np c1rcle. :)

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions here, though it's quite obvious what the general opinion here is, please bear in mind that without having agreed to a brokering contract, DAZ will not host your products. I've signed that contract a few times now, as well as NDAs and other legal documents with DAZ... and never once have I had Sarge's problem of the amazing dissapearing non-existant contract. No, in fact I do not believe that Sarge's gripes have anything whatsoever to do with the CC Chargebacks, anymore than I think any of you do.

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tell you what i'm going to do,, i'm not going to post anything here,, you want info,, go running over to DAZ and get all the scoop... ROS doesn't need this shit... DAZ does,, and to those who don't believe me, hey if they fuck you, don't say i didn't warn ya. cause i'm posting it over there,, I'm not under NDA,, and I have the paper trail and other stuff too to prove it all. so have a good day folks.:)

Please continue this discussion in the Copyright Forum or OT. Thank you. Further discussion in this thread will result in it being locked. Lyrra (Moderator)

I'm not sure anyone cares about the scoop, sarge. You posted a thread here, in my opinion, as an avenue to find some way to disparage DAZ. For my part, since I'm not a broker, I don't really care what kind of problems you think you have. As a buisness person, if you don't like the contract or agreement you have with someone, then get out of it. There is no need to run around crying to everyone else about it. You want to muster some sort of mutiny against DAZ? Then take it to the merchant forum (though I suspect the R'City merchant forum isn't the correct place for it either). As a matter of fact, THIS forum isn't the correct place. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that R'City hasn't removed the thread...I thought they had a good working relationship with DAZ and to allow (perhaps, slanderous) remarks of this kind is a bit surprising to me. I would think they would opt to remove (or move) the thread altogether. Now, don't get me wrong. I feel for the "vendor crunch". I know prices are low as hell for us buyers. I think I understand how hard it is to try and make a living at this sort of thing. BUT, I don't think you will find a lot of sympathy here for your problem. There, I've already spent too much time in this thread. So have you, sarge. I suggest you find a more comfortable way to sell your models. Get a website and do it yourself if everyone else is pissing you off.

Darn, Lyrra, "the tired and weary one", you and I cross-posted a similar thought. :-)

Dang. That's what I get for showing up late. {i have the right to remain Silent! Miranda rights- June 16th 1966, Supreme Court ruling in the Miranda case All People Must be informed of their rights. do understand these laws?} I understand that this ruling came from the case of "Miranda vs. The State of Arizona", in which Miranda was arrested and not informed of his constitutional rights when he was interrogated by the police. His confession led to his arrest and his sentence. His attorney filed a case which claimed that he was never informed of his constitutional rights, and therefore, he should not have been found guilty. After reviewing this case, the Supreme Court ruled that all persons placed under arrest must be informed of their constitutional rights before the government agency (police, FBI, etc) interrogates them. These rights include the right to not incrimate oneself with one's testimony, and the right to an attorney to properly defend against the state's case. There are some exceptions: 1) The police can detain you and do not have to read you these rights if they don't ask you any questions. You can be arrested and processed, but if they never interrogate you, you won't be read these rights. (There is no "right to remain silent" if they don't ask you anything.) When you go before a judge for the initial hearing, the rules change, though. 2) These rights only apply when dealing with government agencies* and DO NOT, yes DO NOT apply to private groups, such as corporations, businesses, and (not suprisingly) public Internet forums. If you don't want to answer a question posted by someone in a forum, don't answer it. But, don't be absurd and claim your "Miranda rights" give you the right to stay silent. *As a fairly obvious aside: these rights only apply when dealing with governmental agencies in the United States. A person can scream "Miranda rights" all they want, but if they're in a British court room, those rights mean nothing. P.S. In a "twist of fate", a few years after his release, Miranda was arrested on a drinking & driving charge... and, yes, the police read him his "Miranda rights".