I was hoping to find a copy of Pro Pak available somewhere by itself, other than on their website -- hopefully a little cheaper! :) Thanks in advance for any replies. Norm

You can try Amazon or Ebay ...there are often legal copies at reasonable prices

So far, the cheapest price is Curious Labs price at $139. Everyone else has it for $179 (links to Amazon.com) or greater. PC Connection has it for $159. I'd get it while it's that low there! BYS

I just checked. Nothing on eBay, nothing "used" on Amazon. :( BYS

Well, I'm thinking the same thing! Get it and download it, methinks. Probably can't save much more over the $139 download price. I may just go ahead and do that. It looks to be a little easier way to create clothing from a particular character, because you can create a character from selected groups (polygon). An example shows making a face mask (for a party) from the selected head group(s). Assuming I am correct, then I can create shoes, socks, pants, whatever, maybe a little easier by doing this process in Pro Pak, then taking the exported character into another 3D application for texture mapping or whatever. I also thought I read somewhere that MAT and possibly BUM files are created more easily with Pro Pak, but could not find any references in the user guide pdf. Oh well, can't have everything I guess! Still worth it for the additional Setup Room, and making clothing. Thanks for your responses. Norm

Fry's Electronics had the pro pack for $89 last time I was there (a couple of weeks ago). As far as I could see it wasn't on sale that was their normal price. Fry's website os outpost.com Eric J

I bought mine from 3dcommune

Attached Link: http://www.sharbor.com/products/CURN0280001.html

cowboy, that's 189 (not 129)!! You supposedly save 129. Yeah, okay. ;) There ya go: Fry's Electronics has it for $89!!! BYS

Fry's, aka http://www.outpost.com, has it for $89.95 IN STOCK. Following the advice of Ericj, I checked the website, and it's actually in their warehouse. Since I live in San Jose I'll go to the retail store(s), and if worse comes to worse, will buy it online. Thanks, Ericj! Norm

It looks to be a little easier way to create clothing from a particular character, because you can create a character from selected groups (polygon). The grouping tool is icky. I think you'd be better off trying to make the clothes in another program and bringing them into PPP to bone. If you made groups from the Poser characters, you'd then have to morph them all around to make them look anything like clothing. It would be far easier to export the Poser meshes into something else and build clothes around them. Face masks and possibly gloves are about the only things the grouping tool would be useful for by way of clothing, and even then, I still think the tool is pretty hideous. I also thought I read somewhere that MAT and possibly BUM files are created more easily with Pro Pak, but could not find any references in the user guide pdf. Nope and nope. MAT files are an outside discovery not "officially supported" by CL. MAT files are made with outside programs, hacking up a .cr2 file with a text editor, or hand writing your own. It's not hard to do, but P4, PPP, and P5 have nothing to do with MAT file creation. PPP and P5 use .jpgs for bump maps, which keeps the files sizes reasonable. P4 has to convert .jpg files to .bum files which are bloated monsters. PPP and P5 can use .bum files but why waste the space?

Anyone notice the price to Poser 5 at Frys? .... Hmm think i may make that upgrade after all... NO WAIT maybe i should learn Poser 4 first but wait... tehre is the Pro Pack also AARrgggghhhhhhh my brain hurts I need more coffee 8-D

thank you 'BeatYourSoul' I just went to Frys I have been lusting over the pro pack for so long $106 with tax