I'm sick and tired of seeing gory and bloody pics on Renderosity whitout even a notice that says " violence and gore" or similar.A certain "Beobrand" posted a disgusting pic called "The butcher of Baskerville" where, still in the thumbnail you can see severed thumbs (that's NOT a pun!) I can't believe you're so fussy whit the slightest nudity,yet you let things like that pass!!!

well at the end there is a notice : the image is posted under the horror category so... i agree hat some images are not good for all the people but.. the only thing is: please don't start a witch hunt :). freedom is hard to obtain and very simple to loose...

You're wasting your time. A number of people, myself included, have begged the admins for a "Violence" tag in the galleries. Multiple times in the past. We just get ignored, or told it's "on the list".

No nudes, no violence, no upset. You don't have a right to be protected from offense on the net. On the other hand - demands from users are turning this place into rendodisney more and more every day. Why did you click when the picture was called the butcher of baskerville ? What did you expect to see ? Knishes ? If a picture is called butcher of something, you can't expect it to contain daffodils and frolicking lambs...specially not if it has a horror tag. ~S

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=409271&Start=1&Artist=beobrand&ByArtist=Yes

i totally agree with spinner. this place is hardly "cutting edge", anymore. wasn't the pic in the max gallery, anyway? don't forget....there is a certain skill to making "blood" in some of the modelling programs...i think the butcher was just an exercise in whatever max uses to simulate blood, nothing more.

Thanks XSashaX for the link. This is classic Grand Guignol over-the-top horror. It made me laugh, like the dinner-table scene in Hannibal, and I'm no psychopath. . . . At least I don't think so... M.

I dunno... when you hit 150k members (do these accounts ever go dormant, or how do they count that? - ah, ne'ermind.) At anyrate, with 150k members, you're bound to become 'mainstream' in a heartbeat. I mean, look at deviantart.com - originally, it was extreme, and almost no subject was taboo (damned few were...) Now with a zillion members, it screams "mainstream!" Just the way it is, I suppose... but that's the thing about overpopulation... folks spread out to stake out new territory. Those who don't, demand standards that are more in keeping with polite society. Calanthe and eirian has a point, though... nothing wrong with a Violence tag. It's not as if they're asking for censorship. Incidentally, "Hound of The Baskervilles", a far more original creation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, was much lighter on the violence, using the readers' imagination as a tool to induce a feeling of horror, instead of using the reader's eyes. But I'm drifting into territory that has been covered in the old porn debates... whether or not the best images are best left for the viewer to supply the imagination. /P

Oh my ... when it's under Horror and labled butcher I expect to see something bloody. Now we have all the categories that people do not have to stumble over images they don't like to see and what are they doing: going straight to that gallery that most likely will contain the sort of images that upset them. Now that is frighten me.

"I'm sick and tired of seeing gory and bloody pics on Renderosity..." Have you ever visited a real art gallery? If so, what happened? Those naughty grand masters, what were they thinking of. I'm not bothered either way about a violence tag, what does bother me is the way you decry someone else's artwork as disgusting, then deliberately load up their image just to troll them. Which is what you were doing by posting the lowest ranking - and an embarrassing rant - on Beobrand's image. Have you never heard of IMs? "I can't believe you're so fussy with the slightest nudity" Who, me personally? Please don't make generalisations to support your narrow minded point-of-view. Anyway, at least some good has come of this. When I've finished my current image, I will begin work on the most bowel churning, dispicable, butt-clenchingly immoral violation to the senses that this place has ever seen.

omg....i am SHOCKED. you actually DID troll that artist's picture. Don't you know that that is against the TOS? that person took the time to model and texture EVERYTHING in that image....nothing premade like so many of the poser/bryce stuff i see that just use spheres, procedurally textured....nope, what he CREATED was the real deal. some of us like the real deal...others...they can live with premade spheres textured out of the box...or, posette, dork, etc. render on ;*) Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!

please, please....don't say "butt". that's better. around my house we refer to it as our "stink feather". now, isn't that a kinder gentler term for the bumm? i thought so.

...Pink Ponies Ah. I forgot about the Pink Pony. I'll have to be satisfied with second place... :( around my house we refer to it as our "stink feather". I'd appreciate it if threads using the term "stink feather" could be marked with a special "stink feather" tag. I was dismayed and nearly fainted away with the vapours when I saw these words. But I'm curious - what has your butt got to do with a feather, unless you're an ostrich?

actually, it was the parrot, what started it, ye' see...but, then...that's a long and tangled tail...oops...tale. anyway, it 'twas dubbed a stink feather, and a stink feather it will be, i say.

think big bird and cauliflower.

I'm still a little confused, but I'll give it some thought. Now, if can only get off my arse and get to bed... Oops.

parrots can fart....chickens and rabbits can't....trust me on that one...we did the "can the pet fart test" on a number of them. sadly, if you give your hellacious rabbit too much cabbage, he will die. this also works with unwanted grown up easter chicks during a heatwave. cantankerous parrots, on the otherhand fart, and fart proudly. they can put your aged dog to shame in this department. just a few more useless tips from this life i have been living.

I'm really sick and tired of people uploading renders depicting link sausage like that! I love link sausage and didn't have any around and it was too late to go to the store - damned inconsiderate if you ask me!

@Richabri,,, hmm,, that's what I had for dinner tonight, with a side of nice fresh peppers and onions.. I do have left overs, and I could heat up the french loaf,,,

... I'll bring the Beck's! :)

Ok,Ok, If I have offended someone I apologize.Let the issue drop...

Despite what has been said (there's much ado about artists' rights but hardly ever any sensitivity to the audience), you do have a right to express your opinion and the right to have a choice about what you see. The other nonsense is just symptioms of forum boredom. Don't let it bother you. None of us get out without a singe or two, or being preached at about not being original enough to write our own code before creating a graphic. Search for the names and you'll see the same arguments over and over again. Nothing new. But it's sad you have to feel like you need to apologize for having your own thoughts. You'd think creative people would be more tolerant. I've learned a lot here.

Dialyn, that's not the point - it's ok when someone expresses their feeling but if someone is browsing the Horror Gallery and complains about the images that can be found in there then I am a bit confused. I expect violent images there - if I don't like it I don't go there but do not ask other's to stop it or whatever. For example I do not like religous or biblical art but I don't click through the images in that category and start to complain about the content afterwards.

I am sorry but the pic...is not that gory. really it isnt go watch one of the modern horror movies with eye balls flying around and brain splattered. and I have to agree if you are in the horror gallery...you are going to see...........horror art.

You see worse on Buffy. Chill out. Grav

But it's sad you have to feel like you need to apologize for having your own thoughts Two points: (1) My problem was with the trolling of the gallery image, not the suggestion that a flag be used. I don't think anyone's really bothered if a flag is used or not. (2) "Own thoughts" does not apply if you post them first in the comments section of an image and then in a forum for public debate. There's no apology due to anyone here, but there is one due to the person who had their image trolled.

"parrots can fart....chickens and rabbits can't...." They can when you run 'em over. (Sorry, just getting into the spirit of the thing)

ew ew ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I agree with Puntomaus. Complaining about horrific imagery in an image in a gallery that is clearly marked horror is in my book not taking responsibility for your own actions. As I stated previously, you have no right not to be offended on the net. I don't think Calanthe was trolling the image (s)he commented on - I think an opinion was expressed. But calling for clearer marking of something defined as horror leads me to ask how people currently see the concept ? ~S

Come on, Dialyn. This is someone who, by their own admission, opened a picture entitled, 'The Butcher of Bakersville' "where, still in the thumbnail you can see severed thumbs", clearly marked as 'horror' genre, and then complained about the gory content. Did you check out the thumbnail on the artist's gallery page? It's just a miniature version of the whole scene - the blood splashes are clearly visible. Everything that advertised the picture also advertised the nature of its content. Doesn't Calanthe have any responsibility in this? Given that she ignored the title, genre, and thumbnail, do you imagine having a 'Violence' tag would have made any difference? This isn't just symptioms of forum boredom where people wanting Calanthe to feel like you need to apologize for having your own thoughts. It's a bunch of people objecting when someone demands that Renderosity protects them against their own idiocy. On the related note, I'd be happy to see a 'Violence' tag instituted in the galleries and have made the point many times before (as eirian mentioned above, it doesn't seem to be on the agenda, possibly because it would almost impossible to police). If people want a filter, it's no skin off my nose. I'd just exercise my option not to use it.

Here's another point: Renderosity is located in the US. The admins are based in the US and tend to follow US customs. And, the customs in the US are: violence: okay, sure, as long as it's "fake" nudity: Bad, very bad. No-no. Don't show it. Naked people should be confined to those "adult" magazines and hidden from children lest they be scarred for life by seeing a naked person. Some examples:

• Video games: Soldier Of Fortune raised the bar for violence. Sure, people screamed about the blood and gore, but now, more games are just as bloody. By comparison, there has been NO mainstream video game with a comparable level of nudity.
• TV: shows like NYPD Blue show shoot-outs all the time (and sometimes people actually get shot). Yet, if they show the naked backside of a man or woman, the show is plastered with "Warning: this show contains nudity. Parental guidance suggested."
• Movies: PG-13 rated movies usually have a high level of violence (gun shoot-outs, explosive car-chases, and so on). But, again, put a comparable amount of nudity in the movie and it gets an R or NC-17 rating. However, set the nudity in a "comic" setting (Porky's, American Pie) and the movie can usually get an R rating.

yup for some reason naked is something to be feared more then extreem violence. to me that doesnt make sence I mean when we all take showers dont we see naked? does it scare up blind then? but it is ok to see someone geting shot in the head with the blood splatter faning out behind them...or someone geting mutilated with the guts and blood bathing the floor. this .......does......not.....make sence to me. also I agree, even the excuse of "looking in the whats new gallery" it is maked with the genre. if you see Horror and Butcher it is not going to be a picture of butterflies. SPECIALLY if in the thumb you see a severed thumb! she CHOSE to look at it ..it is not like it suddenly malicousely poped up infront of her to FORCE her to look at it.

"I mean when we all take showers dont we see naked? does it scare up blind then?"....the answer is "yes"...that's why I shower alone.

What are people goin tho whine about next here not enough pics showing minorites?? I mean comeon if you look in the horror section or it has a horror tag and u see a severed thumb and that stuff bothers u why are you goin to look at it then troll over it?

"I mean when we all take showers dont we see naked? does it scare up blind then?"....the answer is "yes"...that's why I shower alone. wow...heavy. serious insight reading, here. do you also keep your eyes closed?

You're telling me your parrot butt story was oh so significant? And your torturing of animals with fart experiments? Yeah, that makes you signifcant. Now is the time I close my eyes. Bye.

i don't much think dialyn likes me. i never tortured anything...except my husbands. those were some statistics on well...actually things you could do wrong with pets. like...we bought a bunny. we read bunny books beforehand, and, spoke to other bunny moms...we found out that you should NEVER feed a rabbit cabbage....because of the fart deficiency. then, there was a heat wave, one year, in the mid west....alot of chickens died, by EXPLODING...i was curious as to why, and, so were my children....sooo, a bit more research was in order. they actually did not die of the heat, per se..but, from fermenting grains in their bodies, caused by the unusually high temperatures. if they could have farted, they might have survived. actually, the parrot and the cauliflower was an horrendous experiment. he loves raw cauliflower, and sleeps next to my bed. i made some tempura, and some of it was cauliflower. we gave him the raw "good" stuff. omg....what a night of horrendous birdie blasts...i still giggle when i think of that one. dialyn...you work in a library, for pity sake. and, you really don't have little stupid facts, like this floating around in your head? perhaps you should read a bit, as well. and, you don't have to shut your eyes. trust me...you won't have to see me nekkid in this lifetime.

parrots farting....chickens exploding....and naked people in showers..... I DEMAND AND INSANITY TAG!!

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=410146

Hi everyone :) I think this Thread's "train of thought" has just jumped the tracks :) However, we Really do appreicate your comments and input on the pros and cons of a Violence Tag in the Galleries - to be used for those who do not wish to view Violient Images. Thanks for the positive Feedback! Ladynimue

Whew - did your fingers take a breath when you were typing that??? ;] We are all in agreement - That we will Never Ever All Be in Agreement ;] And that is not a bad thing! You brought up some excellent points Illusions, even if some were tongue-in-cheek ;] Thanks once more for all the Positive Feedback and everyone's input concerning the Pros and Cons of the Violence [Gore] Gallery Tags! ladynimue

;] ladynimue

Doesn't the 'Horror' genre already cover 'gore'? I can see a good case for a 'Violence' flag, but there needs to be a line drawn between flags and genres somewhere. Unless there was the option to filter out entire genres, like we can do with nudity now. (Not advocating that, just speculating).

The Pros and Cons of a Violence Filter Button [like the Gallery Nudity Button] was the foundation of this thread. This is a seperate issue from the Genre Catagory :) An image that contains violence could possibly be posted in a number of Genres - However, the Violence button would give members the option of Filtering out these images, as the Nudity Button performs this function now. ladynimue

well the freedom to post a gorey image under evry category will be cool (couse sometimes the title and the category can be part of the whole concept of the image). i think that post an image under the horror category only couse it contains some gore is artistically limitative... if the price to pay is a button to chek.. well ok.. the only thing that put a shadow on this eventuality is that my believe (i hope not only mine) that art has no bundaries will decay...

connects the Violence button to the words housemouse, cute, koshini

Hello Everyone Im rather new here.and I suppose I consider Lady Ni my guide and chapperon.I was reading through the thread and am not sure what everyone is so horrfic about.I come from a land were there is much reality of otrosities against people.Im not saying that it should be /blinded to the world only that ..here...in Renderosity.......it is a freedom of speech/or perhaps a vent.Perhaps this person just needed to vent a horrific event in there life ,but being civialized did not act on an impluse.Perhaps I am not making any sense,but am just trying to say that if someone is thinking these types of acts perhaps there is an underlining cause,or perhaps they are the next Steven King :) Well I guess thats my 2 yen

Huh? Did someone say something?

Ride the wild forums! Yeeee-haaaa!!!!

Back to lurking.....lurking in the dark.

Once more thanks everyone for your input :) The idea is to allow members to be able to pick their viewing preferences, while at the same time not limiting the artist or his/her artwork! What we are discussing is the merits of the Option for a Violence Button to be available (like the Nudity Button) for those who do not wish to view extreme violent images. Again, its good to hear the pros and cons debated in such a civil and considerate manner. Wishing everyone a great weekend! ladynimue

This has been done. We now have a red "Violence" warning flag option. Please use as needed. This is not a filter, only a flag.

Seems like a sensible solution. The people who don't want to view violence can skip past. The people who want to view violence can find their preferences more easily. Many thanks. Frankly, I wish we didn't live in a world where violence and torture was considered child's play. But I guess it would take more optimisim than I have to think that kind of world will ever exist.