I love Rubenesque women. Keep up the good work - we need more women with hips in the galleries. :)

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Rubenesque women have been the norm in art until recently in the 20th century. I like your image. One of my favorite art sites is the art of Will Kramer. He uses poser and tweaks poser characters til they look more 'real' (my words not his). I've included a link to his site, if you haven't seen his work I highly recommend it. There is also a interview with him by him (?) where he discusses his art and size of his women in his picture. Love images of plus size women, seems to be a rarity in poserland.

Silver - your image is every bit as beautiful as a Rubens. BUT, I don't think it merits the title "Rubenesque" - your woman is fairly skinny when compared to actual Rubens women (search for examples on the net). Since Rubens woman type was the "Playmate" of their day, we can all see that ideals change so fast that any comment about what is and isn't beautiful is bound to sound a little silly ;o) Your image DOES have good lighting, comp, color harmony, and a beautiful pose, so I'd call it art - good art!

As another Poser person who is fond of using models who are larger than the standard Vicki (not necessarily larger than the standard woman, though!), I've had a couple of comments left which refer to the size of my subject, too! I love your image, LSM - and I think that, from an artistic point of view, fleshier models have more interesting folds and shapes than yer basic taut Vicki. I'm just off to add you to my favourite artists, LSM - I would have missed this latest work if you'd not highlighted it here - and I was very impressed with your previous rubenesque lady, too! (I think I left a comment to that effect at the time). Would also love to hear from others who use non-standard body shapes for Vicki - I find them inspiring!

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As I wrote in the gallery, it's a great image. And it IS strange how "real" people can be so apparently scary. Like old people. They're scary too, so let's lock them up in "homes" and keep them out of view..... erhm... It seems some people just can't cope with the fact that they simply do not remain teenagers for all their life. And those who try usually end up pretty pathetic in my book. Look at Cher. It can be debated if she's beautiful or not, but does she look "real"? I once made a pic with not only nude overweight people in it. It was even 2 overweight MATURE people! I was pleased back then to see that it got only positive comments. But perhaps it was due to the fact that not so many people SAW it? *G* Anyway, should you like to see it (again?) it's at the link above :o) If we want our Poser world to reflect reality, then it's necessary to get beyond the skinny Barbie look imho :o)

Argh.. forgot. Please note that the picture at my link contains nudity!

I am familiar with Will Kramer's work and I love the shape of his women - very natural. I used "rubenesque" so viewers would know it was a larger woman. She actually is bigger than the lighting makes her look though, I wanted to highlight her curves while keeping her a bit mysterious. Then I added post lighting when I was done and it was even darker so you don't see the full weight in her arms and such. But yes, compared to a real Ruben she's "petite" lol Perhaps heavier women/models are acceptable in the work of the classics but considered out of place in the modern world?

In Rubens' day, the rich set the standards. The poor did what the rich did not want to do : worked hard, mostly outdoors, and far from always had enough to eat. So muscled, tanned and emaciated was plebeian. Soft, white and plump was proof positive that you were well off. Nowadays, the middle class sets the standard. Difference is that now WE do what we don't like : work inside, get more food than exercise, and only see the sun when we leave the office. So muscled, tanned and fashionably emaciated is proof positive that you are well off. Funny, ain't it ;o)

I love your image, it is really well done, especially with the shading but bold lips and eye coloring. I do want to say though that I don't much feel like being hidden away :) naah. In regards to the comment, I don't think it was necessary it was his opinion yes-no argument there-but his personal commentary didn't have anything to do with the image. Not, a..'hey you could have done X better ,or I like the use of Y, or even a simple not my style,don't like it'....but the shrug it off, sounds like a good idea. Definitely a fan of larger ladies imagery, any type really, man woman, skinny fat. :)

The world would be a pretty boring place if were were all the same size. It would be just as boring if the entire world looked just like Houston (don't mean to offend any Texans, but you get my drift- besides, it would really suck if it looked like Salt Lake City :)). It's like saying a landscape image sucks because it's an image of a beach and you really love mountains.

LSM, I wouldn't let any one person get you down, and it doesn't appear he has :) Sometimes I think the gallery is populated by fourteen yr-olds still proud of sprouting their first wood. Don't worry about it.

That said, I think there are larger issues here... like why the swimsuit edition of a frikkin' SPORTS magazine is their largest selling issue of the year. Why it was first Maxim, then Stuff, now countless clones of what seems to be the same magazine. But it's not all their fault. Cosmo and Glamour and others have been having rail-thin women on the cover for years and years (and if they aren't thin enough, they photoshop 'em). I wouldn't have a problem at all with the magazines as long as there was some kind of "equal time" for different figure types. Something that people could look at and say "hey, that looks like me." I'm not about to say there should be a law about it... but it does say something when the buying power determines what magazines stay and go... what movies are made and those that get tossed. My wife and I have talked about this too many times (we agree, btw). Unfortunately, I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. Media does effect perception, in my opinion. What we see, over time, does effect how we think. A lot of Maxim/Stuff/etc readers are going to grow up with the mistaken idea that they're going to get it on with someone named Pam 24/7, when it's more likely their destiny lies in a trailer park with an empty case of Bud laying on the floor while they help Springer keep his ratings up.

So why do the rags seem to be pressing this image of beauty out there? Because people are buying it. I guarantee you, if everyone abstained from buying Cosmo, or Maxim for a couple months, they'd be gone, governed by the power of the dollar.

ok, sorry for the diatribe, but I couldn't help it. However, I do know that SI won't get a dime from me until they get a woman with some serious hips on the cover of that swimsuit issue :)

LSM, keep making that stuff you make. I just wish more people would actually read the words above the comments box: "your helpful comments for improving this image".

Will

Just want to say that your image inspires me to one day do an image of a rubenesque woman also. I got the V3 Expansion Pack 1 not for the zombies but in fact for the plus size morph which is an improved version of the heavy morph in the V3 body morph. Wondering if you've seen that.

My problem (yes, I know I have many) is not getting the larger sizes of the figures, but to find clothes that fit them properly. The Tailor has defeated me, Steve Shanks has a few dresses, but there is precious little else I've seen available. Since I don't do nudes and modeling is beyond my mediocre skills, it makes it more difficult. If anyone has discovered a source of large sized clothing for Poser figures, male or female, or has any hints on how to enlarge existing clothing without it looking strange, I sure would appreciate it. But it has to be pretty basic...once you get into rewriting code and all that jazz, I'm lost. I don't have anything against the nudes in themselves, but I prefer to do more realistic graphics and that requires clothing beyond the skins.

Realistic is not the right term...every day scenes/slice of life is what I do. LadySilverMage's figure is obviously very realistic....and I think it is beautiful. But it's not what I want to do.

dailyn, you mention getting the clothes to fit right. That's the exact reason I gave up on it and started painting them years ago. It's frustrating, although I must admit, the new morphing clothes for v3 work well most of the time.

Funny how one thing leads to another, doesn't it? I had no idea when I started with Poser how expanded my horizons were going to get out of necessity. ;)

"...I've been an artist for a long time now, and as I've gotten older and much more mature, I realize I haven't a clue what art is - but I sure do know what I like!" "Criticism only matters to me when I can't grab a good creative idea from it." "The purpose of Art is to provoke a response."

Rubens, Picasso, Mondrian, Kandinsky, Chagall, Brancusi, Feiniger, Dali, Giotto, Da Vinci, Donatello, Micelangelo, Poussin, Van Gogh, Rapha, Pollock, Ingres, Gainsborough, Goya, Velasquez... They never were serious artist I suppose, for they never published in Penthouse comic (lol). So many shapes, so many different feelings, so many messages. Nevertheless I suppose the commentator never interested himself in any artistic research... :)

I agree with Astride ;) Lets get more "sizeable" women on the field :) (just check out Ernyoka's Real world ppl ;) Genious. And your image is really very good!

I could just imagine some bigot guy in a museum, looking at a Picasso and going: "DAMN! She's a Fat ugly B***H!" How many people would agree with that guy? Not me I tell ya!

LOL, but wouldn't you be surprised that he was in the museum at all??

I guess I would be LOL! I'd be less surprised if I found the Queen of England sitting behind the counter in a local 7-11!

He certainly wouldn't be in a cinema for Fellini's films..