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Subject: Ignore


_dodger ( ) posted Wed, 30 July 2003 at 7:11 PM · edited Fri, 26 July 2024 at 1:36 AM

So, I've proven at http://www.xfx3d.com/forum -- you have to be member to see what I'm talking about -- that an Ignore User button is not a big deal, not that hard to code, and so on. So how about it? I'd get into a lot less arguments if I could ignore the people who generally piss me off. And I think it might be telling to do a GROUP BY query on the database and see who the most ignored people are.


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Thu, 31 July 2003 at 1:49 AM

I've asked for this option a few times Dodger...never got any good responses..I'd love to have (2) features added..the 'ignore user' and the 'ignore thread' options... I dont see why 'Rosity refuses to even address this issue..Several members would like these options. Some of us would like to stay out of arguments, and argumentive threads..or at least stay away from those who push our buttons..much better to not see those individuals, rather than try and skip over some rude comments made to bait us into a flamefest. We're human, and 90% of us will 'take the bait' if we see it. I too think the 'out of sight, out of mind' cliche would work wonders for this site.

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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_dodger ( ) posted Thu, 31 July 2003 at 9:00 AM

at least stay away from those who push our buttons..much better to not see those individuals, rather than try and skip over some rude comments made to bait us into a flamefest. We're human, and 90% of us will 'take the bait' if we see it Consider how many less TOS violations if you couldn't speak to the jerks you're likely to tell off if you could! And remember, Rosity people, TOS violations are a gateway drug to banning, and banning means people who can't and don't want to buy anything here, and when you lose customers because a select few are good at provoking and dancing away from it, well, you're banning the wrong people.


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Thu, 31 July 2003 at 9:51 AM

Consider how many less TOS violations if you couldn't speak to the jerks you're likely to tell off if you could! Exactly. Seems like the PTB here would be a little less overworked trying to stop the flamefests here between certain members, that obviously are out to start crap..if they just incorporated these little items..

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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dialyn ( ) posted Thu, 31 July 2003 at 9:59 AM

Well, you could just stay off the provoking threads until the ignore button makes an appearance. You don't have control over someone else's actions, but presumably you have control over your own. Having been sucked into my share of nowhere arguments, I know half the blame is my own responsibility...not Renderosity's administration but just me getting into a no win, no win bicker for no good reason than opinionated pride and the nonsensical need to have the last word as if that proves anything but how childish I can be. And I can be very childish. No duh. But I am trying to get better about just leaving threads I found irritating and not read them further. Of course that wouldn't give the responsibility to someone else to control my own actions, but, oh well. Fortunately, as yet, I haven't had problems with being IM'd by people who insist on bickering on but that's what delete keys are for.


_dodger ( ) posted Thu, 31 July 2003 at 12:12 PM

nods I'm just saying that it would be relatively easy. 1) Add a table called 'ignored_users' or something. Two columns, like so:

[ignored_users]
member_id VARCHAR(32) NOT NULL,
ignore_id VARCHAR(32) NOT NULL,
PRIMARY KEY (member_id, ignore_id)
  1. in the session stuff, checking for people's logged-in status, ignored forums, and whatever else is done, you also query this table: SELECT ignore_id FROM ignored_users WHERE member_id = ?

...and execute it with the quoted member_id in place of the '?', reading it into a session array. You can cache it, too, because until the user ignores someone else the contents will remain the same. Update the cache when they add someone. 3) Whenever you display a thread (either the listing in the forum or the guts of the thread in ShowMessage mode), you check to see if the poster is in the ignored array and, if so, don't link the member's name (or even hide it with 'Ignored Member' instead) and don't display the message, replacing it with '[Ignored Message]' and ignoreing the attachments. 4) filter out the gallery posts by skipping ignored users with a simple 'AND userid NOT IN ({{list of comma seperated quoted users from ignored array}})' appended to the query right before the ORDER BY statement. 5) If an ignored user goes to send an IM, the IM fails and prints an error message saying that the member is ignoring them. 6) Put an 'ignore user' link next to the name in the threads, galleries, and read messages display. Don't put the link there for when it's an admin, and don't let admins be ignored (or, for forum-only admins, bypass the ignore mechanism and display the message anyway, perhaps with a message indicating the message could not be ignored because the poster is an admin in this forum)


The 4th Party ( ) posted Sat, 02 August 2003 at 7:08 PM

sounds like it could be confusing if you were reading a response by someone, who was refering to a point /comment made by someone on your ingnore list, you'd have to un ignore them to see what they said :) and, if they reponded the same as someone on their ignore list, about a topic brought up by someone on the third persons ingnore list, the thread could make a really strange read for someone who wasn'r ignoring anybody :)


EricofSD ( ) posted Sat, 02 August 2003 at 11:33 PM

I don't know. Seems to me the way to deal with jerks is for admin to adress it. They can address better if there are complaints. They cannot if the 'victim' is ignoring and unaware. Anger has a virtue, the virtue is correction and change in social rules that govern the type of behavior that causes anger. I don't need an ignore here, never did, and hope I never will.


_dodger ( ) posted Mon, 04 August 2003 at 2:27 PM

So, The 4th Party was like: you'd have to un ignore them to see what they said :) One would click the 'Read Anyway' button. the thread could make a really strange read for someone who wasn'r ignoring anybody A good time to click the 'Ignore Thread' button. B^) Seems to me the way to deal with jerks is for admin to adress it But the admin won't. The tendency aruond here is to threaten the complainer, from what I've seen. And then EricofSD was like: I don't need an ignore here, never did, and hope I never will. Then don't use one. Eric, I'm really sorry about this, and I'm not trying to be mean and jump on you but... pardon if this sounds rude, but I do think it's really shitty to step in on my suggestion and tell me it's not necesssary because you don't want to use it. Following that logic, there should be no sports played on television ever, because I don't watch them. Very few brands of beer should be sold, because I don't drink most of them. I shouldn't have a lock on my flat door, because I have never been burglarised. And I don't need to stop smoking because I haven't gotten lung cancer. In other words, I do need an ignore here, whether you need one or not. Anger has a virtue Not when it's forbidden. It's forbidden on Renderosity. You have to treat all members with respect and kindness even if they have earned contempt and a boot to the head. Frankly, I think it's a stupid nancy sook rule to disallow tearing into people and I'm never going to make any such rule on any web community I run -- especially as I do know (from running www.gothic-classifieds.com for six years now) that the community will act as an organism -- if allowed to -- and will take care of it's own and reject incompatible elements. But even the most peaceful communities have the concept of a Pariah, and the ignore button would facilitate this.


The 4th Party ( ) posted Tue, 05 August 2003 at 1:26 AM

"Seems to me the way to deal with jerks is for admin to adress it" was EricofSD's :) but, anyway, I'm not arguing it wouldn't be a feature/option that could be included, but, do you think the the people that just go looking to have an argument with someone would use it? member A loves to argue and insult member B for any posible reason, the sky is Blue, what ever, and member B loves to put member A on the grill any chance available, do you think these two will actually ignore each other when the point of their lives seems to be to have a conflict?


dialyn ( ) posted Tue, 05 August 2003 at 7:25 AM

It takes two to argue. If Member A chose not to rise to Member B's bait, there would be no argument. A little self-control would end the flame wars very early. Of course then you'd have to also persuade all of A and B's friends not to pitch in to fuel the flames. You can have many reasons for an ignore idea, but the idea it will punish anyone by making them feel like a pariah is seems like a non-starter to me. For that to take, the person would have to be sent a little ebot message saying, "You have annoyed Member A's and therefore Member A will now ignore you." That works as punishment only if Member B cares what Member A thinks....and clearly Member B does't or Member B would not be flaming Member A in the first place. More probably Member B knows Member A's hot button and will find a way to press it with or without an ignore button. Many times the administrators aren't told about a flame fest until well into a discussion. Very rarely are flame wars entitled: "I will now flame Member A." Everyone sits around waiting for the moderators to notice and then they whine that not enough is done about flames because they never bothered to call in the firefighters (I guess that's becasue they'd rather watch the show than be considered a "snitch"). Will this be solved by an ignore button? Well, you already have one. You can get off the thread and unclick the notify button. I guess that's a little low tech but it works. I don't have anything against the ignore button. But a button won't change human nature. At least I hope I'm well out of this world before they develop a button that does.


dialyn ( ) posted Tue, 05 August 2003 at 8:17 AM

Ugh. Proof before post. I'd rather have an edit button than an ignore button. :(


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Tue, 05 August 2003 at 12:33 PM

do you think these two will actually ignore each other when the point of their lives seems to be to have a conflict? ~Snicker~ Nope, it wont stop them from tearing into each other at all..but I wouldn't have to scroll thru/past their argumentive threads just to see something else that interests me... ;)

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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_dodger ( ) posted Tue, 05 August 2003 at 2:17 PM

but I wouldn't have to scroll thru/past their argumentive threads Mmm! Mmm! points at jumpstartme2 nods enthusiastically claps points more THAT!


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Thu, 07 August 2003 at 1:51 AM

BG

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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DarkMatter_ ( ) posted Thu, 07 August 2003 at 9:58 AM

Well, See, Some people work your nerves without breaking the rules, By being snyde and using clever language to try and slide past the tos to insult others, They also are rough with giving advice and comments. why not give the person who made the message a way of screening them out so they don't have to deal with them amymore, Maybe the ability to lock them out of the post?


DarkMatter_ ( ) posted Thu, 07 August 2003 at 10:00 AM

Some people are over agressive with thier point of view and others troll,bait and flame, some even spoil a message to piss someone off they don't like, sound familiar?


Jumpstartme2 ( ) posted Thu, 07 August 2003 at 11:23 AM

By being snyde and using clever language to try and slide past the tos to insult others, Heh, I could name a couple of ppl who do that very thing...annoying as hell.

~Jani

Renderosity Community Admin
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3-DArena ( ) posted Thu, 21 August 2003 at 1:42 PM

It actually wouldn't be that confusing tio readers we've had that at 3-D Arena for months and months now. As for getting others to make their points for them - those being ignored don't know they are ignored so they have no reason to get others to jump in for them. Only ones you can't (and shouldn't) ignore are the staff, admin and mods. Other than ignore to your hearts content. This has been requested here so often that I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet. You could set it to un-ignore in the profile section


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