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Subject: Where is the AOY Poll?
Did anyone save the poll and all the announcements (ur, mistakes?) about it? I can find no rules posted anywhere about this contest, other than this on the AOM page: "What is AOY? At the end of the year, one of the artist of the month will be selected for the title of Artist of the Year. (The prize will be announced closer to the event." While this doesn't say it will be a public vote, neither does it say the mods and admins will decide. Contests in which prizes of value are given away are supposed to have clear and concise rules. And they are not supposed to change midstream. Seems like this has happened before, though. Perhaps Renderosity should hire a contest consultant to keep them legal?
Whats all the fuss about ???
Since man has decided to live in social groups and considered "voting" as a proper way of reaching a collective desicion, cheating has been part of it.
It is very natural and human also, that "Community leaders"
take "care"of individuals they believe in not to be good for the community.(Otherwise there would not be facilities for social correction)
History shows us that its done all the time,everywhere.
Is that fair ? Nope, but Mother Nature never developed the concept of "Fairness " in the harsh struggle for survival.
The Question asked is : Does it work sufficiantly to survive ?
Rosity has done a fair job on that, otherwise it would not exist.
As long as community members, even if angry, support it
and are willing to benefit from the services as well as live with the backdraws it must be considered as "Fit".
Everyone, not happy with what happend, still supporting
the community may it be with art, freebies and comments(qualified or not) is at least "Tolerating" the way it works and i doubt if thats any better than the actual cheating(if there was any cheating in the first place which just seems obvious but is not prooved), talking of ethics that is.
I have voted for AOY(not Legume lol) AND IM NOT HAPPY about not beeing considerd fit for Voting, but then again , seeing this desicion in the hand of someone deniying the puplic the right to vote instead of faking a set of stats decently to reach a goal,( i have seen that done elsewhere and no one noticed)
makes me see this with humor.
It would have spared them a lot of trouble and us folks a lot of writing,
shit happens
Dj
Cheryle, "IIRC mods do NOT nominate for AOM, the members do " Actually, the Mods nominate the AOM artists and then we get to vote on the ones they chose. We used to be able to nominate artists for the AOM but after Legume won one month, the Administration changed the rules to make damn sure someone like HIM didn't ever win again. They changed the rules for the AOM because of Legume and now, it seems, they are changing them again. We vote for the AOM out of the Artists that the mods nominate so why in the heck is it that we don't get to vote for the AOY out of all the AOM winners. It is totally ridiculous to do it any other way which proves to me that somthing hokey is going on !
Public polls set up by mistake? If that is true, this site is truly run by amateurs. If it's not true, it's even worse, since they are lying to us... We have seen the pattern before (remember "the Big Merchant Forum Screw-Up"): 1. Amateurism and bad business decisions are exposed up-front to the members. 2. The members get angry. 3. Even more amateurism and lack of interpersonal skills are used to give lame excuses for what happened. 4. Members get more angry. (Repeat and fade...) Will the Renderosity staff and management ever learn?
And if it was a mistake how come it was up for almost 3 days???????????
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More like if they don't tow the line they will be spending Christmas in the job centre. The blame must ultimately lay with the Organgrinder not the Monkeys, and as it is the season of good will, I can only wish them the best of luck with their moral compromises. Now that I know that any accolade won here is totally worthless there is no longer any reason to bother about the outcome of AOY or any other glittering prize-fest on this site. "The price of everything and the value of nothing"? "God bless us, everyone!"
More like if they don't tow the line they will be spending Christmas in the job centre. The blame must ultimately lay with the Organgrinder not the Monkeys, and as it is the season of good will, I can only wish them the best of luck with their moral compromises. Now that I know that any accolade won here is totally worthless there is no longer any reason to bother about the outcome of AOY or any other glittering prize-fest on this site. "The price of everything and the value of nothing"? "God bless us, everyone!"
Okay - i usually don't make any comments and stand aside when people argue about things like this. As far as i'm concerned - i don't give a **** if i was in that voting or not. The thing, why i'm at renderosity anyway is that i like to publish my "vicky templated **" for others to see. If the people like it - it's their "problem" really. :) Funny thing was that i didn't even knew this voting existed (since i don't read the frontpage that often LOL). One of my friends said to me that there's a vote for the AoY at Renderosity, just few hours before they pulled it out. Now, what pisses me off the most here is the fact, that i've been accused to be some sort of commerical puppet for renderosity - now that's the biggest **** i've heard for a long time. I don't get paid to publish my art here!!!! And for the Legume : I know that you've put up a campaing for people to vote you. I did that too on my site, as matter affact, the very same night when the poll was pulled out LOL so i guess i was a bit late for gaining votes from my campaing LOL. And IMHO - I don't mind you winning the voting - you do some original stuff instead of those stupid used up templates. And as for the voting : The public knows how to select the winner, if they are allowed to do so! So, it has been a very interesting debate and i hope it has a meaning too... It would be nice to be a Artist Of The Year - but not like this :| Besides, what difference does it make - i wouldn't gain anything about the nomination, except for the whole lotta cr that would be poured down on me if i won under this sort of circumstances.
ToxicAngel--you're right, and it's too bad; you probably would've won had things been allowed to run their course. I'm guessing the larger community would have rallied around and voted you in--which would've been fine; your work is technically amazing, and reflects the best of the prevailing aesthetic here. You said it best: "The public knows how to select the winner, if they are allowed to do so!"
My apologies if what I am about to say maybe steps on anyones' toes or causes anyone any form of grief. Although I might agree with the passion for members wishing to vote on their favorite artist of the year, is this not perhaps taking things a little to extremes? My goodness, I cannot believe the bitterness a possible little err "can" make; it does not take much to get folks aroused around here at all sometimes. Has the spirit of the season left everyone, or am I just imagining the ignorance here? So many are all very quick to defrock this place over something and make a bigger hackjob out of it all than it ever may really have been, and yet, have any of you ever thought that you all sound just like the "contraversy" you seem to accuse this place of? I have seen "instigators" in action before but some members here do have their very profound expertese. Although I can comprehend a concern in one way, I also believe that this might all well be a little far streeeeeeetched for entertainment value and motive based for a few at the sites expense and a bit of credibility bashing factor. Is this a delightful thought at Holiday Time or what?? Such goodwill among a forum full of otherwise creative, passionate, sensitive and sharing artistic members is almost too hard to swallow..give them a break will ya? I will not even mention what this does now to all those nominated and, "heavens", the outcome winner of all this at the end; nothing like taking away the feeling of "pride and joy" right from those that would deserve all this honor if that honor wasn't now so "undermined" and laced with contraversy for the benefit of some that seem to look for ulterior hanky panky. I suppose I did mention it, oh well. I ask you to think about how all these nominated artists must feel now, nevermind the site, now that all the signifigance of this contest might be reduced to a bag of wind to many rather than the sincere honor it all should have been. For so many artists, the ability to inspire seems to be very lacking among too many; if anything this kind of stuff can suck the inspiration value right out of any artist, or contest. This stuff would have been much better all done via e-mails or behind the scenes rather then openly devalueing so many and such an incredible honor.
"Do you really want to close this place 'cause of one poll?" Good Lord no. Who said anything about closing the place? I just want them to treat all members equally. You should, too. BillyJ--I'm certainly not responsible for "taking away the feeling of "pride and joy" right from those that would deserve all this honor if that honor wasn't now so "undermined" and laced with contraversy for the benefit of some that seem to look for ulterior hanky panky." That distinction lies with the admins--they yanked the poll, not me. "This stuff would have been much better all done via e-mails or behind the scenes..." That's happening, too, but my experience here has taught me that making a bit of a stink in public makes it much harder for the admins to ignore you.
Before you run off half-cocked to some lawyer, let me ask this. Was there anything more than a poll? Because honestly, all I get out of this was that the admin asked the members who they thought should be AoY. That does not constitute a contest. It had no mention of prizes or how the contest was to be decided (if there was even one planned), so how can there be fraud???
You know, beyond that, it really hurts me to see such hatred toward the community because of what you think the PTB did. There is so much good that comes out of this community, that it more than overshadows these small oversights. But I guess you all don't care about that. You just want to play the hero that brought justice to the "bad" guys. If it destroys the community, not your problem, right?
Court cases are expensive and messy, and often end in small sites (relatively) like this one being destroyed both financially and personally. But, hey not your money, and maybe not even your loss. After all, there are hundreds of art sites, eh? Or is this a ploy for another site to take over as Rosity's replacement?
I think Rosity should just dispense with the AoY, award a cash prize to all the AoM people and be done with it...But I guess that wouldn't be as much fun to watch, would it?
ShadowWind
"You just want to play the hero that brought justice to the "bad" guys. If it destroys the community, not your problem, right?" Please. Nobody's destroying the community--just trying to get the management to take a closer look at itself. All members should be treated equally, period. What's your deal, ShadowWind? Doesn't it bug you that a fellow member is being treated unfairly? "I think Rosity should just dispense with the AoY, award a cash prize to all the AoM people and be done with it...But I guess that wouldn't be as much fun to watch, would it?" Sounds good to me. OR, here's a revolutionary thought--why not just reinstate the polling and see what happens?
Hell Im ok with doing away with AOY, AOM, hot 20 and all the other popularity contests. THey dont mean squat if they arent run fairly. And nothing against Toxic Angel either. Your work is amazing and you would have made a very fine AOY. For that matter so would have Legume. The thing is, in the past AOY was voted on by the membership. THe poll was posted for 3 days this year. Now all of a sudden the admin decided that they would choose who AOY is because the artist THEY wanted MIGHT not win. Remember Toxic was still in the lead and there was plenty of voting left to go. He very well might have won. Hell someone might have come from behind and taken it, it was a difficult decision to vote for one artist they all were good! Now there are NO winners. It has become a sham. DO I want to see Rosity go down in flames? NO. Am I pissed that I took the time to vote and now am told my vote doesnt count? You're damned right!
Mosca,
I don't know how to answer that without violating the TOS in my reply. I have nothing against Legume, and as I said, he does controversy better than anyone, BUT, I'm sorry I can't feel bad for his being treated unfairly. He's said several times that his goal was to piss people off. Several people I knew were victims of the Joke Patrol and left. Were they treated fairly? So if that is the tact that he's chosen, then he's got to be realize it might come back to haunt him some time. I just see this as cause and effect and Renderosity trying to avoid still another venture into this whole mess that seems to continue every few months.
Again, did Rosity screw up? That depends on what was said on that screen. Do you have a right to bitch? Of course, never said you didn't. I just don't think that getting the courts involved is worth anything but the destruction of this community.
ShadowWind
"I just don't think that getting the courts involved is worth anything but the destruction of this community." You won't find me advocating legal action in any of these threads. My hope is that R'osity will listen to what the member-customers are saying and do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because the State of Tennessee is making them.
Shadowwind it's not just this- it's every time! every time they run a contest they do this. Nothing catches their attentio nm you see things the way you do and will deal with them the way you think you must, and so will i. A little attention would not hurt this place one bit- it would not be the destruction of this place.
Well shadow I think too much has been made of who the winner might be and not enough on the fairness of what happened. No one will be a winner here. There were more contestants than Legume and Toxic. Whos to say one of the other artists wouldnt have won? Voting had only been going on for a couple(3?)days. There were many great artists there, I know it was hard for me to chose just one. So who would have or should have won is secondary to how the contests on this site are run. Right now I dont think anyone believes that the contests here will be run fairly without bias. I know I dont. Rosity just negated everyone who took the time to vote. Are there prizes for AOY this year? I dont know, there were in the past. Is there a lawsuit looming over this? I dont know but there is certainly the possibility. My question would be, why is it soooooo hard for Rosity to do ANYTHING anymore without screwing it up? It doesnt take a genius to figure out that when you start a poll for AOY, then take away the members chance to vote there will be a big stink about it. Why can we see that but admin cant?
Well do what you must, but having seen court cases rip sites like this apart first hand, and not always winning judgements, I just urge you to think very carefully about whether reporting these to authorities is worth the cost Cheryle.
I agree Mosca that this shouldn't escalate that high. However, what the customer-members want is a matter of perspective. We only know what's going on in these threads. We don't know what is being said in other venues, by email, IM, etc, by other members who may be on the other side of this issue and be just as passionate as you are. Someone is going to be disappointed at the end of this, which is why I think they should quit while they are behind and reward prizes to all AoM winners. Putting back the poll at this point is not going to give a fair shot to anyone. Too much press, to much excitement to ever get an honest assessment. So the right thing, may not be my interpretation, your interpretation or anyone elses.
And yes Cheryle, I agree, that getting rid of these would solve a lot of their problems, since people can't seem to play nice on either side of the playground...
And this is the last I'm gonna say on this matter. It's not in our hands now, but the PTB, so I'm just gonna have my holiday and try to be worry free...
Laterz
ShadowWind
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"I call on Renderosity to re-open the public vote for AoY. To do anything else at this point is to lend credence to the suspicions that have been raised, regardless of what the actual reason for the closing of the vote was." Well said. I second that emotion.