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Subject: What's up with the attitude?!


JettBoy ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 6:29 PM · edited Sat, 11 January 2025 at 5:34 AM

Just a quick 'lil rant here, kids. The JettBoy has noticed, primarily in the context of some really nasty personal attacks, a serious attitude of intolerance 'round these parts.

You mention a particular, slightly avante garde artist who's work you appreciate, and suddenly there's a firestorm of whiney candyasses screeching about how you "are one of THEM, the axis of artistic evil that seek to undermine all that's good and noble about Renderosity!" Jeez...I wasn't aware that voicing an appreciation of a controversial peer's work was tantamount to accepting the Anti-Christ.

God forbid a person should mention that he or she is growing bored with a particular type of illustration, or suggest that such a talented group of creative types might be capable of exploring some alternative subject matter. To be honest, I'm glad my home address isn't listed here for fear some overzealous jackass might firebomb my home or, at the very least burn a Naked Vickie in a Temple on my front lawn.

You know, if someone disagrees with me, that's just peachy. I really have no great wish to convert the entire community of Renderosity to my way of thinking or have my taste in art regarded as gospel. It's real easy...check this out:

"I think Artist X is good," said JettBoy.

"I disagree with you, JettBoy. I think Artist X is an absolute hack, but I do respect your opinion," replied JoeBlow.

"I am sick of this particular subject matter...it's just been done to death and there is literally no where else to go with it while still maintaining quality," muttered JettBoy.

"Quite the contrary, JettBoy," JoeBlow exclaimed, "this subject can continue on forever and never get boring! I'm sorry you're bored with it, but I'm still jazzed and plan on doing this until I've exhausted it!"

See, isn't that easy? Not every disagreement is an open invitation to a virtual tour of Fist City. Isn't it possible to have differing opinions without the third-grade-style red-faced hollering, name calling and finger pointing? I really shouldn't have to say this but "cain't we awl jus git along?!"


joffry ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:13 PM

Hey Legume, buck up, controversy is sometimes a good thing. In October, we left on a cross-ctry, NY to Az to visit daughter. Between me trying to get thru on cell phone to Daz to get in on Platinum club thing, while going thru the mountaints, and , you were on my mind :)).. I have to dig out the pic, I think we were in Az, but, were're driving thru and I see this sign for the Pink Pony Caberet, of course, amidst screeming and yelling for my DH to pull over so I could grab a shot. I couldn't believe the size of the pony, and it was hot pink.. Kept thinking, yours was better. Couldn't even explain to him why. But, just had to laugh, left here for a few weeks, but really didn't. Thanks for making a fun and thought provoking year.


Poppi ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:22 PM

The JettBoy has noticed, primarily in the context of some really nasty personal attacks, a serious attitude of intolerance 'round these parts. well, you're not there yet, jb. I got my gallery trolled, and, was meanly attacked, in im....when i squawked about it....and, i know quiet wheels get no grease....i was told to NEVER correspond, or mention the person who attacked me...AGAIN...so, i didn't. and, any esteem that i may had held for this place hit zero, right quick, there. you must remember...."it's all about the art". if you chant that before bed, perhaps it will stick. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!


xoconostle ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:23 PM

That reminds me, Legume, I've been INFURIATED to NO END for WEEKS about your "mariachis" picture. How DARE you render "calaveras," clearly a symbol of nefarious EVILDOING, and make it look like they have MUSICAL TALENT! Hell, you made it look like FUN!!! Where is the controversy, the outrage? Right here, bud. Furthermore, you rendered dem bones in what looks like LESS THAN THREE DIMENSIONS!!! THIS IS A 3D MEDIUM, GET IT?!?!! I grant you, you did do a naked Vicky picture recently. FINALLY!!! You MUST stay on this path. But if I have to look at one more skeletal Ranchera musician from Mico, I'm going to SUE!!!! These are not opinions, they GOD'S FACTS!!! (grin) Seriously, JettBoy, you make a good point. Perhaps the next time you see someone going off their rocker over a difference of opinion, you can intercede with a level-headed voice of reason. I'm not saying it'll necessarily calm 'em down, but at least you'll set a good example. I try to do that, when I'm not going off my rocker over a trifle. Legume, we loves ya, and you're so right that your gallery hosts a diversity of imagery. However, I gotta say, you do ask for controversy with some of your material (as you well know.) I guess what you're saying is that the real deal entails more than just the intentionally provocative stuff, but trust me, some of us recognize that with all due respect. If people weren't accepting their assumptions as gospel, it wouldn't be the internet! (Not that that's an excuse...) Peace, all.


Ironbear ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:26 PM

I hid in your bushes with a deer rifle, Doc... but your artwork had nothing to do with it. I swear. PS: If you notice any missing from that herd of miniature asian deer you used to have, it wasn't me. Honest.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

  • Monkeysmell


OpticalSingenoid ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:28 PM

I call it the "Net Factor"! In the Real World, people are too affraid to say such things to your face. But, on the Net, we are Faceless... Words are just sputted out without even a flicker of thought behind it & the impact these "Souless" words will have on the other "Connected Souls"... But, then again! You sometimes do meet rather interesting minds here! What i always loved about this community, is the Diversity of the members! So many different social, political & religious backgrounds! It makes for interesting images, thoughts & ideas! And i will be the first to admit, that i've been on both sides of the coin, meaing being "Good" & "Bad"... As for making always the same "Types" of images... Well, i'm very stuck in the same pattern: Women! For they are truly the best part of my life! And i Enjoy doing my pics! My philosophy is simple: No time for "Bad Vibes"! I won't allow Someone else's Words to hinder my "Joie de Vivre"! So, Jett! Relax, and just keep doing what is Fun to you! Don't let "Distractions" cut in it... So little time... Marco[Who has had one Porteau Glass to many... Hick!]


BillyJ ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 7:57 PM

Please don't take away the viewers right to see your art with their own imagination. I happen to enjoy the harsh stroke of contraversy as much as a very good painting may be "as is" for the quality and the gentle stroke of the brush that nourished it upon its' canvas. You cannot possibly mean to suggest artists throw up signs saying their art means THIS and THAT and no one shall be allowed to see it different, that would just be so very wrong and cruel and could take away inspiration and value galore. It is very important for me to see what I wish to see in art, it just makes the whole viewing so much a delight for me especially since I cannot create anything more than a chicken can. And even chickens can lay eggs. Please allow the art to keep telling me magnificent stories within my own mind because if you try to get art to stop doing that, much like a bad video it can quickly become just another egg in the coop. Art is precious, and a chicken just tastes good with stuffing.


pdxjims ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:02 PM

hmmm... reading this thread has given me an idea... naked Vicky 3.0 in a temple being burned by a naked mousie with a Hitler mustache on a pink pony's front yard. Green fractal background. Has it been done yet? I'd hate to be repetitive. Jett, I hope your rant helped. It helped me a bit. Now everyone, repeat the holy mantra: Legume is god. Legume is God. Legume is GOD!


bknoh ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:20 PM

It is the time of year we hope that peace and love abounds. Let's try something. For the next 24 hours we could try to see the good in everyone and their artwork, too. You know doggone well if something terrible happened to anyone of us we would immediately find ourselves reassessing that person's worth and feel bad for them. I certainly don't agree with everything that is said in this forum, nor do I see worth in some of the artwork (I am not referring to any the artists in this thread, by the way...in fact, I often dream about pink ponies/goats/raccoons and I hope to become an old naked lady in a temple someday) Actually, I am glad that I have no talent what so ever...then I never have to worry about being insulted or crushed. My stuff is all silly and that is the only way see it. What I do believe is that there are very few instances where someone intentionally starts out to hurt someone else. It usually starts with a misunderstanding of views or statements and escalates into something ugly. Soon the main issue is forgotten and people are sniping at one another. The fact that there is hate mail and trolling truly appalls me. That has to come from people who need to take a clearer look at their life. Honest, I am not a total Pollyanna. I just hate to read this type of thread on my Christmas Eve. So I took my turn at spouting off. Peace from Diane in Ohio on Christmas Eve


bknoh ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:36 PM

Swell...now I am hungry and sad! I like the store, though. Diane


EmpressZario ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:36 PM

If you don't do big titted naked women and make a comment to another person's image of the same content that is not a hyperbole of grandoise awe and amazement - then you're not an artist. You're a snot nosed untalented little sh*t. I get tired of it. Power to anyone who goes against the grain. People complain and bitch that I'm a hypocrite that I have a bunch of naked women in my gallery - I'm not a hypocrite. yes, they're naked. But they're not groping their breast or genitals and lately, have been missing their head... or other parts. It may be Christmas Eve but not all of us believe in Christ - so for those of us few today is any other day :) Legume - I love your stuff. Whenver I see a post I go to it. It's been a source of inspiration that I can continue to post my stuff - although as some may say I lack any talent, focus, creativity, and I'm just a stupid moron. :) Do I sound bitter? Good - because I really don't care :) Sorry for the rant, just wanted to say it :)


andygraph ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:45 PM

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BillyJ ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:49 PM

Now you people know why I never comment on anyone's artwork. I look and adore the art in the galleries. I cannot do art myself so I respect anyone that can even draw a stickman, but to actually put something into your art that makes me think "feelings" as well as just the beauty of a stroke or color, now that's ART!! But I dare never comment, and the things like what is said in this thread here is why. I would rather just enjoy the views than concern myself whether I am saying the right thing under someone's sensitive art, I do not wish to uninspire anyone but I also want to think what I want to think. No reason to risk a good artist never posting again just because I say something that sounds off to them, I can't take that chance because I depend on them to create my imaginations here. But I also don't want to just go ooh aah.


bijouchat ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:57 PM

Its not personal. I'm sick of seeing good artists overlooked, or downright attacked simply because they are a vendor or happen to create pinup art. Or mouse renders or whatever else you folks decide to attack this week. I even agree about overdone themes and overused props somewhat, but I do not attack the artists over it. I ~never~ EVER troll someone else's gallery either. STOP attacking other artists to promote yourself! And whining about it when people attack you back over it is nothing short of pathetic. I'm tired of the various anti-naked Vickie crusades too. I like naked Vickie. So what. I think the human body is beautiful, and I don't portray people as Barbies, either. I guess you'll tell even Praxiteles that he's boring... all his women look the same and damn, why are they in stages of undress in temples? Pathetic. attached link would give a hint of where bijou's opinions tend to lie. Its not got a THING to do with anything else but wanting to see good artistic craftsmanship rewarded. excerpt I like from attached link "Reason ... philosophy ... religion ... literature ... fantasy ... dreams, and all of the feelings, emotions and pathos of our every day lives ... all of it was no longer worthy of the painter's craft. Any hint by the artist at trying to portray such things was branded as banal, maudlin, photographic, illustration, or petty sentimentality." and to the rest of everyone else, Merry Christmas!


bijouchat ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 8:58 PM
judith ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:16 PM

One of my favorite hangouts is the ARC. Ironically, the artists mentioned are some of my favorites. Just goes to show you that Vicki in a temple (uclothed/unclothed/with sword or without) is as old as time.

What we do in life, echoes in eternity.

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ScottA ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:44 PM

This is a public meeting area where hundreds of people mingle. Next time you go to a night club. Next time you go to the Mall. Next time you go grocery shopping. Next time you go to your In-Laws for dinner etc........... Is everyone getting along? Humans are best kept isolated in their own selfish dream worlds. Too much close contact with eachother. And they explode. ScottA


ChuckEvans ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:44 PM

Jettboy: "a serious attitude of intolerance 'round these parts" Were you not guilty of intolerance you wouldn't have posted a somewhat insulting remark about having seen enough mouse pictures. By insulting, I'm referring to the tone of your message which, when one read between the lines, insinuated the people having innocent fun with mouse pictures were petty, silly, and wasting their time. (Well, that's my take on it. I went back to look again, but it's been conveniently deleted) I've often wondered just why it is that people decide THEY need to post a personal objection of a particualar genre of pictures...be it "Mousie", Renderosibee, or Vicky (either naked or in a temple). I don't think it is an honest attempt to suggest to some people that they have talent and they should try to broaden their scope of consideration. Usually, it seems to serve the purpose of saying, "I hereby decree that ANYONE doing (fill in the blank) type pictures is devoid of the kind of talent I have and should quit posting them immediately." You know, I frequent the photography gallery. Some types of photos presented there seem redundant and uninteresting to me. But, being somewhat tolerent, I have never posted the kind of message I see posted in the Poser forum. In other words, telling people they should stop and do something else instead. People, I assume, pursue what makes them happy. If it makes them happy making mouse pictures, why should I get upset (which, by the way, I didn't)? If people enjoy taking certain kinds of photos, who am I to post an insulting message to them? When confronted, either in a forum or gallery, with something I've seen a hundred times or am not interested in, I just skip it. Why didn't you do the same, JB? How was it hurting you to see a forum message announcing another mouse pic? It almost seems the motivation to post the message you did sprang from some sort of jealousy that lots of people were having too much fun. Regardless, I'd suggest you practive your own words, "cain't we awl jus git along?!", and quit worrying if mouse pictures are being posted.


PapaBlueMarlin ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:52 PM

This seems like a more OT thread than a Poser one.



ChuckEvans ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:56 PM

Hey, I didn't start the thread, I just added to it...LOL.


JettBoy ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 9:57 PM

I'm sorry if you disagreed with my personal observation about the quantity of mouse pics. Honestly, you have every right to disagree with my opinion. You don't, however, have the right to tell me my opinion isn't valid or that I'm an asshole for having it.

Drinking whiskey...wife annoyed...going to bed. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Wonderful Kwanzaa, Winter Solstice, Sacrifice to Odin or whatever it is ya'll celebrate (or not)!


ChuckEvans ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:01 PM

I didn't call you an asshole. I just pointed out your hypocracy. And I mused over why things like that bother people. Why they have to post their objections when they could just pass over forum posts or gallery pics that they are not interested in. That's all.


EmpressZario ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:07 PM

Scott, I agree. I am one of those people who should never be allowed near Disney World. I'm not a depressive person... I'm quite humorous... in a morbid kind of way. I'm not prejudice... I think everyone is an idiot j/k. I just lose my tolerance when people add to an already redundant and monotonous string thinking they'll somehow win respect. I love Giana's work because in a way it works very slightly within that monotony, but... it's its own class. I love Ectasy's work because it's just... freaky and beautiful. I love Legume's work because it is so FAR from the redundancy and so... it's just freaking awesome. Personally, I know it means something different to mean than it would to someone else, and I think that's the important thing in creating "art." Certain people, and, yes, I'm going to place a name since they decided to attack me and say I had an anti-porn campaign (here's to you Weaponist) - IS the monotony of tit grabbing suction cup lips. It's just boring and I have no respect for a person who can't break the chains of what is "popular". I understand having a style. But if the current trend is peeing on a bedsheet, is your style really peeing on a bedsheet or just being a lemming? Oh, happy holidays :) -=EZ=-


igohigh ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:15 PM

Suggested solution: From now on we should hand out Wips, Chains, and Feathers at the gallery entrance. That way if anyone decides to start whuppin on someone else, BOTH parties can enjoy it.... just an idea ;).


ScottA ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:21 PM

At least you know who you are EZ. Each and every person (including myself) who posts messages here is absolutely convinced that their opinion is the correct one. The people who are able to get along in this world are the people who know this. But don't try to convert other people to agree with them. They just let everyone else be wrong. ;-)


EmpressZario ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:32 PM

Scott:I can't tell if you're being honest or being facetious :) In response to personal attacks... People think I'm personally attacking them when I'm just being impersonal, but from being impersonal they take it personal, and when they make it personal, that's when I get personal. I know it's confusing. When I comment on something I'm impersonal. But when someone MAKES it personal, then I get harsh - but never vicious. Well. Vicious in the level of detail to which I comment on, but I don't get to the level of personal attacking the artist themself. I save that for private messages should they so write to me :) Sometimes my comments can, and sometimes do, seem like a personal attack, but they aren't. Renderosity has been amusing. I came here so happy and into it. But then I saw something that just - REALLY - offended me... and from that point on I've seen a different light and held to it. Once you see you can't stay blind, I guess. Just a matter of hoping you see the light that's most popular :)


quixote ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:41 PM

Don't Philistines have anything to celebrate this time o'year? :)) Cheers, Q

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé


quixote ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:49 PM

Naw! Springer's too good for our lot.

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé


ChuckEvans ( ) posted Tue, 24 December 2002 at 10:51 PM

Good idea, Ratteler! Then instead of having to endure another thread like this (and all the other redundant "heated" threads that surface [re-surface?] every month or so), we could just put the tape of the Springer show in and watch it again. Message671414.jpg


Valandar ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 9:56 AM

Good god... am I the only one? The lucky one? Am I the only Renderosity member who has never been flamed or trolled in the forums in my memory? The worst that's ever happened to me is someone completely ignored everything I said in a gun control debate in the OT forum... and tried to make it sound like I was a left-wing nut, whn I'm clearly a moderate. ^^ Goofy dragons, NVIATWAS, Cutesy winged frogs, they all get equal time in my gallery. ^^

Remember, kids! Napalm is Nature's Toothpaste!


EmpressZario ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 9:58 AM

Some people are flamers (and I know many), some are flamees, some are... flame resistant :)


Bobasaur ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 12:54 PM

Attached Link: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

Someone was kind enough to post this link a long time ago. I've seen all the characters described here. I haven't been trolled or flamed either. I don't have a gallery. Whenever we get an animation gallery set up, I will probably get flames. When the animation I've been working on for months gets finished, I will probably get some flach. If I do, that'll mean I accomplished part of my goal. That's good. I try to write *very* carefully because this medium - written text - is limited in it's effectiveness - even with cute smileys and emoticons. Objective research shows that approximately 80% of communication is based on non-verbal things - whether voice intonations or the look in the eyes of the speaker. We don't have the ability to see the warm friendly smile at the other end of the post. We can't see the body-language that says "I'm genuinely trying to help you learn and I don't mean this as a personal attack." Without those cues it's no wonder that people get hurt or offended. Plus, there's another simple truth - the Bell Curve. There is always someone who doesn't like what you do. There is always someone who does. There are always those in the middle. People seem to forget this and take things too personal.

Before they made me they broke the mold!
http://home.roadrunner.com/~kflach/


Valandar ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 1:47 PM

Sigh... The Flame Warriors. Unfortunately, a fact of Internet life.

Remember, kids! Napalm is Nature's Toothpaste!


_dodger ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 3:25 PM

People use my flames all the time in the galleries. Ope! Damn. Misinterpreted again.


bijouchat ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 3:34 PM

be careful, who knows, maybe the next post is how they see your flames too often in the galleries... lol


_dodger ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 3:55 PM

Listens to 'Attitude' by Hardknox


Lyrra ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 6:03 PM

(OT or not OT? Eh. It's about Legume and the contents of the poser gallery. Its as on topic as a tranvestite mouse image (really). Besides everyone appears to be behaving for a change.) Well I can say that I get a tremendous amount of flak from everything that I do and do not do. My gallery has been flamed several times, I've had rude images sent to my home email ... I've had cyber stalkers. (BTW I do not remove my own negative gallery comments. I ask someone else to decide. Seems more fair that way) And all that without actually opening my big yap most of the time. I can say, honestly, that more than 60% of what I have seen in the Poser gallery is remarkably similar and utterly nonmemorable. Many people here could benefit from a one hour lesson on composition. Personally I thought the mice were a refreshing change from all the big breasted babes :) Lyrra the Extremely Tired



bikermouse ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 9:35 PM

Lyrra, A tutorial on composition? what a wonderful idea ... I know I could use it. - TJ


_dodger ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 10:39 PM

I've been thinking of putting together a crash-course in practical composition. Not any of the typical rhythm/pattern/balance/framing stuff, but real practical composition including concepts like safe zones, hotspots, and other things that commercial artists have to work with all the time. In other words, real world composition, not art school composition.


dialyn ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 10:57 PM

That would be great....it would be nice to have a practical, down to earth course that gives the basics. Hope you are able to find the time (and the inclination) to follow up on that idea.


quixote ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 11:30 PM

That would be nice Lyrra.

Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hazard
S Mallarmé


_dodger ( ) posted Wed, 25 December 2002 at 11:50 PM

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I have some example pics done using some book covers as the examples. What's even cooler is that I can claim fair use and not worry about any copyright stuff, as the Fair Use clause for copyright laws both in and before the Berne convention allows stuff to be used for educational purposes, and a tutorial is definitely educational!


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_dodger ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 12:12 AM

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One of the common themes in anything book-like, at least using Roman alphabets and thus left-to-right format -- and this carries through to most posters and lunchboxes and t-shirts as the same people make them with the same habits developed -- is that the eye is supposed to be led to about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way down the right side of the image. The reason is simple. When you pick up a book in the bookstore and hold it up to examine the cover, especially if you are right-handed, that spot that's being pointed at is covered by your thumb. If the artist can subconsciously lead you to move your thumb (following the flow of the image) then you are thatmuch closer to opening the book and reading the blurb on the inside, and thus a lot closer to buying it. Tiny thing, but it works wonders. The yellow spots indicate the 'hotspot' which is the place of focus that the lines in the image flow to, which provides momentum for the eye to keep travelling right to the thumb. Sometimes the hotspot is right under the thumb, even. The lead-lines are in red. Not only do lines lead to where you want to put the eye, but that point should be the point of the most noticable contractin the image. If you have another high-contrast spot elsewhere, it will lead the eye away from the hotspot. Another point that is important for most commercial at is the concepts of 'text-zones' and 'safe-zones'. Text zones are areas where the designer is going to put text, and generally include the bottom 1/6 and the top 1/3, but sometimes that varies. Text zones should be free of 'clutter' and 'busyness'. They should be low-contrast and it's generally best to avoid actual objects in them. These are good places to fill with sky, simple pattern, the Frazetta-ish concept of 'umimportantness' (in painting, you can make 'unimportant' areas less attention-drawing by not 'finishing' them, sort of. Taking amore impressionistic approach and not giving them full life keeps them from upstaging the focal points. Another thing that is really important to composition, and something I dno't think most people on this site realise or ever think about, is the idea that you don't crop your picture afterwards, you plot your frame first. Needing to crop your image to look nice is amateurish and often obvious. Deciding on a set aspect ratio to work within FIRST will always improve your work at least somewhat. It's a good idea to measure out the aspect ratios of such things as novels, game manuals, notebooks, posters, and so on, and work within those rather than one of your choosing. It makes your work more commercially viable. Finally, it's also a good idea to consider treating your work as if it's going to be something like a book cover or record sleeve or whatever even if it's not. Why? Because if you submit your work to an art director or even have a lot of people look at it, they are going to be (whether it's 'right' or 'wrong' comparing it at least to some degree with the work of others. If you're going for fantasy, sci-fi, action, and so on, yuo're going to be compared to Boris Vallejo, Frank Frazetta, Larry Elmore, Michael Whelan, Darrel K. Sweet, Rowena Morrill, Keith Parkinson, Brom, Clyde Caldwell, Jeff Easley, and even maybe Phil Foglio depending on your style. Doesn't matter if you're doing this digitally or not. Thatmeasn that making your work look like a book cover or game manual cover or comic cover or movie poster or whatever is going to make you look like your know what your'e doing,because you're using an arrangement that's similar to 'pro' work. Remember, oftne 'pro' is a word that really means 'got noticed in The Stack'. If the commercial aspects of this sound like selling out, consider this: starving to death is stupid, and working a day job telemarketing or doing phone support is a lot more like selling out, to most, than doing art for a living and living it and breathing it day in and day out. Suffering for art is fine and dandy, but I'd rather not, thanks much.


bikermouse ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 12:35 AM

_dodger, The idea of a hotspot has other applications Im sure. The 'drawn to' concept could be used in many ways. Thank you. I will try to remember it. Lyrra, Your artistry and taste have always impressed me and so I for one would love to hear your ideas on composition if you have time. - TJ


Lyrra ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 1:20 AM

Unfortunately I have very little time to spare for anything - when I say that I'm overworked I mean it. (weekdays are 8 hrs in office, 6 in studio, 2 modding, the other 8 for travel, eating and sleeping). I'm pushing right now to get all the projects on my desk done by New Years. Anything left unfinished at that point is gonna be scrapped. As of New Years Day I will be officially starting work on my graphic novel. wheee If someone else wants to do some tutorials, be my guest. I have little to say that isn't known by art teachers throughout the ages. Dodger - I was talking about even more basic stuff than that. Like 'never put the figure in the dead center of the page', 'always balance the weight of the figure', 'never put dark figures on dark backgrounds', 'hot colors advance, cool colors recede', 'move the eye around the page but not off of it', and 'ALWAYS use a background - even if its just a horizon line' Great ... now I feel like a cross between Polonious and DaVinci Lyrra the Hungry



bikermouse ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 3:34 AM

Lyrra, Hmm, I always thought of you as a cross between Susan Polis Schultz and Mona Lisa - But If you onsist: "And thus do we of wisdom and of reach, With windlasses and with assays of bias, By indirections find directions out: So by my former lecture and advice, Shall you my son." - Polonius from Hamlet act II scene i That sort of advice is the basic sort of things I am talking about. It will have to do, I guess but it would be nice to be able to hook and manipulate the viewer's eye. I have no Formal Art training and so it is only by what is buried in my feeble brain and from the example of yourself and others like you that I learn. ... come to think about it, I recall a tutorial on this - If I can dig it up a I'll post a link here. "...fare you well", - TJ (bikermouse, who is not yet thinking of himself as Polonius-like)


bikermouse ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 3:35 AM

err onsist = insist


_dodger ( ) posted Thu, 26 December 2002 at 3:56 AM

Hmm. Well, you can do classical composition and put the figure in the middle of the frame, but it needs to be symmetrical if you do that -- other aspects of symmetry should be evident. The thing about the 'off the page' -- in the case of commerical art for books, DVDs, and such, it's perfectly common and acceptable to pull the eye down to the hotspot and let it travel off the page -- and into the book. As for backgrounds -- my 'Blue' picture has none and seems to be well-liked. But it has none none. Pure white. Olivia DeBeradinis style. On purpose, because I was emulating that style. One of the things that I see done terribly here too, is that many artists go 'Garish'. Sometimes mood-lighting voercomes this by setting an overall tint... but not always. However, the degree to which a controlled colour scheme can aid things is beyond expression. The movie Amelie (Le Fabuleaux Destin de Amelie Poulaine) directed by Jean Jeunet went through a complete digital reprocessing before it was done, to match all the shots to an established colour scheme (mostly red and/or green, offset with a shot of bright blue) and the effect is astounding. Moviemakers do this sort of thing all the time (though not always to that degree). Painters deliberately limit their palettes by only allowing themselves certani colours of paint. A short exploration of colour theory would so almost everyone on this site a strong bit of good. I think the most important thing for artists or would-be artists to remember is to give thought to everything you do. You don't have to have a reason for everything -- sometimes intuition and inspiration strikes -- but never just do anything thoughtlessly. The entire picture should be planned out before the making-it part starts, and if your subconscious doesn't come up with a brilliant idea, then your conscious should at least follow time-tested rules or have a good reason to break them. I have to wonder, too, how many Renderosity artists actually sketch out their pics first... I know I do. Or my wife does, at least, when I don't. Even just a scribble to get an idea of dark-blocking... I highly recommend it. Don't just arrange things and se what happens -- plan out your shot or show.


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