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Subject: Would you put this photo in the Art Gallery?


enax ( ) posted Tue, 11 November 2003 at 2:44 PM · edited Fri, 08 November 2024 at 3:14 PM

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I would like to know your opinion. Thanks.


Tedz ( ) posted Tue, 11 November 2003 at 6:09 PM

Why not? Your Descriptive Titles spark the Mood....and Your "simple" works are envied...well, by Me...and I ain't alone :]


Michelle A. ( ) posted Tue, 11 November 2003 at 6:40 PM

Is this a trick question Francesc?! :~D It's a wonderfully moody piece....the light is fabulous... and now I will tell you what bothers me, and it is very minor.... those little leaves poking into the frame from the left and the blurred one on the right... I see them as a bit distracting. Am I being nit-picky? You bet I am....but I know that you are a perfectionist, and that you are your own worst critic, and I am sure you noticed them too. Now that being said, do I think that it belongs in the gallery? Yes, I do. I think Tedz said it best, your works are moody, emotional, and heartfelt. And despite those little pokey things, it is still a fabulous picture...... Hugs to you dear friend.....

I am, therefore I create.......
--- michelleamarante.com


PalmerPolanski ( ) posted Tue, 11 November 2003 at 8:08 PM

No. PalmerPolanski : )


Michelle A. ( ) posted Tue, 11 November 2003 at 8:27 PM

How about backing up that "No with some reasons why..... it would be interesting to hear them. :~)

I am, therefore I create.......
--- michelleamarante.com


firestorm ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 12:28 AM

yes, but with the same provisos as mentioned by michelle.

Pictures appear to me, I shoot them.   Elliot Erwitt


Raven_427 ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 1:43 AM

Yep, i would .. :) I must admit, i didn't even notice this smaller leaves on the side, but now, that Michelle talked about them, i'd agree with her. In all other aspects, this one fits very well in your gallery of great work.


enax ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 4:56 AM

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Not Michelle; isn't a trick question, but I wondered myself the same one hour after I put this message. Sorry, consciously, I'll never do this to you (all).

I discarded this photo for the gallery. I like the color, the light, the light in the leaves, the blurred trees, the mood, even the title which Tedz noticed. I don't like neither the annoying leaves; you Michelle aren't a nit-picky. Also I don't like the "plume" of the plant in the forefront out of focus. But this photo has something wrong and I think that is the composition, the 50mm lenses aren't my preferred and I am not so good as you Michelle, for example, with this lens.

Just now I've tried to crop the photo with the elements that I like and the result is more as the style that I feel myself well. But one of my rules is "not crop"; compose in the moment of the shot to get the 100% of quality, as I said, a cropped image can be good for the gallery but its use is limited to the monitor. And I'm wondering: why in the moment of the shot I didn't endeavor to get the photo that I like? If I can do it now with Photoshop, why I didn't composed in the moment of the shot?

Thanks for your generosity I appreciate very much your opinion and sorry for the silly title of this message, it should have been What is wrong in this photo?


Misha883 ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 9:09 AM

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In any shooting session I take many (most!) tries that just do not "work." Not necessarily anything "wrong" with them; just for some reason they lack something. I also do not like to crop from the original composition; never as sharp and detailed as the full frame. With the wonderful light and rythms in this scene there are several opportunities for cropping. I like yours the best; it does look like your style. Here are two of my quick attempts. [I see at least one other possibility, but no time this morning...]. The exercise of looking for crops does help to improve field composition. Thank you for sharing the exercise.


Michelle A. ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 1:12 PM

Ahhh....yes the crop is much better and in keeping with your style. Go ahead enax! Take a walk on the wild side and start cropping. ;~) Of course it is alway best to slow down, and really look at all of the elements that appear in your viewfinder before you snap the pic. I agree with you there, and I also try to avoid cropping....but.... Sometimes it is impossible due to angles of various objects to get in good and close to do away with unwanted distractions. A little cropping is not a crime! And sometimes necessary to clean up a shot. As far as the 50mm lens.... it is closest to our eyesight, the way humans see in their field of vision. I have been limited to the 50mm until the recent purchase of my macro lens. It's amazing how this limitation, (not being able to zoom in and out, or get very close) will force you learn and explore a subject in different ways. We could have a whole discussion on the good and bad of zoom lenses versus fixed focal length lenses.... that could be interesting. And I agree with Misha this has been a wonderful discussion.....let's do it again sometime. :~)

I am, therefore I create.......
--- michelleamarante.com


logiloglu ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 5:13 PM

is it possible to scan the crop with a higher resolution ?


Misha883 ( ) posted Wed, 12 November 2003 at 7:45 PM

scan the crop with a higher resolution ? Sure. Depends on what sort of equipment you have. Some "desktop" film scanners do 4000ppi. 'course, can also make a conventional projection print, and scan it on a flatbed. Errors always increase! Errors due to original lens sharpness, motion, focus, film grain. Two-step process of scanning a print introduces more errors. Modern materials and lenses do pretty good, however, particularly for CRT output. Here are some links to some experiments posted here. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1160648 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1160776 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=1420552


logiloglu ( ) posted Thu, 13 November 2003 at 4:15 PM

thank you Micha883 for this interesting infos. !!!! :O) !!!


enax ( ) posted Thu, 13 November 2003 at 4:28 PM

Thanks Misha for these two "crops", when I cropped the photo I also thought with your two crops, a good coincidence. I agree with you 100% that playing with crops is an excellent auto-lesson to improve the composition in the moment of future shots. I'm sure that this thread will help me this weekend when I'll take photos. Vade Retro Michelle, tempting me to go to the wild side :)) Anyway, as logiloglu recommend, the cropped image has enough resolution. About the 50mm, again I agree with you Michelle, it force to explore but this is other of the fantastic things of the photography. As I said I luv how you use it. About the zoom lenses: once upon a time I didn't like the zoom lenses, the same time that I didn't like the color. Now I like zooms and colors :( Usually I don't use the zoom to compose, I use its extremes and I move myself to get the compo. Anyway I prefer the fixed focal. When I'll be rich I'll hire a caddy, not for the golf, for the photography, and I could say: please the camera with the 20mm, please the camera with the 600mm, not better the camera with the 800mm or maybe better the camera with the 15mm. better this than zooms. Maybe for the next challenge we could introduce the 50mm as challenge. Thanks again


Michelle A. ( ) posted Thu, 13 November 2003 at 9:01 PM

When I'll be rich I'll hire a caddy, not for the golf, for the photography, and I could say: please the camera with the 20mm, please the camera with the 600mm, not better the camera with the 800mm or maybe better the camera with the 15mm. better this than zooms. LOL! Maybe you will let me borrow your caddy and your cameras?! I agree, I prefer fixed focal too, but my next lens shall also have to be a zoom. sigh

I am, therefore I create.......
--- michelleamarante.com


Misha883 ( ) posted Thu, 13 November 2003 at 10:18 PM

I've used two zooms. The Canon 35-70mm is OK. The Sigma 170-500mm is fair to poor, but honestly the results may be mostly due to vibration even when mounted on a heavy tripod. Prime lenses seem to work much better. I'm eagerly awaiting Donald's full review of those Canon monsters, not that I can afford them, but one can dream...


enax ( ) posted Fri, 14 November 2003 at 5:11 AM

@Misha: The Canon 35-70mm must be one of the most perfect zoom in the market, but the Sigma 170-500mm sounds hard, I think I'll never buy one like this one.

@Michelle: Sure, count with your particular coordinator... sorry caddy... poor caddy :) also with a stock of cameras (Canon EOS 1V, Hasselblad H1) and lenses. Is easy to dream my dear friend, but would be great :)


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