Effective April 7th, 2003: All uploads will be held for review to ensure accordance with the guidelines listed in the Disclaimer. Once the item is approved it will be made available to all Renderosity members for download. If your item does not show up immediately, that is why! It will show up in freestuff after it has been approved. Thank you for your assistance in making this a great site to be, Lyrra (Moderator)

Quick question Lyrra.
For those of us who have freestuff hosted by friends, and have created site links will this effect approval??

Meaning if I upload an item and have the link take downloaders to the hosting site rather than the file itself, will I be approved??

I've already mentioned this in an IM, but- please can there be some sort of indication that an upload was successful right away, even if the freestuff item isn't made available for some time? My connection from home is bad, so I never know if an upload worked unless I get some sort of confirmation message. Half the time they've timed out and I have to repeat the post, but as things are with Freestuff at the moment I wouldn't know that.

Good idea to vet the freebies before release, btw. Hopefully it will eliminate- or at least greatly reduce- the problems the freestuff section has experienced.

As a little sort-of amendment to my last post, I notice that there is an email message sent once an item has uploaded successfully and is pending approval. My email's not always terribly instantaneous either. I'm just impatient and want everything NOW. ;)

Thank you.....

As long as the site hosting your stuff falls within our TOS for acceptable links, then there will be no problem. So, no links to adult only sites, pay membership only sites, or sites condoning illegal software distribution. We are working on the code right now ... the programmer is tweaking it. Please let us know if there are any issues on your side. Lyrra the Busy

OMG... Who - and how many - people are you going to assign to this task? Considering how long it takes for items in the MARKETPLACE to show up (ok they're tested and all) I foresee a considerable amount of time before any freebies will show up. Not that I don't understand the background for this action, but.. Who are going to test and what criterias are they using? How thorough CAN they check for possible copyright infringements? I mean.. noone can know of ALL the 3D items that are available on the Internet. Sorry if I sound negative, it just seems like a very big amount of work for whoever is going to test these things. Ah well, let's see how bad it gets :o) Hopefully it works ok.

Well I suppose if this system becomes to big a pain we can always start posting our free stuff at the 3dcommune or esle where. C'est la Vie.

Well, the approval process for free stuff isn't anywhere as strict as MP testing. The main thrust of it will be to make sure that the things Lyrra mentioned above are complied with. We're hoping to be able to approve items within days, not weeks. Copyright is always a toughie. Of course you're right that nobody can possibly know all items sources, but hopefully this step will allow us to spot the more obvious breaches. We'll still have to rely on you good folks to point out ones that we will inevitably miss. Kev.

ernyoka1 , Just so you know, over the past few months we have already gone through most of the Freestuff section. With most new things being in the Marketplace and not Freestuff, checking isn't really that much work now since mostly just the new stuff needs to be checked. Cybermonk, how about you try supporting them.

Well, I thought paying for web space and creating stuff and giving it away was supporting the community.

Alas- as much as I consider caleb a dear and great friend, and respect the integrity of the other mods here. I am afraid that this is the end of the free stuff section on Renderosity. Most ppl who post a link here allready have a hard enought time finding hosting space. We allready host our own stuff on out own sites. So, adding another layer and a time limit is just going to make the process even more of a hassle then it all ready is. Stoping a lot of damn fine modelers and texture makers from adding there stuff to your list. Further more, all that you contributing to free stuff is a list. Your not hosting thumbnails, Your not hosting the free item taking away the tremendous burdon of bandwidth. All your providing is a list. Many, many such list exist elsewhere. Again, I say, this many be the fatal wound that kills renderosity's dominance in the internets 3d community. I can see the other sites sitting back in glee waiting for the major increase in traffic thats coming there way. This has nothing to do with warez, but with a desire to micro manage everything- and to appease a few very loud bitchers... LOL- sounds like goverment Geo

This is about the people who are abusing the system. I am sure the process won't delay your freebies so long that you will have to pull them and post them at 3DCommune or elsewhere. But I think a bit of patience in the beginning would help alot. I don't see how having to wait a bit before upload prevents anyone from enjoying providing freebies to their friends and such. Geo, we were asking to remove as many as three freebies a week. you are way off.

Geo is not off. Freestuff is as much art as any other post on this site, its mostly and oftenly privately hosted. These people can just as well leave and go to less hassle places instead of staying, waiting and being brought down on becuase of biasedness.

Oh please. That is a cheap shot. Fyi: been here 7 years. With Daz 5 months. I paid my dues already. lol Watching way too much X-Files.

Whoa folks! Not to step into the middle of the fray that seems to be starting, but I applaud Renderosity's position on this. Recently a file was put into freestuff that was in clear violation of copyright infringement. It however was due to lack of knowledge of distribution of that type of file. By having just one additional step involved in the process it protects RO from redistribution of copyrighted material. They are just covering their butts. For the past few hours I've been dealing with a copyright infringement issue myself with some of my renders being used in web sets by a designer to whom I've told no to repeatedly. I understand that many others give their approval for usage of their work, but when one doesn't, and others either blatantly or in ignorance do so, it's enough to make the blood boil. On this designer's site I saw renders from LisaB, LaurieS, Sinamin, Vali, and more along with mine. What makes it worse, is these images are made into web sets and then from what I can tell being redistributed by the web set designer, claiming them as her own. Yes, she has made the web set, but she didn't create the image. Ack, enough....but although my position may make me unpopular (and I love the free stuff as much as anybody), I truly understand the reasoning behind this measure. Blues

hi BlueP-- if 'osity is distributing stuff- how come I'm paying the bandwidth bills.

The new crap for freestuff does suck. I follow all the guidelines, host my own files on my own server, etc so why should it matter how long its in the freestuff? Really, each entry takes up so little space in the database. What little bandwidth used by my products over the server, have been more than paid for when I had a store here. Yes, some policing is needed in freestuff, but mostly for getting rid of dead links. Honestly I haven't seen any products that violated anything in the TOS, so why review everything? That'd only burden the already over worked r'osity people. Just keep an eye out, and when something is there that shouldnt be, you simply remove it.

RE distributing stuff Geo. If it went into court regarding a copyright infringement they would be cupable as well as the person on whose site the product is stored. For instance...KAZAA. Kazaa doesn't store the files themselves, they are on the various individuals websites, but if one of the major companies wanted to make a stink, then Kazaa would be held as much responsible for the offending files as would the person who had the files on the computer that were being downloaded. Like I said I love the freebies! The artists that do upload their free files to RO do so out of graciousness and sometimes as promotional enhancements. From what I read the procedure is going to only cause a short delay.

The problem has been that even after two days, a freebie can have over 1000 downloads. V2 and all her morphs has been in freestuff several times already. I personally have had 5 outfits, 3 hairstyles, 4 textures packs, and 3 prop warez'd in freestuff. Mostly, items were removed without anyone ever knowing which is why you may think it is not a common occurance. But it is. I know of at least 25 instances since January where freestuff items needed to be removed. More that I was not apart of. I think Renderosity is doing the resposible thing and should be supported for it. I personally would be more annoyed at those who insist on doing it over and over again. It is just a review. I don't think a ssmall delay is posting worth getting frothy over. :)

I understand the need to thwart the theft of the property of the creators, but this is a "link approval" system. Nothing is actually getting uploaded... Nothing against Celeb or the Mods, but this seems a bit off. What about people who post links to elsewhere here in the threads because of the nailing of bandwidth by even posting in freestuff (or even for a presentation value)? I mean just linking a thumbnail eats bandwidth when several thousand people view the freestuff. Gratefully, Crescent has hosting some of my freestuff, but I tend to post freebie links in here for people who are more discerning about their downloads. There are several others with weekly freebies that do the same.

See- ppl can have a disagreement and still be civil to each other- this must be a first here :) I think kazzaa HAS been taken to court several times- each time they have been found not liable for what other ppl do with there software (I watch tech tv, lol)any more then say photoshop is liable for someone making kiddy porn, or 'osity for makeing a public access free listing. I'm not saying some don't make mistakes either by accident or purposfully and post something in free stuff that shouldn't be. But to declair martial law because a burgler is in town isn't the right thing to do to everybody else either. But as the Daz representative said- only 3 violations a week out of the hundreds is nothing- a pittance. The posters of free stuff, like you said are as often as not, total amitures, shit happens. Just pull them when ya see something is wrong- hell- the mod could do it that way. Now buying a gun and posting to free stuff are in the same catagory. Prove your innocence first- then aquire. so I can't spell- shoot me-LOL- after you pass the 3 day waiting list :)

I'm not against the monitoring proceedure myself...the only concerns I ever had were 1)what happens about the existing freestuff? (Lyrra already kindly answered that, thanks Lyrra) 2) Who's monitoring the freestuff? and 3)are they going to monitor it fairly?

I don't think it takes an einstein to work out the power and responsibility a mod or admin has on ANY web-site, let alone this one, and how messy things can get if said mods or admin are being biased or un-fair in any way or form.

I understand that Caleb has the momentous task of monitoring the freestuff and as I have chatted to and shared thoughts on quite a few things with Caleb, I reckon he's one of the best people for the job - he's a very nice, kind, generous and fair person who I look up to and value quite a lot.

I wish Caleb and the Renderosity team the best of luck with this and hope it goes well.

Sadly, I am also aware of some people offering freestuff that isn't theirs and hopefully this new measure will screen such individuals out faster and easier.

I have no problem with any time delays for I'm a patient person....like I said earlier...my only gripe would only be about fairness and nothing else, after all this IS supposed to be a community where people should help each other (in my belief anyways).

Thanks for listening :-)

BigRedKane

PS : this post represents MY view and slant on things, no one else's. ;-)

Geo, reviewing links is not martial law. That molehill is almost a mountain now. :) And call me Anton instead of "the Daz Representative". lol And just because Kazza hasn't been found liable doesn't change what they are resposible for doing..irresponsibly allowing people access to illegal files they would not nowmally have access to without them. IMO.

I'm kinda in the same boat with BRK. Personally, the only thing I have problems with would be a time removal system like the marketplace now has with the warehouse. I think that setup really blows. The monitoring, go ahead. I was just playing devil's advocate before.

Phoenix, systems like Kazaa if stopped won't stop piracy. I knew where to get pirated software back in the '80s, and if I wanted to, it would be no problem to get something. It merely aids things by allowing the morons to take part in piracy. Also, of the people I know that do pirate software, they don't use kazaa, but rather some of the old methods.

Whats all the fuss about here? Someone monitoring freestuff can only improve the service. So it takes a couple of days for an item to be available. Who's gonna know apart from the contributor? And if it filters out genuine errors like the one with the textures a couple of days ago, and traps TOS and copyright violations as well as (hopefully) also ensuring that the links work that can only be an improvement. Fums up for this.

I just wonder who's gonna be capable of checking everything; just for Vicky textures alone, how many sources would you have to compare the work to before you could say one way or the other? Let's face it: if DAZ hadn't caught this one, I doubt anyone else would have -- what changes I saw were imbedded pretty deep, and it took the eye of the original artist to find his work buried underneath. Is one mod gonna be able to say thoroughly that any uploaded texture is 100% original? I'm not saying we don't need a monitoring system. But it seems like a huge task.

No offense intended, but I think some people are interpreting this change and the reasons behind it the wrong way.

I believe this isn't about 'punishing' people, its about informing them. From the copyright issues that I've read about posted here in the forums, it seemed like many of them were due to ignorance... not outright law breaking.

There are quite a few very generous people who offer hosting for freestuff items, such as Poserosity and Big-I. I'm hoping to offer hosting services myself, once I have my server set up completely. With all of the places out there, I think its extremely helpful to have a database that directs people to the freebies they're interested in, whether or not they're hosted directly. I don't see this new process ruining the R'osity Freestuff section in the least, because it is not causing any damage to members (just a minor inconvenience perhaps), and its helping to prevent problems that can cost people thousands of dollars in lost sales.

I'm not a merchant yet myself, but I know I would be very upset if I found that my products were being freely distributed when I had put a lot of time and effort into making them. Consider putting yourself in the merchants' position before pointing fingers and placing the blame.

-Molly

There's been some discussion about liability and "covering themselves" from Renderosity's standpoint. Just a question... What happens when the screener doesn't catch a copyright violation. It's clear that now (as in the case of Kaazaa (sp?) noted above, without review, the site is not responsible for what people post. If 'rosity starts reviewing, do they then become responsible for always being correct? I don't know the law, just a thought... Additional comment, this does seem to create less incentive for the very casual freestuff poster to share stuff (another step that has to be done). Perhaps some more efforts featuring and recognizing the good freestuff would help create incentive... the contest this month seems to be a good example of that!

Good job, Lyrra, its about time. I hope this works out.

As a freestuff downloader I'm THRILLED about this new policy. Thank you SOOOOO much for it. In the past 3 months I've had to sift through my CDs, mark files in jewelcases as bad don't use, etc due to copyright violations etc. I truely thank you for helping me filter. Does the Snoopy Dance

HI guys- Don't get me wrong- please- this is not my cause celeb. I just don't see any real good coming from all this for the reasons I said. Allready a dear friend who made something has to wait- so he said the heck with it, he's just going to make a free section on his site (all his idea). Wait days or take 10 minutes and add a link on his own pages. He's as honest as the day is long :) I won't go as far as saying that this goes over the line, just that it is being step on (the line) that is. Anton- nice to meet ya :) going to bed now :) night Geo The road to hell is paved with good intentions. or It's easier to read every 3rd word. lol

Geo, It's just a link review.

'And call me Anton instead of "the Daz Representative". lol' Then please create a 2nd User login that is Anton and seperate since we do not know who you speak for.

Hmmm kinda direct. Post isn't about me but since you mentioned it. I can see where that is tricky. I really don't want another username since people would know that is me too. Not sure how that would be less confusing. I used to have another but had it deleted years ago during a mass walk out after the site changed hands. My Daz posts are signed that way under my name and are limited to product announcements and some mild tech support. Daz doesn't really do forums posts at all. At least not right now. Only reason I post here is because I always have. And despite taking the occasional insult I enjoy it. :) I believe it is important for people to be informed which I think get's blurry sometimes. Because I have know alot about Poser and how Daz product were made it is usually very easy for me to quickly answer alot of questions noone else can. I tend to answer alot of the posts posted for Daz because I usually have an answer and they likely won't see it..at least not right away. Daz generally makes announcement in it's newletter. It is a difficult line between position and personality but I really have no fun only just ever answering questions. I like to discuss issues like everyone else. But it has been tricky. A couple times, while waiting for official info, I have been slammed for dancing arounf or ignoring questions. Idon't make up policy, but I usually just repeat what hgas already been enstablished. Generally warez in the community is the only personal topic I speak on. I have been so majorly ripped off by freestuff I could never possibly explain to you how bad it has been. At one point I used to add up the downloads. When I stopped there had been over 35,000 downloads of various things I made people gave away in part here in Freestuff. That was over a year ago. The recent Daz stuff I found since Jan added up to something like 147,000 downloads. I stopped counting after that. Aside from that I just answer questions. I don't like typing so I am usually very to the point. I would say assume all of my posts are personal. Though that doesn't mean I am wrong or don't know what I am talking about. It would be a shame not to be able to shareinfo on thingsthat people wouldn't normally ever know, but it is sort of all or nothing. Like I said I don't make up new policy but simplpe try to re-explain things already established if I know the answer. It can be frustrating sometimes but you get over that after awhile. lol. I have no life other than Poser now. No idea what I would talk about otherwise. They move all my renders to ProductShowcase so I can't do those here. Makes it tough to be a member cause you can't post wip, renders or things other people post. I could stop posting but that would bite for alot of people including myself. All the forums are the same anyway. :) Same people, different usernames. Regards, Anton

Although I trust that this new policy is well intended and simply wishes to protect many of the generous donors who post here, I must stand with those like Georgess to register my concerns for the unintended consequences of this new policy. For by scrutinizing all of the new posting in order to prevent TOS violations, the mods are treating all posters (and not just the ones committing illegal actions) as if they were criminals. While I have no problem with a delay in new postings, I have become concerned with the new slate of "protective" measures which have been introduced in many new venues (and not just R'osity.) While individually they may appear unimportant or even benign, ultimately, their collective effect will be to erode the freedoms of all members (and not merely those who are in error.) Moreover, this particular addition, I think, is unnecessary as the previous of removing offending posts worked sufficiently to resist TOS violations without putting the whole community under surveillance. If individuals see a TOS violation, they should report it. Simple. Why is it ok to curb the privileges of all to catch a very few? This policy , I feel, is inefficient at best and dangerous to the freedom and creativity of the whole community at worst. For while I am not a great modeler, I do so a little. As such, I would love to post freebie to repay what has been generously accorded to me. However, as the difficulties of doing so mount, I would be very much less likely to contribute. Stimulating this reluctance, I'm sure, is not the intention of this policy. But, unfortunately, as R'osity imposes unnecessary restrictions on the many in order to protect the few (even if such protections seem warranted,) many initially hesitant contributors like myself may refuse to engage in the hassle. So I request in a spirit of kindness and group cohesion that R'osity rethink this unfortunate policy. It will help few, but harm many. Thanks for listening. --lb

It is just a link review. Their not ressurecting Stalin. :)

Perhaps, but even a link review is wrong if its goal can be accomplished without subjecting everyone to an unnecessary search. After all, its just a freebie posting, not anti-terrorism security. :)

Unnecessary? Well that is subjective I guess. I can understand this issue doesn't affect alot of people so they don't care. But to me protecting people(even if not alot of people) is more important than an instant upload, which is what this is really about. "oh yeah sorry you are getting screwed so bad but get out of my way so I can see my freebie go up instantly!". Seems kinda cold to me but oh well.

a LOT of the freebies I've made are stuff I've made by request. Now it's like I don't feel like doing that anymore. No big idea of hurrying to make something for someone who needs a this-and-that for a picture if you're gonna wait 3 days to pass it on. And fyi, I DO model fast when I model. I have zero patience L so I do things fast and most of the time right in the first attempt G As for myself, I have my webpage where I can post my things, as I do right now, but will this new link review also mean that you can't tell people that you've uploaded something new? Will that post be reviewed and delayed? I am not trying to be awkward, it just seem to me like there is a lot of unanswered questions and grey zone areas in this idea. The idea in itself isn't so bad, I can understand why it is - unfortunately - needed, but I am not sure that whoever came up with the idea has thought it all out in details. But well, let's see how much of a hassle this will be. Hopefully Caleb haven't planned any (easter)vacation or have this annoying thing called "a life" ;o)

Ya know, I think this would be a lot different if freebies were actually being uploaded. Sure, then I'd say Rosity is libel for making sure that copyrights are protected. But nothing is uploaded... It's an offsite link on both the thumbnail and the hosted file. It is link database. If Rosity feels that all the freestuff content should be checked, then that's fine. Have a person or persons run around checking the links. Look, most of us here don't care for the warez scene (I hope) and the members here (and Mods, of course) have been good about keeping everything legit. The community as a whole should keep a watchful eye. If something is spotted as potentially theft, report it. I think it really sucks that people have gotten ripped off, especially Anton - who consistently provides good quality content. I just think this may be a tad extreme - as presented in this manner. Oh, and I'm certainly on your side. I'm a merchant here and a few other places and I provide freebie content on my website. I don't want to get ripped off either.

If you have to walk through a metal detector at an airport to get on a plane, why is everybody freaking out about a detector in freebies. I just do not understand. I'm sorry, I've read and re read some posts. If you host, there will be a short delay, then it's business as usual. What is the problem? Downloaders wont be able to see a difference really. I'm glad Renderosity is taking a proactive stance, there are not a lot of sites that do not police thier freebies. With Virii, Pop-ups, copyright infringements, Renderosity is taking a stand and helping the community as a whole by making freestuff links from Renderosity a more pleasent experience for users as well as giving copyright holders a fighting chance.

I can't see it being much hassle. Most well established people know the score & stick to the rules, it's the relative newcomers & firsttime posters that need to be better informed. I for one think it's a good idea & if it helps to raise the standard of freestuff being posted we should all back it.

The opinion above is my own & is in no way connected with Renderosity/Daz staff & maybe not even reality, but that's another story.

I am not sure I understand some of the posts either.. I would think people would be thrilled with this , I have often seen on the forum were someone has distributed a freebie that was found to be in copyright violation ... this will save folks from making what may have been an inadvertent mistake.. and save us all from having to go through our downloads to delete a file that has been found to be in violation.. seems to me this saves us a lot of hassle. At any rate I applaud this move and thank Render for taking it.

trekkie - a quick solution for the request thing - when you've finished a model, want to get it out quick, just post a link here to the freebie page at 3DCommune, for instance. Then whoever it is doesn't have to wait 3 days. ---------------------------------------- I have this perpetual probelm in situations like this - I tend to see both sides of the argument. I fully appreicate Anton's viewpoint on this, the leeching must be depressing. But I also find it hard to accept the idea of waiting 3 days to see a freebie link pop up - the spontaneous nature of it all disappears, kind of kills this for many. So this is a situation that requires compromises. We'll just have to live with it. The leeching thing hardly affects me at all - I own all the originals of everything relevant here anyway (well 95% of it) so I know I have it already if I happen to DL a leeched freebie :o) So that's the solution folks!! Buy everything you see, then you have all the licences!!! Problem solved. :] Fish

That should be 'appreciate' of course.... Even tho' I proofread, I still miss things in that tiny 'post' window. :] Fish

This might help if I tell you exactly what to look for. This will help Caleb and you guys. Feel free to post this or use this info in the community if you feel it will help educate people on your site. Problems in Frestuff are usally in four areas: Hair, Morphs, Clothes, Body Textures Props There genrally ways in which innocent mistakes and deliberate acts manifest. These are generalizations and each instance is obviously unique.. --------------------------------------- Hair: Potentially Innocent: A morph is made for a hairstyle but it is provided as an obj. Poof! Instant hairdo without purchase. Check the textures though. Typical Excuse: "I didn't know" Fix: Destribute .hr2 only with morphs already loaded. Make sure no "custom geom" lines are present. This means the geometry has been imbeded. Happens when you export, import and resave. be careful you are not distributing an expansion back or morph add-on pack though. Potentially Deliberate: A hair mesh is subdivided, altered, but obiously is not thiers. Typical Excuse: "It is mine you bastard! How dare you!" or "I got it from a freesite and thought I was allowed to." Never use anything from someone else without knowing what their real name and address is. People lie. --------------------------------------- Morphs: Potentially Innocent: A morph is made for a figure but it is provided as an obj. Poof! Free mesh without purchase. Alot of LW, Maya, and 3dmax people know to come here for free Daz meshes. Typical Excuse: "I didn't know" Fix: Delete everything but the "V" lines in the obj. Or just keep in a stripped cr2. Potentially Deliberate: Someone elses morphs were combined into a hybrid and toted as original. Typical Excuse: "I made this from scartch you bastard! How dare you!" Hard to detect but not impossible. Fix: No fix. bad bad bad. I can provide Mods with a list of some of the telltale morph distortion to look for. Certain morphs always make the same patterns. Also transfering things like V2 morphs onto girls isn't good cause they can be transfered back again. --------------------------------------- Clothes: Potentially Innocent: Wow that shirt looks familiar. Just shorter. Almost no ways this can be accidental. Typical Excuse: "But so and so is doing it" or "I don't remember where I got the mesh" Fix: Tape their fingers together. Doing it for attention. Doesn't care. Potentially Deliberate: Altered clothing mesh not encoded by objaction mover, etc. Typical Excuse: "I made this from scartch you bastard! How dare you!" or "I though we were allowed to change it if we buy it." Fix:Encode it but ask the maker first. Some people depend on their own stuff to make new things. If you make everything out of their meshes, then they have nothing to make. --------------------------------------- Body Textures: Potentially Innocent: Part theirs part yours. Almost no ways this can be accidental Typical Excuse: "I used a freebie texture." Freebie texture was warez, endless vicious circle Fix: Never use anything from anyone you didn't make yourself. Potentially Deliberate: Someone makes a texture using other peoples textures Typical Excuse: "I made this from scartch you bastard! How dare you!" "But I bought it" Fix: No fix. bad bad bad. Make figure textures from scratch or have detailed documentation enclosed with text permission and sources listed including names and contact info. --------------------------------------- Props: Potentially Innocent: Copyright mesh shows up as a prop. Typical Excuse: "But the manual said I could make props from stuff" "I thought it was safe" Fix: Exporting and importing props will change the way the file is saved and embed it into the file. Make them for you only but don't distribute them without the creator's written permission. Or open the ball prop and edit the runtime path to point to the original but don't give out an obj you didn't make. Potentially Deliberate: Copyright mesh shows up as a prop. Typical Excuse: "I made this from scartch you bastard! How dare you!" or "I though we were allowed to change it if we buy it." Fix:Encode it but ask the maker first. Freebie props really should be from scartch. If you are unsure contact the maker.. --------------------------------------- People will almost never admit that they did something deliberately. After education there is almost no situation where the person should ever have an excuse for repeating the same mistake. Good peoplel do bad things all the time. Usually they rationalize it so theymay honestly have convinced themselves theyare right. This means they will usually do it again. Sadly they do so you might want to keep an eye or a record of what happened. Sadly we have alot of people floating around who were notorious copyright offenders in other communities like webdesign and font design. Now we got'em. :) Be weary of beta testers. a big chuck peer to peer warez comes from beta testers. They get it and give it to two friends, they give it to two friends, etc , etc. People say all Vicki's look alike. If the morphs are from scratch then they shouldn't. Red flags can include notorous shapes and features seen over and over. Just something to look for. Look for lasterpiece works of perfection from newbies. Usually sign that something might be wrong. Not that there is any foul play but there may be a informed mistake in the making. Again just something to look for.

I don't see anything wrong with the policy in principle. Hopefully, it will work out smoothly for everyone and not too many people will decide to go elsewhere. It would be a shame if everyone scattered to the four winds, making finding free items all the more difficult. I do sympathize with one sentiment expressed. It's not this policy in particular, just the recent creeping big brotherism in every aspect of life it seems. After a while, it really begins to get depressing. If anyone decides to stop posting here, i hope the let us know where their items will be - if posting a link will be permitted.