Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse that's already been brought up a thousand times before, but I've been sifting through lots of posts here, but none seem to address the question I have:

What is the benefit of having V3 come without morphs, and having to add them yourself? If you can set your morphs to zero, why bother removing them?

V2 shipped out with a ton o' morphs on her. I think she looks quite stiff, but at least if I wanted to raise her eyebrows, I could do so right away. This "injection" process is to me an unwelcome extra step.

I bought along with V3 the 'head' and 'body' morph packages, V2 shipped with quite an extensive collection of 'head' and 'body' morphs already installed. This reminds me of buying a meal 'ala carte.' Yes, the figure seems cheaper when it's priced at $23 for an upgrade, but when you add the packages you need to buy to get the same versatility that you got from V2, the price goes up til you've spent another $60+ on Victoria, again.... I think that was a seperate gripe, I apologize! ("Ooooooh.... You wanted tires with your new car? Well, that'll be $200 extra.")

I did take the time injecting some of the new head morphs, managed to make her look Totally Unlike Vicki almost immediately. I'm very happy with the new morphs, but I still wonder what the benefits of "injecting" them are. Anyone?

My understanding is that the morphs add a lot of code to the figure, which can slow poser. So this way you take the base figure and inject some of the morphs and save it as one character. Then inject a different combination of morphs and save that as another character. etc... That way you can make several customized V3s that each have a subset of all the morphs so they work faster. And of course at any time you can inject additional morphs to one of those characters in a scene if those morphs are needed. In other words, it lets you make several characters that each have a dozen or so morphs based on how you plan to use that specific character instead of each one being bloated with the code for hundreds of morphs that you won't use on the same character.

V3 + all morphs loaded = 120 Mb V2 = 22 Mb

Consider also that on my Athlon 1700+ with 512 meg ram and a Radeon 8500 card, loading all expression morphs at a time simply kills my poser pro immediately... I think morphs are quite "heavy" on CPU...

Personally i love the injection morphs...V3 loads much faster than V2 or even V1 and then i can select what morphs i want from a visual catologue rather than looking at just text, an added bonus is the pz3 files are much smaller so much faster to load in other apps, but i think the seeing the morph before loading it is the big bonus.......Steve

I think DAZ's POV was that a 120 Mb vicki was a killer, not only to use, but also to download, especially if you have dial-up. That's also why they split her into packages. I can appreciate this because I d/ld vicki/head MTs/body MTs/tex maps/fashion maps/poses in 2 6 hour sessions over 2 nights. Imagine the PITA if she'd all been in one pack! But the main point is the usage. I wouldn't want a 120 meg figure either in my library or in my document window. The first thing I'd be doing is pitching out all the morphs I wouldn't use. And what would I do if I thought I might want them in a year's time? Save them to another figure with Morph Manager? Hey... in the end, injection SAVES time. mac

a little trivia for you the v3 figure with all morphs (no textures) is 116 mb and 2661731 lines of text (yeah, thats 2.7 million!) write that down, there could be a test later..lol BT

Personally I just love injecting the morphs. I hated going back and forth all the times trying to find the dials I wanted, with a high majority of them that I din't even use. I was disappointed however, that we have to buy the morphs seperately :( So, for right now, I have a very very plain V3, since I won't be able to get the morphs till next months...but boy am I gonna have alot of fun once I get them!! This is my very first high res Vicki and I'm VERY excited! (machine couldn't handle the other high res ones)

You know, I was just grousing a little... I had just gotten V3 and it was a totally new perspective. Now that I've tweaked around a little, I'm very pleased with V3!

V2 who? ;)

Thanks!

I find it troublesome to select a morph section everyhing you want to change something. In the pose section, I have so many folders(over 10?) dedicated to V3, isn't she someone you can't forget =)

My assumption is that you wouldn't be able to download the V3 file from DAZ if it had all those morphs preinstalled. The file size would be astronomical and probably take a month to download (at least on my dial-up it would). I thing they probably had to break it up so you could download each part as time allowed. Only my guess. Besides that, think of wading through such a list of morphs looking for the ones you need. It would take ages to set up a character just looking for the morphs you want. It's a bit hard to get used to, but I've been adding each morph as I need it, rather than hunting down each one I might need just at that moment. I occasionally go back for more as I build my character. Melanie

I also kind of have the feeling that I purchased a car and then found out later that the tires and the engine would cost more. I rather purchase V3 the same way I purchased pervious Victorias - all in tact. The price is not the issue it just seem ridiculous to sell a model that has little to no morphs. We already have a Posette. I would have much rather been shown the entire price from the get go..

I am not trying to create another CL versus Daz, but I think that Daz could have done a better job on V3 for us P5 users.... Both for the reason of an easier purchase experience and to make it easier to get to the point of creating new characters and poses.

I read in an earlier post that it is faster to do the injection in p4 then open up the C32 in P5..... I did this but I ended up with about a hundred extra morph dials that have nothing in them,,,,, I am sure it is user error but it is frustrating.

I think V3 has some amazing morph and I really do think that she is awesome, but she seems to really benefit the P4 user a whole lot more than the P5 users.

BTW if anyone can tell me why or how to fix the empty dial problem, I would appreciate it. Thanks

Christian .....

Happy Holidays.

Injection for me means the difference of being able to even use Vicky 3 or not being able to use her at all. I injected all the morphs and saved her as a new figure. I load that figure to create a new model and write down the morphs I actually use. Then I close poser and restart with just Vic3 base and inject only the morphs I need. Makes for a much much smaller pz3 and I can actually render it. My machine hangs a lot when I hit render with Vic2 and Mike2 together, so this is a great change.

Ok, let me see, would people who don't like the current injection procedure, rather have a much more expensive Vicki3?? Or do youse guys just want the morphs free? Seems to me the way Daz did it, made the most sense on the pocket book and the download. And the memory in Poser. If you didn't have enough cash to get Vicki 3 in toto-- about $70 on the Platinum card, twice that without-- you have the option of just getting the head morphs or just the body morphs or just the base and save up for the rest. Vicki 2 just came down from $59 and she's nowhere near the flexibility of V3. Mike upgrade was around $40. These are the high ticket items of Poser and still cheaper than most other models of their kind. I'm only peeved that they couldn't do the uv work for us to give us V3 to V2. It's not like they're breaking their own copyright. Emily

To add my voice to ChristianB's... what about those empty dials????

About those empty dials... Did you try the dialcleaner program that you can download free at the bottom of the V3 page on the Daz3D site? The readme in V3 said something about having to run your character through that after saving it.

I think it is an excellent thing to do. There are certainly times when people use technology just because it's there, but in this case, I really think that it is a huge advantage to users. It might not be perfectly clear, to everyone, but I think that there is a lot of flexability for those who sell as well as those of us who are just creating characters for series of images. If for no other reason, imagine all of your unique characters taking up no more than a few hundred K. Applying the pose might take a minute, but certainly not any longer than loading V2 did (of course creating such a pose will require effort beyond what poser offers). There was a time when I had 10-20 v2 characters hogging disk space in my characters folder. That was 300+ megabytes, most of which was repeated (and unused) morph information. Such is no longer necessary. Eric

Well, the way I see it, the choices are simple. You can pay the whole price at once, download a 120 meg file, then spend 10 minutes waiting for her to load in poser and another 20 minutes scrolling through the list of morphs to find the one you want. Do you have ANY idea of many morphs v3 has??? The parameter dials list would be e-smegging-normous!! Then you'd have to wait another 5 minutes for poser to respond every time you moved a limb! Or you can pay for the pieces you need, download them in stages, load a blank figure and add the morphs you need from easy to see thumbnails. What's the problem, exactly? No matter which way DAZ did it you'd have to do some work. And they give you dial-cleaner free. mac