it was in the essence of tools like Daz Studio: you as a non-skilled person purchase 3rd. part assets and assemble a scene until you are satisfied. I'm a 3D vendor, and I'm also creating my own Graphic Novel using AI trained with my 3D models. Book 1 was the result of intense artistic effort, I can assure you. Maybe you should create a specific AI gallery where people can post what they want.

I've had a bit of a change of heart lately. It seems to me that since some have said that "true" artists should be the ones that express themselves here, that I now think that only those that work manually (unassisted, with their hands) in physical media such as oil painters, sketch artists, sculptors and the like are true artists, and only their real-world products are art. My brain does not have the ability to translate real-world objects into 2 dimensions, though my dexterity could probably pull it of if I did. But, I was simply not gifted in that unique and special way! Therefore: Any Poser, Photoshop, etc work (and occasional AI) that I have done and posted here is simply NOT ART. And the same should go for others, even if, say, they are limited by their eyesight, or their hands don't have the dexterity to sculpt or paint, and could only click a mouse or type keys. It should all just go then, shouldn't it? They should not sully true art with their pedestrian methods. All electronically generated items are simply wrong, because they were generated by a machine with someone typing keys or clicking a mouse, not by true and correct means such as the brush, canvas, or sculptor's tools. Thank you for letting my low talent be expressed here, as inadequate as the words typed in this post.

Art is completely subjective, no matter the medium. You express or capture the vision, sound, sensation or any information to any medium in creative work, that's art. It could suck, it could rule the world but art has no gatekeepers, save the critic. 3D art here, as a Market though, requires people, people, I'll say it again, people. No market no site, no gallery. no matter the medium. 3D art requires people, from start to finish in every element of very 3D render. What will bring them here and keep them interested, in the primary medium that keeps the lights on? Arguing about what art is, ain't it folks. AI itself is art. Has a place, as per my previous post. This site however, is run on 3D art supplies made by people for people making 3D art. That's the cake, everything else is icing.

....oh hey, forgot one thing: Photography is most certainly not art either. I mean, all you need to do is press just one button and that little slice of reality is rendered perfectly. The machine does all the work!

spdskool, you are correct the site is run on 3D art supplies/etc. And you need people that buy those products to make that work. But if that is all it takes why let the Photography gallery exist, or the 2D gallery , and at least a couple of others. Why let there be a Free Stuff gallery of items? Because maybe just maybe some of the folks that have images in the other galleries might purchase something. It's a way of advertising. So why try to run off a portion of that potential buyers pool? (Just so you know, whenever I get a few reward points accumulated I gift them to someone I know will buy something with them. Maybe something higher priced than they normally would.) If flooding the New Art Gallery is a problem......just limit the number you can post in a day. In today's posting I saw at least one person posting multiple images that are nearly alike and they were NOT AI images.

Hello ladylake, if you read both my posts, you’ll know I’m all for multi medium gallery’s. You’ll know, I’m not for spam in any gallery. I pointed out how photography, gets points for posts so, no problem for AI posts. My concern is bringing and keeping people here. So pretty much onside with you.

I think a much smaller limit on daily posting of images and completely do away with reward points would help. Maybe even vendors would be under the posting limit (with 4 or 5 limit on multiples under that posting if they wish). But let AI postings have all the same rights as other mediums as far as galleries and New Art/etc. Rethinking the Art Chart might also help. Really all pretty simple and fair fixes I would think. (Just an afterthought....do you think anyone at Admin really reads what we say and considers it or do they just close the thread after a while and think "well that should keep them quiet for awhile". :-))))

I'm gong to toss my 2 cents in this. I used AI for a little over a year. It was fun, at first. But then I began to notice artifacts that I had no doubt were signatures. In my searches I found a number of artists who have lost business to AI. I stumbled upon an article in a major news site of one of the AI companies admitting that they used coyrighted materials in training with no permission or compensation to the artists whose works they basiclaly stole. Sure, I made backgrounds with AI but minus ANY artist named for style. I also spent a LOT of time with those in Photoshop cleaning them up and adding details with painting. But I'm done with AI. I've deleted all the AI images I made from my gallery here, and I will (when I have time) delete them from my art site as well. I might leave large AI stock images up for a $1, but chances are, not. Why am I done with AI? It's boring. There is absolutely zero artistic challenge to these images unless you paint over the ENTIRE image yourself, using the AI as just a base. Or blend it with 3D, photo manips, or anything else that once again, changes the entire image. I'm sorry but pure AI alone and by itself is not made by an artist. It's made by a machine with the person involved simply describing what they want it to do, much in the same way one commissions an artist to make a custom image. Sure, one might have muiltple iterations of the same image to get to a specific point, but it's still made by a machine. And as to the arguement that so is 3D, yes, to a very, very limited degree. I choose the lighting, I decide the subject precisely, I chose the camera angle, the textures, all of it, right up to the render. And afterward, I enhance that image in Photoshop. It's not uncommon for me to spend 1 or 2 days on just perfecting that lighting. But I'm the one setting it all up, not the machine. It takes hours, sometimes days, not seconds for me to produe an image. Sure, there are people that open a pre-arranged file, point, click render. Frankly, I don't really see them as artists either. Making art is something that comes from one's heart and soul, from inspiration found in life everywhere and anywhere. You pour a little piece if yourself into every image you make. Machines cannot do that. Only people can.

AI is a tsunami. To ignore or attempt to restrain it is foolish. I see an ai image uploaded to my gallery yesterday has already been taken down. I also see some of my non ai images that were in my gallery for months are now not to be found. Who authorised that Renderosity?? Not I for certain!

I have noticed a lot of AI-generated images I can tell straight away by just looking at the background of some of the artwork and it is so easy to create a background image to a part of a rendered image just by typing a few words and keywords in online FREE AI creators I have dabbled with them and it is ridiculous and so easy to put some kind of background together and I think this is not artwork and no time as been put into the artwork of the creation this AI needs to be stopped in my opinion. 🚫

I'm wondering what will be the policy now that Daz AI Studio is a thing. How will images using that be handled here? Allowed? Only permitted (with certain conditions/limitations) under Mixed Medium, etc.? Or banned altogether since even though created from Daz 3d models, it's all done via their AI program? Perhaps a review is in order.

"AI images posted without explanation will be removed by our moderation team..." Really? 😏