All! I've been goofing with 3D for a few years but never got past the "goof" stage - I own Bryce 5 and started up with it again recently. For the life of me, even following instructions in the manual, I can not get the Moon or star field to actually show. I can manage to manipulate the angle of lighting ....even using the moon image.......hmmmm. Any ideas of where I'm going wrong or suggestions are welcome (aside from the notion I should pick a simpler hobby!) Thanks! Bert

Stars: Turn the stars on in the skylab. The higher the density, the more stars. You have to make sure that the stars are not blocked out by clouds or haze. If the clouds are not transparent enough the stars won't show through them. If the haze is to strong the stars will be hard to see. Also stars show best at night. All just as in real life. Sun/moon: First make sure that the sun and/or moon are visible using the skylab. Then alter the placement of the sun/moon. If the sun/moonlight is comming from behind the camera the sun/moon is behind the camera. Thus you will not see it. Place the sun/moon in front of the camera and voilthey are visible in your image. You can check out the settings of default sky's with sun or moon visible, to see at wich angles the sun is visible.

We are all much to polite, friendly and helpfull here to tell you to get another ("simpler") hobby. The forum is made to help each other and that is what we do here :) Goofing around is great to learn how different features and tools work. We are all still goofing around every now and then. You never stop learning.

The easiest way to place the sun/moon in the scene, is to first go to sky lab and enable Sun/Moon Visible. Then back in the scene window,while holding the Ctrl, Shift, Alt keys ( for moon ) double click on the sun icon on the sky palette, while still holding the keys click anywhere in the scene window to place the moon. The sun can be done the same way by holding the Ctrl, Alt keys.

Thanks all! I'll give it a go later this evening after the spousal unit settles down to her TV programs (less disruptive on life!) Thanks again, I'll let ya'll know how it turns out - Happy New Year! Bert