There are some free items that are reposted many times. One in particular has been posted at least three times, I am sure. at a distance of not more than one or two months. Doesn't this take space and visibility away from the really new items? How many times do we need the same item reposted when we have search and indexes functions at our disposal? Ins't that perhaps someone wants a continuous link to its web site, using for that the free stuff channel but without offering anything new? Just random thoughts.

"some free items". How many? Can you give an example?

Well... I know there's a red texture for one of kozoburo's hairs that keeps getting reposted seems like once a week...

yeah? did a search for "Kozaburo" and "red Hair" and found only one posted by Bug Dec 2000. Not exactly taking "space and visibility away from the really new items".

Spelling. Search for 'Kozaboro'. ;P

He's talking about the habits of btsculptor and Coleus, who tend to repost the same stuff ad infinitum, btsculptor especially. On the plus side, many of them do have the courtesy of mentioning that they are reposts. OTOH, they do shove the new freebies down and off the front page, so unless hosting has changed or a fix has been made, what's the point of posting them, besides self-promotion for your store? /P

Well, it might be on the off chance there is someone new to the community who hasn't seen the freebie and might be interested in it.

ok so btsculptor has reposted 8 different items once only over a period of more than a year not exactly every week. The origional posts are deleted. I couldn't see any obvious reposts for Coleus though some items seem similar. Out of 7805 items I can not see the cause for concern. Personally I would like to thank all the free stuff contributors, on this site and others, a lot of which is of a far higher quality than the stuff in the MP.

Boulder, my point is: imagine if everyone posting free stuff would start reposting it every month in order to drive traffice to their sites (where they advertise their sales products of course)? The whole free stuff thing would soon become unmanageable. It's true that only few people do that - for now. But wait until more people (not necessarily Renderosity merchants, also merchants from other stores) will find out that this can be a way to get advertised freely on Rosity regularly, and that they can do without any effort, because it's enough to just make one item, and then repost it ad libitum... then you can bet that this habit will spread out. I don't think it's a very nice way to promote themselves. But that is just my personal opinion after all.

They will post free items that look the same as earlier ones, especially textures for Kozaburo's hairstyles, but they are slightly different. Although not different enough to download.

But then on the other hand...if they are nice enough to produce freestuff in the first place, why should we begrudge them a bit of advertisement....whether it's a merchant here, or anywhere else? I really don't think that it will become a "habit" that is going to spread out. And if they are taking the old link down and putting a brand new one up really, what is the harm? I mean, I truly don't think "all" freestuff providers are just after a quick way to advertise...some actually do freestuff only. As was pointed out, some newbies may be grateful that it's there more at their fingertips then to have to search...some are still not familiar with all of the workings of the site. And if we do have all of these search criteria at our fingertips and we do know how to use it...how is reposting something going to make the freestuff area unmanageable? Pendarian

(shrug) - no skin off my butt, though I find that perhaps instead of reposting teh same ol' same ol', perhaps posting new items would attract more people than merely rehashing the old stuff over and over and over again. /P

You would think Peng, you would think so. :) And in reality that is what they probably should do, but some just don't. :) But as you said, it's no skin off my butt either..so I was just wondering what all the hub bub was for...

Penguinisto - I agree, I find that habit annoying to say the least. But, it works. We know it works. It makes you sell. Same as commercials. Many people find them annoying, yet, when they go to a store, that's what they choose most of the times. Pendarian: A newbie might be grateful you say... I don't know... surely it'll take just a month for that newbie to see that item surface again and then he'll stop to be grateful and start to be annoyed. And what about the thousands of older mambers who are kind of spammed (yep it's not that much different from spam) almost every day by this kind of bad habit? We hate spam in our mailboxes, why should we appreciate it here? More generally: This is a typical cases of freedom vs. rules. Everyone loves freedom. Everyone hates rules. But when do rules come up on everybody? When someone abuses the freedom. When more people will take advantage of this trick of iterating old stuff to get new promotion, Rosity managers will be forced to step in and impose rules on everyone of us. So because of the abuse of few, we all the large majority will lose another bit of freedom here. This is what I would not like to happen.

When it becomes a trend yes then there will be a rule...but how are you going to stop it being done by the few....impose a rule on them only that says you can only post it once? Or send them an IM that says "you can't post it but once?" Again, I've not seen proof that it happens that often. I see it once in a great while, not month after month or week after week. And it's done by what two members out of how many that contribute freestuff? I don't see it done so much that it "buries" other brand new freestuff that soon and I visit the freestuff area on a daily basis. As Peng pointed out, some even state that they are reposts. Perhaps they are resposting it because they took it down, unnnoticed to most of us that are caught up on freestuff, and then reposted on request? Has anyone actually stopped and asked them why they are reposting, or is that more trouble then coming in here and posting about the reposting of freestuff? If you are so concerned and you think it's a problem, then mayhaps you might want to ask the person that is doing it why they are doing it...maybe they actually have a reason. I mean what type of a resolution are you looking for here? That they get singled out and told they can't do it anymore...and then want the admins and mods to patrol freestuff on a daily basis to see if there are any infractions? That's not going to happen, this site is too big. So...are you looking for some type of rule to stop it? Which from your last post is NOT what you are really looking for...but it's okay to take away their freedom to repost something that may or may not have been requested, or something that they do eight times a year? That's not even one time a month and it's one item.... Or are you just blowing off steam? I'm really not understanding apparently what you are upset about or what you hope to accomplish by starting this thread.

Hey Pendarian... please cool down. I just stated my opinion. And my discomfort with some kind of spamming that I think is going on in the free stuff section. I am allowed to speak my opinion, I think. I am not "expecting" anything by this thread. Why people always has to think in utilitarian terms? Like, I do say something to "get" something? Maybe I am "old style", but I like to talk about things without having a goal in mind, just to compare opinions. People sometimes want to share/exchange opinions sometimes without expecting anything in change. So I just wanted to share a feeling. Then you read it, and you may agree or not. Maybe you get something to think about from it, maybe not, in which case you'll forget about it in a minute. That's it. That's all.

I don't need to cool down sweetie, I'm not hot, just trying to understand what the point was is all. If that's utilitarian terms, so be it. I'm just expressing my opinion and trying to have a discussion about what you brought up. If I seem a bit "tense" about this it's only because I have a tremendous amount of respect for those that offer up free items for the community...and I've not seen a real abuse of anything other then some user reposting something 8 times in one year. You compared it to spam which it's really not..at least not spam by my standards which is something that fills your email box on a daily basis. I wish my spam was only eight times a year. That and I would hate to see the management here think there is now a necessity to either warn a freestuff maker OR institute a new ruling which might involve the amount of freestuff that comes here. You never know what effects the words we speak here just to voice an opinion will have on those that can make or enforce rules, or on other members without us realizing it.

It's much more than eight time in an year, Pendarian. I get those reiterated products showing up on a weekly basis if not even more often. Anyway - we have different opinions on the subject. That's fine, only why should I shut up because you don't like to read what I think. This I can not understand. I have not called for any rule whatsoever. On the contrary, if you read again what I wrote, you will see that my fear is that such abuse does not cause restrictions. A virtual friendly handshake, and best regards. - Orio

heyas; when you see the same thing for the twelfth time, you can get a little wiggy. well, i can. i have a low tolerance for repetition and monotony. i thought it was just annoying, myself. but orio brings up an interesting bit of speculation. i'd say, since the thumbnail and zip file are not hosted on rendo, reposting over and over doesn't really take up that much in the way of rendo resources.

Hard to fault someone for being generous. If it's free, wtf, post it as many times as you want--it's your bandwidth. If I'm not interested, I'm fully capable of skipping over it and going onto the next thing.

apparently from all sides it's not a problem. It certainly isn't as irritating as them banner ads with the didstorted Poser babes. They seem to be there every hour :)

Attached Link: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?Who=Orio

Boulder, I don't know what you mean by laughing at my store. And I'm not interested to know. I just want to make clear that I have no intention of flaming with you. I just posted my opinion on a subject. This is lecit I think. They call it free speech. The main thing is to be always polite and respectful when expressing a concept. You may agree or disagree with me, I do not question your opinion, I respect it as I respect your person. Of course, I do like to talk with persons who respect me, too. Therefore I'm afraid that the kind of "discussion" that you are wanting to have with me, you'll have to have it alone. I leave this thread and thank everyone who replied politely, agreeing or not with me. I wish that someday it will be possible to complete a discussion here without someone coming up to turn it into a flame war. I am a peaceful guy and I enjoy serene discussions between people even with different or opposite opinions. I am open to confrontation, and ready to change my mind on any subject in front of convincing reasons. And finally, I don't think that disagreeing with someone gives any right for denigrating that person in any way. all the best, Orio

I don't understand it, either. It looks like a very lovely tree prop to me... one I would be proud to have for my renders! And most definately not something to be made fun of!!! Do -you- have a store or free items, boulder?

why no ... no he doesn't

but I do ...click on my name to visit both...(nothing like free publicity:)

I think the point is that some stuff (especially the texture for Kozaburo's hair by btsculptor) seems to be reposted all the time. It may only be reposted every few weeks, but for people who regularly visit the free stuff section, that stuff seems to be reposted constantly. Then, again, can we really grudge the guy? After all, he was artist of the month in December (or was it November?) Anyway- he was artist of the month. So, I guess this means that, by continuosly reposting your stuff, you too can be artist of the month. Here's an idea- how about filters? Each person could filter what he or she does or does not want to see. Only want to see Vicky stuff? Filter it. Don't want to see the continually reposted stuff by someone? Filter it out.

I must say, I have reposted the Land dragon... Postd it once... that space died. Posted it again... that space died. Posted a third time, this time along with wings, and it's still up. I can understand reposting stuff if the link died, but not reposting stuff for the sake of reposting it. And, yes, I have both freestuff and a store, too. ^_^

1/ not laughing at your store Orio. Laughing at the irony of you complaining about people reposting free stuff when your store contains what appears to be the same item and yes I know one is poser and one is vue. Nothing important just found it amusing. 2 "I wish that someday it will be possible to complete a discussion here without someone coming up to turn it into a flame war. " so who's done that I certainly haven't 3/ "And finally, I don't think that disagreeing with someone gives any right for denigrating that person in any way." I have no intention of denigrating you or your products. In fact your Xmas tre looks very good. 4/ "I don't understand it, either. It looks like a very lovely tree prop to me... one I would be proud to have for my renders! And most definately not something to be made fun of!!! " who was making fun of it? 5/ "odeathoflife" I have a large collection of free items at other sites where they host the items. So I'm afraid your response was incorrect. 6/ JohnRender you use terms like "reposted all the time" and "stuff seems to be reposted constantly." Who are these people? This does not happen though it may happen a little more after this silly thread. Again I would like to thank all the posters of free stuff and if one or two, and it is only one or two, people decide to repost an item because it has been updated so what? It's not a problem. "

Boulder... When someone reposts an item, they normally delete the previous posting of it. And the Red Tex for one of Kozoburo's hairs has been reposted at least once every month for the past several months. So point 6 is a mite out of line. And if one or two decides to keep reposting the same item once a month, true, it's not a big deal. But if someone then decides he's going to repost ALL of his freestuff every month because of the "Red tex for Kozoburo's hair", then THAT will be a problem.

"several months" so how many months is that?

WOW! I didn't even know I was the topic of a thread until bloodsong and boulder IM'ed me and asked about my Freestuff posting practices! For a while, I wasn't going to get involved here, but since there are actually people standing up for me, I decided I would. At the moment I have over a dozen Freestuff items posted, and I've added one brand new one this week. I think I have others available that have slipped through the cracks Ill have to check my server. Several are red textures for various hairstyles, and most of the Kozaboro styles are included. OK, I'm a sucker for a redhead and Kozaboro's hair. Personally, I consider posting Freestuff to be a service to the Renderosity community. I doubt that anyone will argue with me on this. Yes, I DO rotate my posts - so what may seem to be the same thing popping up every week is actually a series of Kozaboro styles being re-posted. One reason is so that new members can find the items and, yes, my Marketplace offerings. Yes, this is also a way to get people to my site so that they can see the items I'm offering in the Marketplace. But I do delete the old post and I indicate that the repost IS a repost. All files are hosted on my site, so that it shouldnt be bogging down anyone elses server. I will respond directly to one poster here the one who started the thread. Orio, how many Freestuff items are YOU offering to the Community? Thanks for listening. I hope this clears things up:)

BT Sculptor, I have offered items to the community, two full featured professionally modeled trees, complete with professional textures, an oak tree and a poplar tree, but I can not post them on the free stuff because my web space is limited to 15Mb and my bandwidth is limited also. And I can not store them here at Rosity because they are huge. If you or someone else offers web space to host them, I'll be happy to give them for a permanent display and download. If you are curious and want you can make a search in the Xfrog forum and you should find the posts about the oak I offered last year. For the other tree you would have to look into the Vuedesprit archives at Yahoogroups. This be enough for your little, sterile polemics against me that I do not want to pick up further more because I don't want to lower myself to that level. A further word of clarification: My post wasn't aimed at you particularly - I didn't even mention your name, someone else did. My post was regarding a habit that I consider -personally- annoying, and potentially dangerous should it become a diffused habit for everyone wanting to get exposure and contacts without effort. It would simply submerge free stuff and make it unuseable. Having that said - it's perfectly legitimate for you to post whatever you want in the freestuff section. It's also perfectly legitimate for users of the free stuff section to complain about what they personally consider annoying. This is all part of the democratic life of a community. best regards, Orio

so how big are those files you want to post? I may have some room...

Several megs each for sure. There's both meshes and maps in the zips. I have to search my back up CDs. If some has downloaded one of those models and read this, please contact me, we can make it sooner and for sure it'll make my life easier, by sharing it back. I have a bunch of backup CDs to search through.

Illusions, I'll try to explain myself better: I did not IM BtSculptor because my post was not aimed at BtSculptor in particular. Really, I can not understand why there's always this "need" to personalize the subjects with a first and a last name. There are subjects to be discussed, that are general. General issues regarding the community and not specifically one person. I have nothing against BTSculptor, for God's sake, and besides, BTsculptor is not the only one who reposts old stuff regularly, so it would not be even correct to personalize the issue on him exclusively. This is why in my posts I did not want to name names, and I did not. There was no personal implication to my post, only my opinion on the subject (an opinion that I am not alone with, judging from what I read). I hope that this is clear now. I do not wish that this is misunderstood as a personal "attack" against someone. This is a forum, and we are talking general issues, we should not point any specific finger at any specific person, even if sometimes someone does. But not me, I didn't do that. Best regards, Orio