Hi there, In the mood to do more V3face morphs. Here is the question? We are running out of empty dials on the head so would which of the following turns you on most? a)Another Service Release with more slots for injectors b)Load morphs as obj files you load yourself c)Injectors that overwrite other dials. old morphs can always be reinjected back in. and...... anything in particular you want for the face? Anton

I would choose option A. You can never have enough injectors.

A) will be the best for me. I like the idea with morph injection Chris

I prefer the A option. BTW, will DAZ|STUDIO hide the empty channels?

Personally, definitely not B. Poser 5 still usually forces the selection of a full path to a morph every time a new one is loaded (another P4 "feature" that made it into the "all-new" P5). Some asymmetry morphs would be useful, for added realism.

For what it's worth, I dislike the whole injector concept cause it's kind of a kludged approach, really confusing for newbies and takes forever to use them on slower CPU's/HD's (like my 500MHz Mac). I still prefer traditional Morph Targets so I'd say "B". I'd like to see a smile that effects more of the whole face - like crinkling around the eyes and the raising of the cheeks. Thanks - Dan

and...... anything in particular you want for the face?

More beast morphs. How about a canine/lupine muzzle, similar to Victoria 2's fox-face morph? The head certainly has enough polys to pull it off properly now.

I like the A option, but only if the unused channels for any morph is hidden. As it stands now I waste too much time trying to find the morphs that I have injected space out in the line of blanks.

I second Little Dragon's nomination! Sincerely, Bill, Renderosity's resident "furvert"

I vote for A.. I want a morph that smooths out the upper lip..what I mean is it takes all the curves out of the upper lip...I have tried and tried to get that effect with the morphs we have now, to no avail....alot of people have a small upper lip that is almost straight across withOUT curves...

Ugly morphs please - seriously, can we have some lop sided or trolly ones? Not everyone is gorgeous! That word above is troll-y: ie like a troll not like a shopping cart!

I opt for A) and echo Little Dragon... More creature morphs! More things, I have enough beautiful people in my Poser library:)

More slots please. I hate having to inject and wait, so I build one figure, inject everything, and save the .cr2. As for morphs, rather than whole face morphs, more that can be combined to get an effect desired. More face and nose shape, more head shape and chin shape. In P5 you can split morphs into right and left, so uneven isn't a problem for me. I'd also like to see more morphs for the chest and collar, not breast, but muscle control. Wish there was a way for you to package them to take advantage of the P5 morph grouping. All the mouth poses in one group, brow in another, etc. It makes it a lot easier to pose.

Dizzie, the smooth lip morph is included as a bonus shaping morph in the new Male Morph Pack. Breast morphs? As it is we scratch sizes 8, 9, and 10. What would they do? lol Cube shaped maybe? I really want to do a reptilian face. A the Sleestacks or the Visitors from "V". I hated the fox morph but would be interested in a wolf face. Is that ok? Send me pictures if you want. I do better with visuals. anton@daz3d.com

Hrm... A typical Vicky3 Character I cook up runs at or around 60MB each, though after removing the morphs I don't need/want the figure drops back down to 30 or so... but that's still 30MB per. Err, I tend to be big into tweaking mesh, and lots of morphs are sometimes necessary for me :) Fortunately, I have a PC with the horsepower sufficient to wrangle two of these 60MB behemoths at any one time (though it gets kinda slow w/ all the clothes and props added in, even in P4. I'd hate to think of what P5 must be doing under that kind of load...) Given this, I'd like to vote for Option A, but I'm still up in the air :) My current artistic interests are in creating younger faces, but some morphs I'd like to see for the adult vickies involve: * a way to round out the face more, or to make it square, oval, etc... like the overall shapes in earlier vickies. I'll shout more when I can think some more up :) /P

Anubis morph please. Wolf face would be great. Can you give the option of obj or injections? I like the inj myself, I just inject what I want and do a small chore in the den, lots to do there, and then it's done, but I know some folks still like the objs. I just hate having to look them all up and put them in myself, lazy I guess. Marque

Download sizes would be too large for multiple options. Bandwidth stuff.

I prefer the A option and would like to see more male face types. Alex

Yes, a wolf morph would be great, Anton! In fact, that's what Little Dragon was really attempting to create, a 3D interpretation of an on-line comic strip character, Florence Ambrose, the genetically "uplifted" Bowman's Wolf from Mark Stanley's "FreeFall." He merely used the Fox Face morph as a starting point. But if you can create an improved wolf morph, that would be even better! Reptilian morphs? Fascinating! Er, which Sleestaks do you have in mind? Out of a sense of nostalgia, I hope it's something akin to the early '70s version. Though I realize you can't replicate it exactly due to copyright issues. Now, if only we can convince you and the other DAZ greats to release an "Anthro' Parts" kit similar to the mermaid package, including extras like a transmapped ERC conforming tail and digitigrade lower legs (paw feet), I'd buy that in a shot. Don't get me wrong, the feline morphs for V3 are great and the Fantasy Feline textures are practically made for them, but there's always room for enhancements! Again, yes, I'd be interested in some wolf morphs! Sincerely, Bill, Renderosity's resident "furvert"

I vote for A as well. One thing I would like to see for the face are even more nose shaping morphs. I know there are alot already...but you can never have enough. Noses are quite diverse. LOL! I would particularly like a couple of "broken" nose morphs. My mother's nose was broken as a child and her nose is slightly crooked. It gives her face alot of character. Beast morphs would work for me too. LOL! Especially the wolf one.

I understand now.. Beast. I thought LittleDragon said Breast.

I'd like to see a rodent face morph to go with the ears. (If anyone has a series of morphs that would make a passable mouse anthromorph face, I'd like to know.)

The "Anthro' Parts" that Redfern suggested are a great idea, I second that request. Also Jaager did some chewing/blowing morphs for Victoria, could you add them to V3? Something to add more expression to the characters.

Hmmm.... option A seems best. Types of MTs - 1. Stuff that affects the lines of the face, its structure. High/prominent cheekbones, change jawline, flatten cheeks, forehead, deepen eyesockets, rounder forehead.... 2. Detail stuff: Overbite, puffy lips, pouty lips, smile lines, forehead creases, creases between eyes 3. Variations on aliens and such 4. Younger faces I'm sure lots of this is already built in, I haven't worked with V3 much yet - just ignore the ones that already exist. :] Fish

b) Object files * various male faces - from young and old * various female faces from young and old * baby face - hey, baby morph - it would be great to have a * better baby than mil - one with no extra necks * expressions * expressive harmony - where the face as an entirety responds to the expression

While I dislike the whole INJ kludge, I understand how confusing my preferred option B would be - so I vote A). Yes, despite having downloaded more Victoria patches than Poser 5 patches, I'd rather have consistency in the "character", with a given slot allocated to a given morph. As for what - beasts certainly! Musculature movement (obviously more than just face morphs here) would be cool too. Support for Poser 5's improved ability to categorise morphs would be almost best of all.

Don't hold your breath on the P5 thing.

I prefer B. It's what I'm used to, it's straightforward and familiar. I suggest more character morphs (full face). One can get a lot of interesting effects by combining several of these in varying proportions. Have you seen the "Bodymorpher" figure based on P4W? It has about 40 different complete faces as morphs, and it's fun to mix a couple at random and then fine tune the result.

Option A. I'm with Dan, a real smile morph. i have yet to be able to produce a real looking smile, they all seem so plastic, unatural ;-( If you look around the galleries you don't see a lot of smiling characters in the renders.

Beast morphs. More male morphs. Asymetrical morphs. Body morphs to better resemble clothes - e.g. smoothing the legs out by the knees so the second skin items look more like pants instead of tights. A morph to fix Vic3's male nipples. One is smooth against the skin like spandex while the other sticks out just slightly like a normal male nipple.

A Young morphs- I'm sure V3 can turn into a pre-teen and pre-schooler, both male & female. And a baby. Go for it. ;) An "Anthro' Parts" kit would be great, esp. if you added a more realistic centaur bottom. And a snake bottom to go with the reptilian head... why not add the cobra hood as well? ;) Need more lip varieties. Fish lips? :D Noses as well. A beak would be fun. More eyes too. How about a set on eye stalks? :D An anime version of V3 would be lots of fun too. Think of the creative hair you could add!

I go with whatever way you distribute the morphs-- We haven't run out yet let's wait awhile before another Sr please. Please some imaginative expression morphs, please-- Mouth screwed to the side, both sides, not at once! Tongue in cheek, bite lower lip, some move to right and left of mout that isn't a snarl or a smile but determination. Forehead wrinkles--I know we have some. Get your most expressive gal or guy and put them through their paces-- expressions are the most valuable tool we have to make lively pics. And, in the national department-- classical Greek faces, Classical renaissance faces, Arabic faces. Emily

I would like to have every morph for Vicky/V2 done by DAZ have an equivalent on V3. Definately more ways to reshape the eyebrows without radically distorting them. I think I like option C the best. Service releases are hard work, having to transfer all your reworking of figures/spawned morph targets over to the new figure. -WTB

blink Anton remembers the sleestacks. LOL Unless I missed it, last night I was trying to make V3's jaw more... square? Excuse this horrible explanation, but the part of the jaw back towards the ears. It was part of one of the chinese heads I think but I couldn't use the chinese head morph with the other head morph I was using.

Some morphs accomplish these things in reverse. Here is the recipe for a square jaw I like. Mandible Small -.5 JawlineSMooth(male Morph pack) -.3 Face Long -.2 Face Heart -.2 Chin Small .5

Recipe for a round face I like. Jaw Young .5 Face Square .5 Face Round -.3 Face Long -.2 Jawline Smooth 1.0 (Male Morph Pack) Brow Soft 1.0 Jaw Small -.5

I guess option A. I usually put all the head morphs in all the characters I save. That's my favorite part of Poser. I would love to be able to raise and lower the cheekbones so I can simulate pre- and post-puberty. Cupid-bow lips, almond-shaped eyes that don't look squished in the corners. I'd like to see and Australian aboriginal morph. Something that will make the lower lashes more visible (morph or texture map).

Anton Can you post more of your favorite combos? Thanks Keith

Option A will prolly work best in the long run, despite being Yet More Channels To Search Through. I second the call for the "full-face smile" (and frown) suggested above, and also second the "eyebrow shape changes" suggestion. Smoothing out the philtrum area has given me twitches, so a morph to do that easily would be sweet. April Follies

For lower more young cheekbones Smile1 -.25 Frown -.2 Smile Right -.15 Smile Left -.15 Cheekbone Small 1.0 Face long -.2 Hope these are helping. Kinda fun actually. Wouldn't mind doing a recipe column somewhere.

Option A. I would vote for additional Ethnic morphs; perhaps closer to cultural norms. I understand the history behind the current V3 Ethnic morphs, and have no problem with it, but I do believe there are cultural norms that could be utilized for morphs. As queri mentioned above, there are some additional ones that could be explored. It is convenient (as well as fun) to be able to play with Ethnic characters with the turn of a dial.

A wolf morph would be great! If its not androgynous, please include a male and female version, like you did for the orcs in the first expansion pack. Other "beast" morphs would be cool, too. This is kind of an odd request, but I'll make it anyway. I am working on doppelganger and would like it to have a very simplified, but horrific head; just a slit for a mouth, a couple holes where the nose should be, a couple holes for ears, and some big blank eyes. I know there might not be much demand for something like this, but no harm in asking I guess. Thanks! Jay

Option A's probably the best. Then C. I agree with what's been said here already--V3's included mouth morphs are great for expressions and speech, but don't do as much as they could for other uses of the mouth--chewing, tongue-in-cheek, etc. More age and male morphs are always nice to have, added asymmetry would be great, and I'd also like to see more variations on the nose and lips. Especially classically stylized morphs, and a couple of different variations on the nose bump morph. Maybe some cartoon-style morphs would be handy, too--anime or otherwise. Thanks!

I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I ain't read through the whole of this thread - apologies - maybe later. I'd prefer option A. Morphs I'd like to see: Ears gone (like Anthony Appleyard's for the other Mil figures) and Third Eye. A second inner mouth similar to Alien would be nice, too. :)

In fact, Eyes Gone and Nose Gone would be great, too.

Option A for consistency I would like smile morphs that affect the eyes, not just the mouth. It's kind of a pain to set the smile, then fiddle with the wince/blink morphs

Hi Anton, thanks for posing the question.

The one thing I'd really like to see worked on is eyeshape. I'm not sure how hard it would be to work on the general area of the eyes, but here's an observation. I was showing a friend of mine pictures of the Male morphs for V3 and we both agreed that the eyes still look female, at least the popup pictures on the product pages at DAZ. I haven't given V3 a major workout to see how much you can change the eye shape, but I assume that the more variety of looks that can be accomplished the happier everyone would be.

Other than that, I'd really like to see as many "real people" head (or body) morphs as possible. I may be a shmo but when did or has the Anna Marie Goddard morph, that was mentioned when the DazStudio forum post came out, been released in any morph package yet?
Anything like that or if you picked 5 really interesting or beautiful women and made morphs to change V3 into them (without making it too obvious, don't know how copyright figures into this) would be something I'd like to see.

BTW, been loving V3... OH YEAH! How about short-sleeve spandex morphs? I just wish there were an additional neck material zone so that I could have a crew-neck neckline on the catsuit...