Too much good M3 stuff all at once for the usual introductory sale period. It would have been good to extend the introductory sale period (at least for a part of the items) some days into October. Most credit card companies charge bills monthly and this would have allowed to spread the purchases over two separate CC bills. Now I am going to miss many of the good new items because I can't afford to spend that much all at once. And I bet that many will have to give up many possible purchases, just like me. Too bad - this is the first time DAZ lets me down with its choices. :-(

Don't take this wrong, because I tend to agree with what you are saying. I can only afford the bare bones of M3 (the mesh, the morphs, one hair model and one outfit), and then only barely. Wouldn't it be better to send this directly to DAZ? I realize they probably read the forums here, but I can't help thinking that you would stand a better chance of a response if you went "to the source." Again, this isn't an attack -- it's too easy to misread intent without inflection. Shawn

No company can please everyone. You would like it one way, another person likes it another. But in the end, a majority of people enjoy having the variety available to them when a product comes out, so they can shop for whatever genre they most like. The products will always be in the stores, so they can be purchased at any point, so even though the sale is missed, the product can still be bought...so the emphasis is on the purchaser as to what is more important to them...the product or the sale, and they can conduct themselves accordingly. Personally I think they made a very wise move in the variety available...even though I will not buy all the pieces I would like in this first sale (but that is my choice, and I am comfortable with it) ...at least this way the consumers have a choice, so what more could be wanted.

Are you sure you can't spread it out over two CC bills? Usually, credit card bills are due at the end/beginning of the month. If you have a 25 day grace period, that means stuff purchased in the second half of this month won't be on the October bill. The cutoff date for my Discover card is usually the 12th or 13th, so I better make my first purchase soon, if I want to spread it over two bills....

Well... there is no guarantee whatsoever, but the last few introductory offers that I can remember all got extended later on...

If you can only afford the basic stuff now, then just get that, relax, and have fun...

Then, in October, look again - if it still is cheaper, hurray! If not - that's life... :-)

randym77, my CC bills go by whole months. Shawn mine isn't an attack either. Just a quiet constructive criticism, that comes with a hint to possibly fix the problem. Rawnrr, I can understand by myself that the items will still be for sale at the whole price after the introductory period. It's like discovering warm water. I was making a different point. You are comfortable not worrying about if you buy M3 items later at whole price instead of sale price? That's good for you, you're lucky. I'm not so lucky, and I have to take advantage of the sale promotions to make purchases that I would not be able to afford at the whole price. The total of M3 items prices now for sale goes over $150, at least (haven't made the precise count). Whem they'll be whole price, it'll become at least over $300. To my wallet, it makes a big, hurting difference. And no, I won't buy those items at a full price after the sale is gone. I have a personal and family budget to take care of, and it has priority. Martin, I am a long time faithful customer of DAZ. I always tried to purchase the whole items when a new importante figure came out. I did so for Victoria 3 for instance. I would have liked to do the same for Mike, but now I can't. Best regards, Orio

I'm not planning to purchase all of the M3 items. Some I wouldn't get much use of. And I had a $750 car bill this month. But there always be other sales. Items go on sale individually. And they have storewide sales, like they did in August. You'll be able to get everyone you want, at sale prices. You may have to wait awhile, but you'll get the stuff.

Oh, I'm sure not desperate about the stuff that I won't get. I'll go on happily anyway. I just say that it's a pity, that's all. Actually I think it's going to be a pity more for DAZ than for me, because I think they will sell less than if they spread the many items over a wider period of time.

I agree with you Orio....it's a pity for DAZ? maybe not, because so many that can't get everything at once now, will get stuff later when it's not on sale anymore, so DAZ will get the higher price for it....but I've heard several (myself included) say they can't get it all at once....

I understand that people want to save money- who doesn't? But almost everybody else introduces their product at full price (car, furniture, computer, whatever...) Much later, when nobody really wants it anymore, they drop their price. DAZ does just the opposite with a price reduction right at the beginning. Then, when eveyone who absolutely has to have it already has, they raise the price. What kind of marketing is that? LOL! Personally, I am grateful that DAZ has always given me an opportunity to save money at the outset. So instead of criticising DAZ I would like to publicly thank them. Thanks DAZ! Besides, not being able to afford a new Poser model is not exactly the most urgent matter in my life.

I just noticed that the Romeo and Juliette items in the Platinum Club will have a big price jump after 10/10. Not seen that before; guess we'll have to pay attention to dates in the PC from now on, too.

Noticed that too. Once it was claimed, that all PC Items will stay at PC price. The Romeo and Juliet items seem to expire their PC life and will cost about $25 each after October 10th. Or maybe they're for the moment only available for PC members and after 10/10 they're in Premiere too?

i thought thier prices were quite fair, they did let everyone know M3 was coming with new attactments to it( like morphs, texts maps ect..) a while back. i started to save my money when i first read thier post. now that they have the product out, i have enough to most of what i need, without the worries of other bills i might have to paid, or the food i might have to get for the month, i do have the DAZ nickels and dimes i've been saving up to buy them. and glad they have the whole shebang out at once for me to get. Thanks DAZ:) you made me Happy. now its time to put M3 to work so i can make some money off of him to buy more of his products Sarge.

I thought that items placed in the Platinum club were to stay in Platinum club forever. At least, that's what DAZ itself said, not much time ago. If this is a change of policy, then it would deserve a clear communication from the part of DAZ. Jval: the introductory sale is very nice on us customers, but believe me, DAZ would not do it, if it did'nt bring them a larger financial income. It's a win-win strategy. The intro sale lets us save money, but makes more of us buy, and makes us buy more, and also probably (I'd say certainly) makes us buy items that we would not choose to buy if they were full price. That's why I say that in the end, this situation with excess of M3 simultaneous offers is pity for the customers, but also most probably a pity for DAZ, too.

I know, but other people will complain that Daz did not put enough stuff out when M3 came out. I have a feeling Daz would get complaints/critisim whatever happened.

...would not do it, if it did'nt bring them a larger financial income... Obviously. My question was really a rhetorical comment. My point is that not having an immediate sale price does not stop us buying other things from vendors that are not so generous. When M3 et al goes up in price DAZ will undoubtably continue to sell these products without undue difficulty. I guess what I am really saying is that I am too grateful for those opportunites I do have than to waste unnecessary angst on those I do not. If I could have everything I wanted when I wanted there would be little to look forward to in life. It seems we simply have different philosophies and that's okay too (grin.)

They did say soemthing about "limited period Platinum Specials" in one of the preview threads - I certainly knew to check for expiration. Most items seem to have nearly three weeks introductory sale, rather than the usual two, thanks to the earlier (Wed. rather than Fri.) release, which should at least let a few more people split it across two credit card bills, but I do agree a longer introductory sale would have been useful.

just for fun: here's the list of items that I have dropped from my shopiing cart because of excess of expenses (items listed with sale price): M3 creatures 17.47 genesis rage outfit 9.07 leopold collection 5.57 antwone hair 12.71 denzel hair 12.71 M3 cowboy 18.66 Kyojii 14.96 total 91.15 please note, that I did not consider those other items (like M3 sensei, samurai, vaugn, kung fu etc.) that I would have not purchased anyway because I am not interested in them. I only listed those items that I would really buy if they were for sale in another period, allowing me to spread the expenses. So, I can really say that DAZ is going to lose $91.15 in missed purchases from me. I will purchase the M3 base, morphs, and a couple of other items, that's what I can afford now. When I'll be able to afford the rest, the sale will be gone and as I said before, I'm not going to buy full price. So unless they make another sale (and provided that I 'd still need the items in that future time), DAZ is going to miss a 91.15 purchase straight now from me. And that's only me. If I guess how many others will do the same, I realize that DAZ is going to lose a nice bunch of money over their choice.

I think I'm channeling something I saw elsewhere... Possible Daz Scenarios. A) Sell everything before M3 comes out. B) Sell Everything with M3. C) Sit on stuff & then slowly Sell it after M3 comes out. Option A seems pretty silly. Why buy stuff without a figure that can use it yet? Option B. There's variety to choose from. You don't just buy anything in a desperate need to clothe him. You can choose what you want. Anyone here buy the V3 leotard before the Catsuit came out? ;) People can buy what they want when they want to. Option C. Daz sits on stuff and trickles it out. People have to wait. What if they sell all of the fairy stuff or sci-fi stuff or whatever first?! You have a naked M3 for a long time if that's not your style. I don't know, but Option C, making us wait and feeding us slowly, just seems wrong somehow. I keep wanting to say it has a hint of Communism or Parent/Child overtones. :D Option B... We're adults, and Sales are just nice treats that they don't have to do. :) Odds are they'll extend the sale on some items anyways!

I don't think anyone is deploring making a bunch of stuff available at the outset, even if the poor dear is still going to have trouble walking down the street without being sniggered at, just wistfully regretting having to decide what to get in such a short time frame - expecially as it's the brokered add-ons which are least likely to have their sale extended.

i mentioned this thread to dodger and he said maybe when the sales are over he should mark up his things to 120% and then put them on sale for 24% off so they are the same price but everybody can be happy because they would then be always on sale forever. you know that theres nothing wrong with buying a good item at its full price. when people put something on sale its to be nice and give a special deal away. to claim you will only buy something you want if its on sale is silly. things are sold at the prices they should be and when they are on sale a seller is taking a slight loss in order to reward customers early ones in the case of daz in these cases. its great to see something you want on sale but to insist that you wont buy it unless its on sale is rather rude behavour and very disrespectful to artists like my husband who put a lot of themselves into making these things.

"to claim you will only buy something you want if its on sale is silly." "to insist that you wont buy it unless its on sale is rather rude behavour" Audrey, the only rude behaviour that I can see here, is yours. Your offensive tones are not acceptable. I don't offend anyone and you are kindly invited not to offend me. When I say that I will not purchase full price, I don't mean that the items are not worth the full price. I said, and said it several times in the thread, that I can NOT AFFORD to purchase all these items at their full price. I have clearly stated that I have a family budget to take care of and that it has priority. Never, ever I said or even implied that the items are not worth their full price. And now, I am waiting for your public apologies for your gratuitous, unpolite comments about me. regards, Orio

And may I add, Audrey, you can report to your husband (whoever he is) that I do not decide purchases on the basis of idiot sale labels. I do decide them on the basis of what price I can afford to spend. Be it on sale, or not. I would really like to know the name of your husband now, because, his gratuitous ironical comments on the people who give him their hard-earned money, are something I can not accept from a vendor, and for sure, I will never buy any more items that he made, after his comments. Provided, that is, that he really commented in the sarcastical way that you reported. I want to give him the benefit of doubt, as he did not speak in person.

Orio, If you're not a Platinum Club member, how would your purchases come out if you added the membership cost? The PClub discounts don't apply to the brokered items on your list, but maybe you could juggle M3 things between credit periods. You'd get a PC discount instead of the intro price on M3, body pak, head pak and texture in Oct (both discounts in Sept.). You could use Sept to get some brokered items before their intro sales are over. Plus there's sure to be nice $1.99 M3 things come out later (4 Romeo & Juliette items until 10/10). Just a thought - Elisa/gryffnn

"To claim you will only buy something you want if its on sale is silly." Uhh...no. For a lot of us it is the reality.

Any of you stop to consider that it's less that 3 1/2 months until Daz has their X-Mas - End of Year sales?

I'm looking back through the post I made but there isn't an upolite or gratuitous comment about you, so i'm not going to apologize for one. Sorry. shrug Um on the offensive tones thing, i guess you must have one of those computer programs that reads text out loud to you. check if theres a setting for "read using offensive tones" and uncheck it or something, that'll probably help. :) by the way, you did say that you cant afford all these items at their full price and you also said that because of that you would not purchase any of them at their full price. Just wanted to clarify that for you.

Elisa, the Romeo and Juliette items (very nice), are just $1,99 so they're not a problem. The problem are those items (hair, clothes) costing $15 or more sale price (which means about $20 whole price), not because they cost $15 or more, but because there's so many of them, all together, and they are all good. Of course, it would make no sense to buy the clothes before the figure. So Mike3 and the morphs and textures must come first. You'll agree on that. And this makes already a respectable amount. Then there's so many brokered non-platinum accessories, all good quality and all inviting. But can't afford to get them all during the sale period. So I have to choose some and let go others. I am sorry to let go items that I would have been able to purchase if they were at a sale price. That is it, nothing else. No one of those items is indispensable, only the M3 figure is, so I can not justify taking away from my tight budget money for items that are nice but not indispensable. I would love to get them all, but spending $90 dollars on non-indispensable items is one thing, spending $130 or 150 is a different story. So, talking about clothes, I will get the sci-fiction clothes (which can serve many purposes) and leave the other clothes and textures, and the hairs as well, on the shelves. We're talking talking tight familiar budget here. With a larger wallet, there would be no problem.

First off, thanks for buying my Creatures ... I really don't consider it a bad move. they have extended the sale past the normal two week period. As people said, the introduce gradually method didn't work for a lot of people and there were a lot of complaints so they tried to fix it with having stuff ...

look whats rude is not passing things up because they are on sale its shouting aboutit in a forum like youre tryingto talk other people into doing the same thing or something. what reason do you have to badmouth daz and their brokers because things came out when most people have asked for them to come out? its the difference between passing something up in Kmart that you might want but cant afford and standing in the parking lot shouting to everyone how you wont buy that thing because its not on sale. i cant understand how you cannot see that as rude.

Audrey, please keep your sarcastical comments on the "offensive tones thing" for yourself. You did say, and there's written prove of it, that what I wrote is "silly". This is an offensive comment, without any doubt, may you like it or not. And if you don't want to apologize for that, then you are an unpolite person in serious need of some lessons of polite civilian manners. You also commented that I have been rude and disrespectful. And I take this as an offense too, because it is completely false, I did not offend anyone with my comments, and now I would really like you to prove the opposite, if you can... Finally, you have reported my concepts in a completely distorted way. Yes I have said that I will not purchase those items at their full price, because -and I made it VERY clear, repeatedly- I can not afford to pay the full price for so many items that are all very nice but not indispensable. Now you are free to behave or think any way you want, but please don't address to me anymore, in this or in other threads. I don't like to be addressed with the offensive and sarcastical tones that you use, and since you don't seem to want to conform to more civilian manners, and insist with your attitude, then sorry, but I'm not interested in reading from you anymore. regards, Orio

OK, go to your rooms ... no snacks tonight 8-)

(meant in fun, of course ... I just don't like to see people argue. There is too much of that here. 8-( )

Audrey: 1. I am not "shouting about it". I am discussing about it with other people in a civilian discussion. Civilian, that is, with the exception of your messages. 2. I do not "badmouth DAZ". I have the greatest respect for them, I have always said beautiful words about them (you can search in the forum), and I am their customer, and will be in the future. I am making a very quiet critic to daz. A critic that is, I think, constructive. You know, polite and constructive critics are one thing, badmouthing is another. And now, please, again, do not address to me anymore. I don't like your manners and I am not interested in dealing with persons who exhibit your kind of manners. Thank you very much.

Orio, It is possible that my comments may be considered as a criticism of yours. One should not offer negative criticisms without also offering solutions. So... These are my assumptions: 1) In order to be able to purchase all you want you need to spread them over two credit card billing periods. 2) The total price of all items on sale is 91.15 versus 121.67 non-sale prices. The total discount is about 25%. 3) You stated that $1.99 is not a problem. 4) I always pay my credit card debt immediately so am uncertain of the current interest rate. Let's assume it is 20% annually or 1.94% monthly. Therefore: Buy all those extras now on credit. At the end of your monthly credit period pay only half of these purchases and carry the other half to the next month. Pay that half off at the end of the following month. The cost of borrowing this amount for one month will be about 88 cents (less than $1.99) as opposed to paying an additional $30.52 via non-sale prices. I'd say this is almost as good as getting the full sale price. Problems almost always have solutions if looked at closely enough.

ok guys.. stop the mud slinging. take it outside. these kind of comments DON'T need to be in this fourm. if you want to continue to argue, complain, rant or Bitch at each other for one thing or another that doesn't make either of you look good, even though you are WELL respected artists, and everyone knows it. this mudslinging agaisn't each other,, well.. just doesn't suit too well with alot of us. so please if you want to rant at each other, do it through email, and not the fourm. its not cool airing your the dirty laundry out in the public. or so at least that what i was taught. stay cool, bring peace within yourself. sarge

P.S. i'm mainly speaking of the folks ( artists) who are attacking each others,,, not the ones who have thier disagreements and approvals with DAZ. sarge

jval, the way my credit card works, does not allow me to choose what to pay or what not to pay after that I made a purchase. The things I purchase, are credited to me and billed in the precise date I made the purchase. I have no way around it. Now, this thread -thanks to some obsessive comments- has become a much, much bigger thing that I meant originally. My original comment, was only that it was a bad move for DAZ to have piled so many new items all at once, because it creates some difficulty for purchasers with limited budget. And that is it. Period. There is NO: - attack to DAZ, I could not love them more, they make possible to make professional renders with budget amateur prices. - attack to artists - I respect them all, I admire and BUY their works - enough said - end of the world - I won't be able to buy those items.... so what, world goes on. My only intention was to politely comment on a decision of DAZ that I consider wrong. Of course, it is totally possible that DAZ is correct and that I am deadly wrong. From this, to the angry tones and offensive comments that I had to read, there is an ocean of difference. I really doubt that I will comment on this forum anymore, if it's not possible to keep a discussion within the normal, civilian polite tones. best regards to all, I quit this thread.

Orio, I really Wouldn't worry about the amount of stuff going on sale for M3 at once, couse as the man once said, "you aint seen nothin yet". there is a lot more product coming out and myself and several others have held of releasing all their M3 stuff at once. not infering that any of it's better then what has come out already but there may be something in the offerings over the next few months that you like better. so you cant buy everything now, perhaps thats could turn out a good thing in the long run :)

Orio, You are correct that you cannot choose which items you pay on your credit card. But "which items" is unimportant. What counts is the sum of money. By paying the sum in question you will not be paying excessive interest on that sum (which, of course, represents these particular items.) Because of this it is actually a good idea to buy something on credit when the interest charge is less than the savings gained. The difference is a net gain or profit. It's a basic concept called "leverage" in financial circles.

Wdupre has a good point. There will be new things on the horizon that are just as good as what is out now and maybe something that one might like better. Very good word.

Maybe she's got a charge card, not a credit card. Charge cards, such as the classic American Express card, require that you pay in full each month. (On the good side, there's no credit limit. Since there's no credit. So if you need to charge something insanely expensive, like heart-lung surgery, you can.)

jval, some credit cards require that the balance be paid in full before you can use the card again. Those cards don't allow you to split the payment over a couple of months if you want to actually USE the card before it's paid off. I've never understood this method, but I know it exists. This might be the type of card Orio has, I don't know, but it's a possibility.

Sales extended by Daz to accomidate customers, they didn't have to do that. Brokers set thier prices and whether or not an item that they are selling is on sale, how much, they don't have to. PClub limited editions that will be pulled and put in the regular store, gives PClub members a benifit to buy cheap for a limited time, Daz said they were going to do this and yet it still confuses people. If you think the prices are out of line, learn to model in 3d and create your own stuff. Many stores for Poser yet Daz is continually slammed for prices. Check out turbo Squid or other Poser sites and see how affordable some of the Daz stuff IS, btw most Daz brokers are high priced items by the creators choice, Daz original items are usually set resonably priced even at full price. Audrey, say hi to your husband glad his pack for M3 came out and he is doing better. If anybody is not paying thier bills because of poser might I sugjest a good 12 step program to deal with your addiction.

@ranydm77- Good point but I assumed it wasn't a charge card because he said credit card. @katetheshrew- Also a good point. I've never had such a card. I do know that sometimes a credit card company will apply such restrictions to new card holders. Usually, after a credit history has been achieved they remove such restrictions. In this day and age it is almost essential to have a basic understanding of credit useage. I once financed a new car purchase over several years and saved several thousand in the process. This was because I was able to invest the money elsewhere at a higher rate of return than the interest rate charged for the loan. This doesn't happen often but when it does it is like just picking up money lying around for free on the streets. It sure beats working for a living LOL!

Well I just got yelled at by my other half. LOL. I just spent a little over 240.00 on all the mike 3 stuff. He's such a grump. Anyway it was my own cash I was saving. I figured I'd bite the bullet now before the prices go up.

If you think the prices are out of line, learn to model in 3d and create your own stuff. Here's another viewpoint: there is no reason to model your own Poser items unless you want your imagery to be completely original, sell the result or just for the fun of it. If I were to model and texture a quality new clothing item it would probably take me at least a week. Even working for minimum wages I could earn at least $240 in the same period. If I bought a $30 item instead of creating it myself that would represent a net gain of $210. In view of this I am inclined to think the prices charged are quite reasonable. But listen up vendors- this is not a signal for you to increase prices LOL!

I just spent a little over 240.00 on all the mike 3 stuff Yeah I hear ya ... I tallied up my wish list and I will be close to that as well ... ROFL

Why I won't be buying M3 and all it's add ons. (a semi serious sort of fun look at Daz, poser, and other difficult monkeys) 1. I live in the California bay area, which means that everytime I visit the DAZ website it means I'll be living on tuna fish sandwiches for a week (not that I mind, I kind of enjoy tuna). my weekly poser budget is $10/week, so saving up to buy M3 and all his sale stuff that is currently out will take me 15 weeks, at which time it won't be on sale any more, so there's another 15 weeks at which time there will be more out that I just have to have which will take me... you get the picture. 2. "Hi, my name is Rob and I'm a Koshini-holic." Who needs M3! me? I'm waiting for Centaur-Shini and Centaur-Chiro to arrive. Vickie got bored sitting around with nothing to do, married the dork and moved to Seattle some time ago. 3. I keep getting M3 confused with T3, which leads to me to think he's running for Govenor out here and I think there's a law against downloading politicians online. 4. Going to wait for M4, which sounds cooler then M3 when you say it out loud (try it). Actually, M5 sound even cooler then that, so could we just skip 4? (wonder what year M16 will come out?). My solution? everyone pitch in a few dollars and buy me everything M3 at DAZ. In return I promise not to post any Naked Michael in a Temple with a Spear pictures in the gallery. Tempting, ain't it? ;) Patiently waiting for offers to come pouring in, Rob Disclaimer: The above was not meant to poke fun at anyone. No animals were hurt in writing this post. I've had about 3 hours of sleep and a lot of mountain dew, so I reserve the right to claim ignorance and delete my reply at anytime.

In return I promise not to post any Naked Michael in a Temple with a Spear pictures in the gallery. ROFL!!!! Oh no, a NEW trend. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

last time people complained about not ENOUGH stuff for a new model. Sheesh There's always one in a crowd rolls eyes