I was following the thread about merchants and the Marketplace, it had about 70 responses. I went back to check for any new responses, and its gone!!!

It's been deleted, lost to RO history. Seems that happens more and more around here. Laurie

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1431325

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12357&Form.ShowMessage=1431325

Its not deleted its been moved to the Forum news and Conteact Forum

cross post like crazy lol

Not Deleted but moved to Forum News cos so many people will look at it there eh! Way low blow.

It's more appropriate there because it deals with the site and how it operates, not Poser software. Other posts concerning Renderosity itself have been moved to the FNTC forum in the past, so this is nothing new. If the information was going to be "supressed," the thread would have been deleted. Thanks for understanding, Cres

Oh please. Suppressed, your the first to use that term. Doesn't that mean to sweep under the carpet, tuck away, get rid off. Isn't that whats all but happened by putting it in a low traffic forum? Suppressed you say.

(I'm sick and cranky today, so my post above probably came out wrong.) For the record, the few threads that are ever deleted are either warez threads, threads against the TOS such as "here's my pic of a hot chick playing with herself" or threads that devolve into members ripping each other apart. Even with the threads that devolve into flame fests (which are usually just locked instead of deleted), it's okay to post a new thread on the original subject so long as people don't go back to the flame fest that got the last one locked or deleted. Sorry, as far as I know, we don't have any cool conspiracy plots to take over the world. The truth is still out there, it just got moved to the appropriate place on the site. ;-) Hope this is more coherent, Cres

Cross post with mit123. I put "supressed" in quotes to indicate that's what we're always accused of when we move a thread to a more appropriate forum. Again, I'm home sick today so I'm not as clear as I should be. I'm probably going to lie down soon. Thanks, Cres

Thanks Cres - Hope your day gets better :) Wishing everyone a most wonderful weekend :] ladynimue

if there was an evil plot to take over the world we'd have to be more organised. And paid ... you don't get world domination on a volunteer basis. So if a thread you are fond of is moved, just think of us as the Evil Mother Librarians of Doom, filing it away so you can't find it. Lyrra the 'Suppressor'

Do we have to send you a mother's day card if you're evil? 8^) Marque

Im sorry to hear your feeling unwell Crescent, hope you feel better soon :) I just found it very interesting that a post that levelled a charge of unfairness, poor conduct and all round bad-eggedness on the part of Rosity first had its starting message deleted by Rosity - without any particular reason and then got moved to a quiet littl corner where the punters wouldn't necessarily see it or get wound up by the very strange goings on. I personally don't care too much one way or the other on the posts subject matter but I realise a LOT of other people here might. And not meaning to snipe or anything but Rosity is my fav site (sad i know) it is also probably the biggest independent non-partisan source of Poser products on the net and therefore the world. So in a sense you are world dominators, I just wish some of the people here would realise the responsiblity and seriousness of being such a big player on the world stage.

Actually the Forum News and Team Contact Forum is a very Well Visited Forum - and to be very honest, if you post to a thread in that forum your message will be read quicker than if it was posted to the Poser Forum [which has so many posts daily that a thread can be buried within minutes]. Please refrain from name calling and slanderous remarks toward Rosity members - that includes Moderators and Admin! ladynimue

It may well be well visited and read quickly but by whom? The ordinary rank and file of RMP buyers? Ladynimue, I wasn't aware I had name called or levelled any slanderous at anyone at all, in fact that kind of thing to my mind is against TOS in spirit if not word. I'm assuming your statement was to me as I seem to be the only poster on this side of the fence?

grin

In the UK we have a saying about being sent to Coventry. It means to be shunned or ignored. Hmmm LOL

The issue wasn't just about Poser...it was about the Renderosity community as whole, and Forum News and Team Contact Forum is used and visited by community members from all forums. Gads, the Poser group is egotistical. This isn't the only community on Renderosity. And, yes, some of us do manage to click into other forums. It really is a strain looking outside of the Poser box but well worth the effort sometimes. I personally think it was appropriately moved. It wasn't lost or banished. It is there for all of you to see. If you can quite quibbling and click onto the thread. It's Friday, you can do it. I have confidence in you.

I don't mind that it was moved, I just wish there was a little note in it's place that said this thread has been moved .

Absolutely Dialyn I couldn't agree with you more. However, the majority of posts in any forum is here, the majority of pictures in the Gallery have Poser used in them and the majority of goods in the market place are for Poser customers (haven't got the exact numbers but shoot me down if Im wrong) Therefore if Khrys felt there was something of importance that the Rosity community should be made aware of then HERE is the most intelligent place to put it. And to be honest all this business about this isn't the place to post such a message REEKS (sp?). Its as valid a post here (if not more so) as were the message about the recent spate of virii and worms doing the round via email. None of those posts got swept away OT, I wonder why that is? Think outside the box, its Saturday here. lol

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PML thanks for making my year Lyrra!! ~beck who really needs to stop cruising the poser forum with her first cup of coffee ~ kb replacement costs are through the roof

'Therefore if Khrys felt there was something of importance that the Rosity community should be made aware of then HERE is the most intelligent place to put it' mit123, That's a slightly contradictory statement, to say the least. If a post involves the 'Rosity community', the POSER forum isn't the place to put it. It's not going to reach the entire community from here. This may be a large forum, but it's not the only one. And if you don't believe me, go tell it to the Brycers. You'll be lucky to get out alive. Not that I expect you to to agree with me. The same thing was pointed out to you by dialyn and the penny obviously didn't drop. mac

The one about Stormrage and the Real Men series!!

mit123 - for the record I was not speaking of you in any way what so every when I posted "Please refrain from name calling and slanderous remarks toward Rosity members - that includes Moderators and Admin!" I was just making a general comment - in great hopes that this thread would not get out of hand and turn into a moderators/Admins against the Rosity community, or with one member bashing another member because they disagreed with a comment someone made. It was also a friendly reminder that the mods and admins are also part of the Rosity Community :) The Moderators are here to help you in anyway we can. As to Your comment: "I'm assuming your statement was to me " Rest assured my statement was NOT addressed to you - If there was an issue that I thought I needed to address with you as a moderator, - I would have done so in private :] Sorry you took my comment any other way than what it was intended. ladynimue

Mac Bryce forum New Messages 1-25 of 631 Here New Messages 1-25 of 1347 Im well aware of the other forums and frequent the ones of interest to me. It seems it not just my penny that didn't drop, I was making a point about volume not an elitist comment. I notice you havent addressed any of the questions i asked Ladynimue, thankyou for clarifying that point for me. Of course the mods are a part of this community and you yourself have helped me out in the past.

Not a problem mit - It is easy for statements to get crossed-posted, or just misunderstood - the down side of "finger-talking" you can't see facial expressions nor hear word inflections.

Let me try to answer your questions:

Q #1 - However, the majority of posts in any forum is here, the majority of pictures in the Gallery have Poser used in them and the majority of goods in the market place are for Poser customers

A #1 - You are very correct in your assessment. Poser is a huge influence on the Renderosity Community. The majority of images, threads, and Market Place items are Poser driven.

To the extent that other members in other forums also use Poser (even though some would swear to being software purest, when they wish to post a person or animal in an image they usually [but not always] import a Poser figure). Because of that reasoning it is important to the Renderosity Community to post information [as the post that was moved] to the Forum News and Team Contact Forum [FNTC Forum], as not all members view the Poser Forum.

Also, as I stated in an earlier posting a thread posted to the Poser Forum can be buried within minutes and lost within days, due to the high amount of postings in the Poser Forum. Thus, the paradox Although the FNTC Forum does not get as many Threads posted daily, it does get the majority of Posts per Thread.

View this thread if you are in doubt of my statement - 368 posts. And that's just one example. If you look through the FNTC Forum Archives you will find even more examples.

Also, if you scroll through the names of the members, who posted to the above mentioned thread, you will recognize many of your fellow Poser members thus, it is only logical: If you post to the FNTC Forum your message will be seen by the masses and responded to.

Also, although Poser products do make-up the majority of the MP items, matters concerning the MP affect all members of the community, not just Poser Forum members. In fact, there are many occasional Poser users who seldom frequent the Poser Forum thus by moving the thread to the FNTC Forum, the thread is not being buried, but instead is being highlighted.

Q #2 - None of those posts got swept away OT, I wonder why that is?{{{in reference to other post ie virus warnings, etc. not being moved right away}}

A. #2 - Please keep in mind the moderators are Not full time Renderosity employees. We all have regular [offline] 40 plus hour jobs, families to care for [and I have heard rumors that some mods even have a social life away from the computer]. As much as we would like to catch All the posts that do not pertain directly to a Poser software problem or question to be honest, we are only human and cannot catch them all at the moment that they are posted. Same for the Gallery Images that might violate TOS, same for the removing comments from images that might violate TOS, etc.

That is one reason we depend on the Renderosity Community to bring these items to our attention Sending off a quick IM to any of the moderators is the best way to get either an answer to a question, or to let us know that a thread might need to be moved, or a image or comment is in violation of TOS. We are not asking members to do our job, but instead asking members to help us do our job.

And what exactly is our job and why do we do it? We are here to help make your time on Renderosity a pleasant one. We help answer questions, and make sure the Rosity Community is a place where members can feel safe and comfortable within the community.

Why do we do this, because we love Renderosity and its members! We are all artists, just like you, and it is our way of thanking Renderosity for being so generous with its Free Gallery Space, Free Tutorial Space, Free Learning Forums by giving freely of every moment of our spare time to help the Rosity community, it is our way of thanking Renderosity.

ladynimue

"None of those posts got swept away OT, I wonder why that is?" I'm afraid "we're awfully busy" isn't a very good answer to the question. The fact remains that a mod "finds the time" to move a post, it is, coincidentally perhaps, the one that reveals embarrassing facts about the way R'osity treats the vendors. Witness Neftis' going public with a complaint a while back. And usually it gets moved after a mod steps in and participates WITHOUT moving it, as was the case in this one (ClintH). Apparently he failed to notice that it was in the wrong forum. I am a regular visitor here but not a vendor. Although I've been around other forums, I've never even heard of the one this was moved to. And that, until someone convinces me differently, seems to have been the point of moving it.

I don't think it got swept away, after all, it was up to about 70 replies right before it got moved. That does take up alot of space. It was off topic. But I am glad it was put before the Poser forum people. I just object that it was moved, and no message was left in its place saying where and why it was moved. thanks

Sorry you misunderstood my post mickmca.

You seemed to have twisted my words when you posted: I'm afraid "we're awfully busy" which was a rather rude comment to make on your part, and you totally misunderstood my previously posted statement - sigh.

• what I did say was:
  "We are only human and cannot catch them all at the moment that they are posted." this does not mean that we do not catch them, or that we do not care - what it means is that we try to catch every thread as soon as possible, and in the cases when we do not catch them right away, we appreciate members letting us know about them :)

We are never Too Busy to care about the Renderosity Community ;]

If you see a thread that you feel should not be posted in the Poser Forum, please feel free to contact any of the moderator or an Admin and we will be very happy to look into it for you :)

As to you not knowing about the FNTC Forum - It is the very First Forum listed when you click the Forum Button on the top of the page - Thus, it is Not Hidden! And As I have shown in my example - a very well Read Forum!

ladynimue

Hi Jerr, Thank you for your understanding in this matter, it is very appreciated. As to your question about why a notice was not posted. If you have selected "Notify -Email me when someone replies" the ebots should redirect you to the thread [even if the thread was moved to a different forum] when someone posts a new comment to that thread. ladynimue

Ladynimue Thankyou very much for your full response. I wasn't trying to start a us against them type of thing. I just think this particular matter could have been dealt with more grace. I absolutely agree with you that as this was a matter that culd affect all of Rosity it should have been placed in another forum but you must admit as a numbers game this is the place to post. I believe that is why so many MP vendors placed commercial posts here as the message would get the widest possible viewings. Anyway enough of all this. Whats been done has been done and thanks to the links at the top of this post we all know where to go to make any further remarks on the actuall matter. :)

I guess I don't see how claiming you consider yourself "busy" is an accusation or an insult, much less rude. I happen to be awfully busy myself, and I too make time for things that are important to me. Moving threads that embarrass R'osity is obviously important to someone. I don't think threads should be moved unless the poster requests it. I find the virus threads utterly uninteresting, and I skip them, along with any number of other topics that aren't important to me. It's not a problem. Moving a thread might be justified to share it with a larger audience who might be interested, but it is never justified when it is done to get rid of it. I stand by the point of my post, which was that when the mods do move a post, it usually is one embarrrassing to R'osity, not merely because it's "off topic." But never mind. If you are an unpaid employee, you have my sympathy. No personal offense intended. M BTW: I have had no notice that any replies appeared in this thread, or I would have replied sooner. And yes, I have the flag checked. If I were paranoid, I would wonder if the Bondware system can turn off the reply notice globally for threads that should not exist.