I have not applied it yet, but the list of fixes is pretty long. Mostly minor, but useful. Also apparently gets rid of the damn metacreations references.

Umm, better check out the posts on this in the Poser forum! That list of fixes is right out of the 4.0.2.118 patch. There's nothing new except for Curious Labs logo and title, and updated Web links. Worse, a lot of people are reporting Poser trying to get on the internet and "phone home" I can't veryify that on Win2k/ with Zonelab firewall, but numerous people have reported it. Screwy, ain't it? Regards- Lemurtek

No, the limits applying to IK targets is new. It had been previously considered a feature, not a bug. I'm not certain of the rest, but I know for certain that 4.02 doesn't apply limits to IK targets. So if everybody thinks there are no new features they are wrong.

Well, I'm glad somebody got something good from the patch. As far as the IK targets, do you mean the line from the readme: * FEATURE CHANGE-- Limits are now applied when IK is on. This was not being applied in the original Poser 4.0 This may change your current poses until you turn Use Limits off. Because that is from the 4.02 patch. As far as it goes, this is only partly true, in 4.0, and 4.0.2, and 4.0.3 (for me anyway)if you have IK on (for the legs say) and you have USE Limits on, Poser may or may not obey that for the IK goal (if that's what you mean by target?). For example, grab the foot (goal) and move it (with tool or dial), Trans seems to obey the limits, but Bend, twist, side-side etc do not. Poser behaves exactly the same in this from 4.0.2 to 4.0.3, at leats in my experience. I mean no disrespect to you or Curious Labs, but I see no improvements in 4.0.3 at all on my system. Regards- Lemurtek

Could be. I know the 4.02 does not respect limits with IK in any method I normally use. I so rarely use trans when editing a scene so maybe I just assumed that it fixed this. Currently I have something like four versions of poser installed and have not installed 4.03 yet. Need to clean up one of the old ones first, as I have stuff in some libraries and not in others.

I downloaded and succesfully applied the 4.0.3 patch to Poser for Windows. I sure wish Curious Labs had tested this on installed copies just a little more carefully before shipping it out to customers. Although I appreciate the bug fixes referred to in the readme.txt file, I don't appreciate the new bugs they introduced in this patch. The most irritating one is that the preferred state is no longer saved when I exit Poser. If Curious Labs is listening, "Can you guys please post another patch with this problem fixed?"

cdisdero- This is called MGD (Messy GUI Disease) and Typhoid Bloodsong is repsonsible for spreading this heinous infection. Ok, on a serious note, this is not limited to 4.0.3, because it happened to me with 4.0.2. I think Bloodsong also has 4.0.2 (?). I can't remember if this ever happened in 4.0, and since 4.02 and 4.03 are functional the same, this may well be a bug in the patch. I definitely would like to see this annoying bug squashed. Pretty Please, CL? Regards- Lemurtek

Hrrrmmm.. I applied .0.2 to my Poser4.. granted manually... and suffer no ill effects... my GUI comes up the way I want it to, the UI dots. allow me to shift twixt resolutions. Maybe it was an automatic install thing? Those with the MGD should compare install methods... Just a thought... Wizzard

I just thought members of Renderosity would like to hear what kind of useless tech support response I got to my report of a bug (namely, not saving preferred state on exit) after installing the Curious Labs 4.03 patch. My original question appears at the end: ----- Response from Curious Labs Tech Support ----- From: Tech Guy To: Chris Disdero Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Problems with your latest patch 4.03 Rule of thumb is never apply a patch to a used and installed copy, apps change to many parameters that confuses the patch. Reinstall like this: Win presets will remain if installed to the same directory, BACKUP MAC PRESETS (personal custom stuff) WIN:Use control/alt/delete and the task manager that appears to close (end task) some of these tasks, leave if possible only the explorer and the systray running, reinstall. This assures that your install is clean, if your are installing Poser to a different directory then you must assign it a folder example d:/Poser 4, the installer will ask "this folder does not exist, shall I create it?" This assures you that it is a correct install. Mac:In extension manager make an extension set copy of OS base, rename to Installer. Turn off all of the extensions but Apple CD-ROM and QuickTime and QuickTime power plug, reinstall. Something in you system has conflicted with the proper install of the program. This set can also be used to check on further conflicts. Then patch it in this state. Tech The prefered stae is a bug and the fixes will be posted soon. ------- My reply to "Tech Guy": Hey, I'm a software engineer and I don't need to be told about how to apply a patch for a program. I applied your patch to Poser 4.0 (direct off the cd from Metacreations) and guess what, it failed in the exact way I describe. Second, I applied to another fresh install of Poser 4.0 off the cd the 4.02.118 patch (which by the way does not have the bug I described). Then I applied your 4.03 patch. I get the bug I described. So the problem is not with how I applied your patch - the problem is that YOUR PATCH HAS A BUG. So please fix it and don't give me any stupid lectures about rules of thumb. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Disdero To: tech@curiouslabs.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Problems with your latest patch 4.03 I downloaded and succesfully applied your 4.0.3 patch to Poser for Windows. I sure wish you had tested this on installed copies just a little more carefully before shipping it out to customers. Although I appreciate the bug fixes you refer to in your readme.txt file, I don't appreciate the new bugs you've introduced in this patch. The most irritating one is that the preferred state is no longer saved when I exit Poser. Can you guys please post another patch with this problem fixed?

The prefered stae is a bug and the fixes will be posted soon. Hey, you got a tech person to admit to a bug, I'd say that's pretty damn miraculous! :) Regards- Lemurtek