Hi all, I've posted my last image in the art gallery and in 3 hours it is in 10th page. The amount of uploads here is impressive and it is good for renderosity, but for us is frustrating (we all know the being surclassed by naked plastic chicks is horrible). users of this site are thousand and thousand and everyone can ulpd 3 images per day. I'd like to improve the overall quality of this site because i miss a lot of good images only because they are hiddend between standard, without fantasy and boring images. So my idea is: since one takes, in average, some hours to make a good image why don't limit the upload to 1 image per day? So all the dudes that make simply images(hey i don't think that simply means ugly, you've understand me, I think) and have a lot of time to use their preferred program, maybe will think a bit more about what are they doing and will improve their images waiting to be able to upload it. What do you think? Bye, vasquez

This board has 151,084 members, with no less than 1000 on at any given time. So if even a fraction of these only posted one image per day, it would still be alot. This is why they have the galleries divided up into various subsections. So that particular styles can be seen without having to weed through images which are of no interest to you.

this is not true because i'd like certain type of images bht they are also covered with crap of the same genre...

This has been suggested over and over again but for whatever reason nothing has been done about it. Persoanlly I wouldn't mind even if they limited the amount of uploads to three per WEEK. It's not a solution to tell people to only look at some of the galleries... There are many people like me who like to view all kinds of artwork and browse the galleries using "All Galleries / What's New". I'd really like it if Renderosity limited the amount of uploads.

I agree too, it's particularly annoying when you actually finish images as infrequently as I do. ;) One a day would be plenty, and I don't even mind Eowyn's suggestion of 3 per week. Vasquez makes a good point as well about how it might motivate some people to spend just a little more time on their renders if they can't immediately post them. Anyway, just my thoughts as always. Take care. :) SnowS

I like it how it is right now.

A quick glance at the 'What's New' gallery (last 30 days) lists 904 pages of 18 images. That's over 16,000 images in a month, over 500 a day on average. I'm willing to bet that most of these are single uploads, with not many people putting up more than one or maybe two a day anyway, so reducing the limit isn't likely to have much of an effect on volume imo. Kev.

I also like it how it is now, You can add You favorite artist and images and get e-mail notise when there is new uploads from Your favorite artist, You have also that option favorite artist direct on Art Gallery meny.

I agree totally with Eowyn... Every time this comes up, I advocate one per day (or even one every few days). I think three per week is plenty. Perhaps people might spend more time on their images that way, or maybe only upload their best stuff. Maybe this rule could be broken for something like the product gallery, as that's different, and people don't go there to look at art necessarily. Otherwise, it's no fun to see work get buried by posts, and I like to be able to see the work. I don't have the time to surf through 200 images a day or however many are posted. And if you really want me to see the three different versions of your image, you can always post them in the forum for people to judge.

I think what kbennet said is true...most people already limit themselves to one per day at most. However, I'm in favor of a one-per-day limit, just in case it helps. It might also encourage people to consider which of their works are most worthy of posting, ideally cutting back on the "test render of my new toy" type images. Very rare is the person who can crank out three quality images a day, anyway. I've come to like the new genres system, after initially resenting it, however, some people's understandings of those genres are strange. I recently looked for "Poser, Abstract" images. The vast majority weren't abstract at all. Just the same old figurative "airbrushed Vicky" pics, for the most part. Oh well...

I think they are going to be posting definitions of the genre to help clarify things for people...but as long as it is at the discretion of the person posting, you are going to get wide ranges of interpretation. I also like having a favorite artist's list. I have to admit, I am much more eager to visit a former favorite than to seek out anyone new on the lists. I tend to look at someone who has posted "look at this" on the forum than I am to sort through the galleries. I really don't think reducing the number of postings is going to significantly change things. When you are new, you tend to post more because you're excited about everything you do (at least that's been my experience). I don't know that I like the idea of discouraging new people by inferring that if everything doesn't look like a more experienced artist, it doesn't deserve to be posted. Part of the game is to learn how to improve technique. So if you don't post at the early stages, how exactly to you get an opportunity to learn how to make something better? Some people post to the forums but not everyone makes that choice (though I think thats more valuable for getting advice). Some of us just post and don't put much value into getting high numbers of views. I'd rather get just a few views from people truly interested in what Im doing than I am in getting a ton of hits because I've plastered my gallery with a bunch of plastic breasts.

And if you really want me to see the three different versions of your image, you can always post them in the forum for people to judge. Amen. Seriously, people DO that. They might post three versions of the same image, the only difference is the camera angle or perhaps the lighting.. why not post them in the forums instead? And what I'm wondering is why the Renderosity administration is always against limiting the gallery posts to one per day even though the new limit would only have a positive effect on Renderosity financially... less gallery posts, less bandwidth costs..? And like xoconostle said above.. very few people can come up with three quality images in one day anyway.

Let's face it, the administration is damned if they do and damned if they don't. As soon as they put a 1 a day restriction, there will be as many or more people who will post in outrage that they are being so limited, and so it goes. Do we have any real statistics on how many people actually post multiple graphics a day? I suspect fewer than we are speculating about. Is the problem that too many people are posting? Or is the problem that some people posting feel ignored and think that they will get more views if there was less competition for viewing minutes? But that doesn't necessarily follow. If you're not creating an image I'm interested in, I don't care if you are the only person posting, I won't look. You may have spent 300 hours creating a graphic, but that doesn't mean it is of interest to me. And when I post, I expect to be ignored because I don't do the kind of graphics that grab attention...no matter how many hours I dedicate to creating them (and hours invested does not reflect quality of results). That may be true of other people as well. I suspect what is being asked is a better way to drum up view numbers. And is that the most important thing to you? If so, then probably announcing your latest and most fabulously incredible graphic on the forum will be more effective than passively posting on the gallery.

I like it how it is now. Some days I get lucky and can get a few renders done and sometimes I have something I have been working on more then one day that I do two versions of not to mention the ones I do for contests that can not be posted till the contest is over. Only one a day would bother me big time and I would most likly take my art else where so I could upload two or three a day if I wanted. Not to think anyone would miss my works lol

Blazerwiccan, now that you mention it, that's a good point. Just because three graphics are posted on the same day doesn't mean they were all created that day. Thank you for pointing that out. There's always more than one way of looking at these things.

I think Rawnrr is pretty much on target here. If you go to a large public university with huge classes, you're probably not gonna get a lot of individual attention from the professors. Renderosity is the largest Poser site and probably one of the largest user submitted galleries on the 'net. Getting buried is pretty much inevitable. Your images would likely get more attention on a smaller site, even if fewer people go there. Periodically, I see messages from people who have sites and want people to submit images to their galleries. I'm not suggesting that people abandon this site, just consider some of the alternatives - smaller pond, bigger splash. "Joe Blow's Poser Fiefdom and Used MP3s" may not be as "prestigeous" as Renderosity, but if it's prestige you want, make a printout and send it here: Museum of Modern 11 West 53 Street New York, NY 10019

Well, why don't we just create a CRAP genre! I'm sure that everyone who posts what you(understood) consider to be crap will realize that this is the area to post their images! I have it! Why doesn't Renderosity just come up with a "SH!T LIST"! It would involve a little box nextt to the image, that when checked by the viewer, will put the artist on this list. The viewer will then have the luxury of all images created by said artist to be blocked! This way everyone's little fingers won't get tired or cramped from clicking a "next" button all day. What do you think Mods? Or should these artists be "banned for lack of talent"? I think this whole thing is childish, arrogant, and is the same waste of space that everyone is complaining about. Only this time it is in the forums, where budding artists go for help or to have a question answered. It's nice to see that everyone is so comfortable in their own capabilities that they feel they have the right to call other works garbage.

There. That's my waste of forum space.

And what I'm wondering is why the Renderosity administration is always against limiting the gallery posts to one per day even though the new limit would only have a positive effect on Renderosity financially... less gallery posts, less bandwidth costs..? yes, this is one of life's great mysteries. I agree with limiting posts. it takes me a long time to get as close as i can to what is in my head, down on a render. and, then, they often do get buried by stock poser figures centered in a render with pretty much default stuff. maybe, my stuff is not what dialyn wants to see, but, i know there are some who do...i like to cruise the gallery. each morning i look at the hot 20 to see what i missed the day before due to the sheer quantities of uploads. and, everyday, i wonder how many i missed, that i would have enjoyed...even learned from...that did not make it to the 20. Three a week seems good, to me. that way...if you did create 3 at different times...you could still upload all three at once.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=Luis

i think we can ALL learn. i sure know that there are many, many techniques that i haven't tried, yet. but, the emphasis is on ALL...let's see...i think even the artist of the year can learn something from some of the other contenders...i think that the more techniques you SEE, the more you learn from. sadly, i don't learn anything from the renders with no techniques. i think it would be much more fun for all of us if we looked carefully at what is out there, and, said..."wow", i wonder how they did that pose/lighting/texture/pov/or, postwork? i wonder if i could play and come up with my own version. and, guess what else? i bet those folks listed as "favorite" artists wouldn't hate to be asked for a brief explanation of techniques. no one is probably gonna go up for the job decider of what is crap. that is for each and everyone of us to decide before we post a 10 minute stock render, dead center, with crossed eyes, and 85 percent of the render a background. if we'd look twice at our own work...even look at it the next day to see if we still think it is as awesome as the day before....why, we just might become our own "crap" monitors.

Huh?!?!? Who me?

Poppi, I agree to a degree. Renderosity probably could find a better way of handling such a large number of images. Quite frankly, I think the thumbs are way too large. Just making them smaller would allow you to view more to a page, right? Why not think about working around the problem(Poser users are all used to this anyway) instead of adding more and more limitations and judgements. Everyone seems to be forgetting what their first renders looked like. Artists are not born, they become. Renderosity is very big, you will always find that you have missed something. That is part of the attraction for me, the reward is finding that burried treasure. Besides, how would you know a "great work" if you had nothing to compare it to. Poor images only make your own look better, some people need the confidence booster or they may just give up on something they love.

Mark

Here is one more reason I feel it would be a bad idea to limt to one per day or even 3 per week. A Promo image uploaded to the Product Showcase Gallery counts as one image upload. If you have a new product out and you have been waiting to post two of the promo images in the showcase gallery and you did a render for your gallery the same day the product came out you could not post all 3 in one day if the rules were changed to either suggestion above. And for me at least that would be a royal pain. Not to mention another thing that would bug me to not be able to see Story renders like the ones Turtle does I would hate to wait for so long to see what happens next Not trying to upset anyone or start a major flame war just posting my option as you all have. :)

Sorry, iamonk....I got overheated. Many apologies.

Dialyn...Luis definately deserves the publicity!

Poppi...We all know what you are saying, I am my hardest critic. I sometimes see more technique in some of the "crap" than my own work. Notice my gallery is empty, mainly due to comments similar to those in this thread and others that pop up from time to time. My sarcasm is often misjudged, so why not my work? I do not want to be labeled, nor would I like to be limited. Renderosity gives space for artistic expression, it would be a shame if little by little it were taken away.

Mark

Dialyn, no need to apologize.

Absolutely need to apologize ... and I agree with you. I think tolerance of different levels of skill is needed around here...and perhaps being a little less judgmental (and I certainly need to learn that lesson). I would hate to see the day when only the fully developed artists are allowed to post here. I think there has been a step in the right direction for trying to bring attention to those who might otherwise get lost in the galleries. The Favorite Artists for each of us. Creating genres. Those people who highlight on the forums people of particular note. Seems to me that encouraging people of talent is more beneficial than discouraging people who are still learning and growing. Art is a very personal thing...it is not one size fits all. And I do aplogize, Mark. Sometimes I read and write faster than my brain processes. Bad on me.

I would have two suggestions for improvement of the galleries: 1. Put a rule that thumbnail must represent the picture in full and not only in part. I know, it is fun and creative to cut thumbnails, I do that too. But a whole picture thumbnail is much more useful to users that browse a big gallery, it lets you understand immediately if you may be interested in a picture or not. It would speed up browsing and make the flood of images posted much more manageable 2. Create a "Premium" art gallery where members are allowed to post not more than 1 or 2 images per week. Preferably 1, I would say. This Premium gallery will act as a "showcase" where the best of each artist is represented. This way, it'll be much easier to know new artists and their work, and then maybe be able to add them to favorites and track them. Finally I would suggest to power up the favorite artist function, by making it private, so one does not have to clutter his own Rosity homepage with a long list.

I myself find it easy to respond in haste, lashing out at those that may discourage. I too apologize. Renderosity seems to be doing it's best at keeping everyone as happy as possible, it is all a learning experience. Everytime I see one of these threads, I take a look at the galleries of those posting the negative comments. Sometimes I see professional work, sometimes I see images that fit their own definition of crap. Sometimes I even see a little of both and have to wonder if the gold would have come if they had been told that they were making garbage. The world needs more artists.

Mark

lol...my first poser renders were with poser 1. so, basically, they were nothing BUT postwork...with my ever so hot psp3.5. somewhere around then, i got bryce 2. my first "model" that i tried to make with booleans was a green frog on a lily pad...who was in love with a fishing bobber. i had to submerge his backend, because my booleans didn't work and it was just like an ugly blob. but, heyas...i cheerily put him up on my website...it was poppibird.webjump.com...he stayed there for years until webjump folded. granted, he was far from technically perfect...but....and, here is the big but (not the frog's big butt)I SPEND A LONG TIME MAKING HIM. I GAVE EVERY CARE TO MAKE HIM AS PERFECT AS I COULD WITH WHAT I HAD ON HAND. and, to this day, i am still proud of him...although, i can't find that render. i think the problem is not so much "lack of skill"...skills grow. and, an artist who i respected (do respect)to the nth degree emailed me about my stupid little frog and told me i had "raw" talent. we need to look inside and see where our own "raw" talent lies. i like artists who have a "style". i can see their thumb among 18 thumbs, and, immediately recognize their work. i think that if all of us went with what personifies "our" work...we'd make the gallery much friendlier viewing. and, dialyn...don't sell yourself short....i know you're playing with wings, doncha know. when are we gonna see a dialyn render using a model she made with wings? (i played with it the last couple of days and DAMNED...no one wants to see any of that.)

Maybe making the Favorite Artists public or private could be opt in or opt out, but personally I rather like going to one of my Favorite Artists and seeing what he or she likes...which may lead me to yet another treasure. :) I don't know about a premium gallery. That assumes that we all know whether or not we are creating junk. I would put none of my graphics in a premium gallery. Some one else might think everything they do is premium. Who makes the decision? Dangerous waters. Sorry, I can't agree about the thumbnails either. A large, complex picture is impossible to see properly if condensed down to a thumbnails. That only works for portraits or single figures. Some graphics would turn into a mass of colored pixels if sized down. I'm a contrarian today. Smile at Mark. :)

Dialyn, I did not mean (maybe I wrote it down non properly) that a public list should disappear, only that we should have a private one, too. About the premium gallery... well we can find another name for it if Premium sounds "too much". I did not mean that we should value ourselves as premium artists, only, that it would be good to have a gallery where one (everyone) can upload not more than 1-2 pictures per week. Good or bad. The reason I suggested this, is because I wanted to offer a possible solution that adds possibilities instead of subtracting. All present possibilities wouls stay, and in addition we would have more. About the thumbnails: I don't think that a 200 pixels is too little unless one has made the Sistine Chapel! ;-) But anyway a solution could be to raise the limit up to 300 pixels. It'll always be preferable IMHO to have a larger thumbnail that shows it all, rather than a cryptic thumbnail that shows a tit or a gun, and lets you wonder what's beyond that, and most of the time, you find out that you did waste your time by enlarging that picture, and so you end up not enlarging them anymore (and maybe loose some great works)

one per day or a couple a week is still to much - the best here take a week or more to do just a single pic. Most ppl use this place to post practice images.

I think I average 1 every couple of months. So a limit wouldn't effect me. But they get buried in the first few hours. I've had IM's stating they didn't know I had a gallery. A limit on posts would be good, say, one a day. That would at lest give me a chance to veiw more with this slow modem.

While we're at it, let's clean up the forums also. One post per day, limit threads to 5 responses, and disallow all WIPs(too slow for slugline users). Come to think of it...we could cut out the infamous Dr. Geep tutorials. They are often the highlight of my day, but in order to enhance everyone's viewing experience, I guess I'll have to forfeit something. To save bandwidth we could kill the freebie section, YEAH THAT SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. You all want and want, taking whatever you can get. Tolerance people, give a little for everything that Renderosity and it's members give you! If nothing else, tolerence, it doesn't cost a thing but is worth so much. People have the chance to view your gallery, so what if it doesn't stay in the 10 or even 100 newest. If you want more viewers, advertise. All this would be justified if the same person, over and over, posted their maximum PLUS cluttered the forums with WIPs of every stage of creation. You seem to want every image you view to be a masterpiece, get used to the fact that it won't. The only people that could possibly have a complaint are those that do nothing all day but sift through the galleries hoping for inspiration, finding none, and thus not being able to justify all the time they sat and stared at the monitor when they could have been productive with their lives. I think that is the longest run-on that ever came out of my head, but in any case... One could also complain about all the complaining around here.

Mark

Come to think of it...we could cut out the infamous Dr. Geep tutorials. They are often the highlight of my day, but in order to enhance everyone's viewing experience Mark...you are going over the top with this remark. soooo....the self designated clue fairy is gonna hit you over the head with her clue/glue stick.... i'm sorry some folks hurt your feelings, regarding your renders. i'm sorry that you don't believe in yourself enought to continue posting. (i've been trolled by the likes of liftan and am still here). you said: "If you want more viewers, advertise." to me, advertising lately equals spam. and, i refuse to do it. but, why am i responding to one who would kill the freebie section?

I think, though I have no right to speak for him, that Mark is using sarcasm again. I believe if you interpret the comments he made about Dr. Geep and the freebies opposite of what he wrote, you will discover his true meaning. I wouldn't want to be the person who comes between me and Dr. Geep's tutorials!!!! :)

Mark, Hear Hear well said! You said it better then I ever could have and never would have had the nerve to say :) I agree with you whole heartly.

Sarcasm yes, I do so love to indulge.

Does no one realize that by limiting the posts to the gallery, that it will spill over into the forums in the form of WIPs?

I've been browsing the gallery, something I don't have much time for, regretably. I think people should pull the sticks out of their rectums, that's where all of their criticisms should go! There was not ONE image that I saw that any one of you have the right to belittle. Shame! Renderosity does not judge what is or is not ART, why should any of you?

...and thank you for your support!
Mark

I agree with Orio about the thumbnails. If it looks like a thumb doesn't represent the entire picture I totally skip it. Actually makes browsing easier and faster that way. So upload 50 a day and I won't care 'cause I wont look unless the thumb shows the whole picture.

The problem would seem to be that no solution will satisfy everyone. I don't mind the partial thumbnails to view, and I'm not going to squash my graphics for the sake of getting the approval of people who like to view micrographics. Other people want no thumbnails, smaller thumbnails, larger thumbnails. So, it would seem, another no win, no win situation for the Renderosity folk. So I will happily ignore your graphics and I will gratefully accept your avoidance of mine. :) Enjoy your evening all. It's been...interesting...as always.

Dialyn, the purpose of a thumbnail everywhere else is to let viewers see what the graphic is. Why do you think it should be different here? Artists have 'squished' their graphics to make thumbnails for years. Do you think a thumbnail is a new form of art? See how well I can crop? Maybe we should start a gallery for thumbnails. And you know who hates it? Viewers. You know who loves it? submitters. For those with only a modem connection it is an insult and arrogant: Come see my graphic no matter what it looks like. I'll not even let you know if the next two minutes of your download time is worth it.

No, the idea behind these thumbs is to give an idea of what you will be seeing when you click on it. In these cases it adds an artistic element of suspense. The main purpose of a thumb is to eliminate the "need" to download the full image. It is you that determines whether or not the thumb represents something you may want to look at. I'm a viewer, I prefer a partial thumb. If I saw the whole pic, I wouldn't need to DL the image. I guess I'm the only one then, so what?

Don't blame the artist for the speed...blame your connection. For 1.5X the price of slug line, you can surf 10X the speed! I think it is justifiable. Skimp where you wish, but my connection was the first thing I upgraded. Dial-ups and AOL are a thing of the past. It was all worth it when I got to tell AOL to "GO SUCK A FART"

Bull hockey. I've checked the prices in my area and there is no way I can afford it with the setup I have. A thumbnail of the picture does NOT mean you don't have to view it. How paranoid can would-be artists be? Sheesh. The thumbnail lets me see general composition, color, and subject and if the picture looks interesting I VIEW it. Artisitc element of surprise? how quaint.

AOL-$25.00/MONTH COMCAST-$39.99/MONTH At about 50 cents a day, it's easy to justify. I am truly sorry if that is too pricey for you!

Not here. I've researched. Getting me to broadband would cost the household $85/month for our internet access and we can't justify that...letalone any setup costs. Weird situation here. I'm still against those dorky thumbnails on principle.

Must be nice to have a choice to upgrade. I don't, not where I live. Unable to with old phone lines. That still doesn't stop me from looking through the gallery. It does limit how many I can see. I'm always wondering what I have missed. Thumbnails help, I can get the gist of the render, lighting, postwork. Quality of the thumb is not as important as what it portrays. I don't waist my time on renders without thumbs, unless I recognize the artist's name.

If you had a one-per-day or three-per-week restriction, how would it operate? It's one thing to put up a rule and another thing again to enforce it. I doubt if the software would handle it automatically, and trying to keep track of who posted how many images manually would be a nightmare.

A pretty little controversy. I'm glad, I really needed something to get my mind off the war. Conflict without bloodshed is good. Call me crazy, but I like the "artistic mystery" of the partial thumb. Of course, I like photorealism, so it's usually pretty to pick things out from just a piect of the entire image. Seeing the entire image doesn't help me if I have to put my nose to the radiation emitting device to tell what it is. How about: Text only thumbs. If you can't hook 'em in 5 words or less, too bad. The Reverse Commission. You have to pay 25 cents for each picture you post. Proceeds go to charity - 10% for me since it was my idea. The Forced Image. There is an exclusive, super-premium gallery. People are picked at random and ordered to post a Naked Vicky image there or be banned for a month. The Surprise. 1 random image in 1000 hides a $10 prize for the first viewer. 1 image in 500 is Anna Nicloe Smith posing in badly fitting fantasy armor. God bless us every one.

ROFL!

LOL!!!

The technicalities of limiting posting to one image a day shouldn't be a problem - there's already a 3 a day limit, isn't there? I haven't noticed many people posting more than one image a day anyway - and sometimes I think it's good that my latest/greatest render gets quickly buried - I tend to go off them (or maybe see more clearly) about 30 seconds after posting...