Caly,

This is most definitely a group of which the majority wants to see it a particular way, no matter the evidence to the contrary, even to the point of making up explanations the offender can't think of himself.

And I can't tell them what I think of that.

I don't know what people expect. I don't think any apology would be enough...and that's really very sad on many levels. I think, thewishmaster, you should resist the temptation to read any more of this thread. Learn from the experience and move on. You now know to be more careful with what you download, whether or not it is free. There are textures for sale that are meant for people to use as a base for their own textures...I'd suggest you save up your pennies and get one of those, acknowledge the source material, and go back to doing someting creative with your time. It's really not going to be productive to continue reading this thread. People will believe what they want to believe. You can't change anyone's mind, and I wouldn't try. I have and it's never worked. Really, time to move on. There's a little box down below the message box that says: Notify: Email me when someone replies. This would be a good time to uncheck it. Really.

Amen to that dialyn :)

Dialyn,

What do people expect?

I expect him to say, "I wanted to give away some neat free stuff, but I didn't know how to make it myself or I didn't have the tools. So, I cheated. I won't do it again."

People are claiming his mistake was lack of knowledge. I believe his mistake was expecting to not get caught. I can forgive either, but only if the apology is honest.

and how can you tell if it is honest Migal. I can say the same thing.. I wanted to give away some neat free stuff, but I didn't know how to make it myself or I didn't have the tools. So, I cheated. I won't do it again. Does it make it true? or honest? He has said time and time again he is sorry. He apologized 9 or is it 10 times now? And you still don't buy it. thewishmaster I agree with Dialyn.. ignore this thread and begin again

Yes, the statement would be true and honest.

The renaming of the morphs proves intent to mislead and refutes lack of knowledge.

He hasn't said anything to make me believe he knows exactly what it is he did wrong. And it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the wide number of explanations hes seen for his own actions confused him.

Were I a silent newbie to these forums, I would think nothing of doing exactly what he did, because I'd be secure in the knowledge that I would be defended by a large component of renderosity who seem to believe that this sort of behavior is something other than warez. Or, perhaps they simply tolerate warez.

"Were I a silent newbie to these forums, I would think nothing of doing exactly what he did, because I'd be secure in the knowledge that I would be defended by a large component of renderosity who seem to believe that this sort of behavior is something other than warez. Or, perhaps they simply tolerate warez." Dirty pool and low blow Migal. NO I do NOT tolerate Warez, and your making that statement is so utterly rediculous it really doesn't deserve a comment. You can assume what you wish, but frankly you know what they say when you assume something. If I was to assume anything about you it would be that you don't give a shit how many times someone apologizes it has to be done your way or by all the gods above they can never be forgiven. I think maybe you need to read this whole thread again. But do me a favor and take a look at the screenshot he posted. He's from a different country give him some slack here. SOme people deserve a second chance and a chance to change. Tough if you don't like it. When you make a mistake I will be the first to point you back to this thread and say well how can we forgive you, after all You can't forgive anything else. I am done with this thread. no reason to listen to any more garbage about what some people assume just because you dare open your mouth, and how you are a theif just because you make a mistake AND APOLOGIZE 10 TIMES FOR IT! Sheesh!

thewishmaster "Im sorry Fish I did not know that It had a copyright as I downloaded it copyright free I have deleted the texture from my hd"

thewishmaster "Well that is a lesson I have lerand I did realye think that it was ok to use this tex ore I would never have used it... "

thewishmaster "As I have said once I did not know and Im sorry."

The above statements and the 8 plus apologies made by thewishmaster show that his mistake was lack of knowledge, there is no reason...besides cynicism...to believe otherwise. There have been many newbies that used morphs to create new characters not realizing that it was not "kosher" to do so.

Expecting him to say something that he says is not true to satisfy someone's cynicism seems a bit irrational and jaded. If honesty is what is wanted...then you must accept his explanation as honest until you have some solid evidence to prove otherwise.

Nothing more can really be said. Those that choose to see evil will find it whenever and where ever they look. My vote is for Lyrra to lock this thread before it get's out of hand.

I was starting to enjoy coming to this forum on a regular basis, but the attitude of many of those who have responded to this thread leaves a lot to be desired. Do you all want blood, or is it just that you've found someone to take out your years of anger and hatred on. Personally I think many of you should go look in the mirror and have a search for who is really looking back at you. Either that or just grow up. I'm sorry to say it but I find I am most disgusted with this kangaroo court and all that that represents. Catlin

To quote dialyn: "People will believe what they want to believe." Around here, some will attack you no matter what you do. No matter how many times you apologize. Ceaseless arguement is a "poser community" pastime. We are out for blood. Nothing less will satisfy. Keep building characters, thewishmaster. Just make certain that the figure is 100% yours, or else, used with permission. Peace.

P.S. - You would do well to have that permission given to you in writing, signed, notarized, witnessed, and attested to by five lawyers.

Illusions, yes, newbies commonly make morphs from other people's morphs. That is not what happened here. He simply renamed the dials and left the morph data unchanged.

Stormrage, you of all people should know better. That texture is brokered at DAZ. I am assuming nothing. Your wish that I assume something will not magically make an assumption materialize. Warez is the free distribution of proprietary computer data. And Stormrage, rest assured. You will not get the opportunity to berate me for such a thing, because I will never do it, nor have I ever done it, nor will I condone it.

Your point that English is probably not his native language is a good one. I must consider the probability that he may be having difficulty expressing his thoughts to us. As such, I will explain to him in detail what it is he did that was wrong.

Wishmaster, when you renamed those dials, then offered the product in the Free Stuff section, it was the exact equivalent of distributing a copy of "The Lord of the Rings" DVD on the Internet, with the title and characters named differently. This is a form of warez and it is not all right to do. Perhaps you did download the texture from a Japanese warez site, and if you did it would certainly benefit us to know that URL. But, you have to be able to see how some of us could doubt that story about the texture, considering what you did with the morphs.

There is a simple and safe rule: If you didn't create it, don't distribute it without the permission of the creator. If you did not know this, you do now, and I look forward to seeing your energy directed toward your own creations in the future. If you need to know how to make your own morphs, pose files, injection files or textures, I will gladly teach you.

"Illusions, yes, newbies commonly make morphs from other people's morphs. That is not what happened here. He simply renamed the dials and left the morph data unchanged."

That's not what I said or suggested. I said people have made characters using other peoples morphs...they have also used morphs from other characters or even existing characters entirely. It's a common mistake among newbies, and was a mistake some who went on to become "poser gods" also made at one time or another as well.

"I will explain to him in detail what it is he did that was wrong.

Several others beat you to that in prior posts.

"...it was the exact equivalent of... blah...blah...blah... This is a form of warez and it is not all right to do.

Already explained, although the LOR analogy was not a part of that explanation.

"Perhaps you did download the texture from a Japanese warez site, and if you did it would certainly benefit us to know that URL."

It wouldn't benefit any of us...it would benefit Zrincx since he holds the copyright on the texture and is the only one that can file a formal complaint about it...something that could better be handled between Zrincx and thewishmaster via IM or email.

"If you didn't create it, don't distribute it without the permission of the creator."

Already pointed out by Anton...see post #27.

Feel better now that you've had your chance to chide thewishmaster and tell him everything many other people have already told him? :^P

Illusions, if a site is distributing warez Poser products, they are likely to be distributing more than one. That is why it would benefit us and not just Zrincx.

Per advice, I've read the thread again. I'll summarize:

WM: Get my free thing.

Forum: Err... That's Zrincx's texture you're distributing.

WM: It is? Woops. I got it from a Jap site. I'll take down the freebie and post the URL to the Jap site.

Forum: Err... That freebie included somebody else's morph, renamed to look like an original.

WM: I'll post a link to that Jap site.

Forum: Err... The morph?

WM: I'm sorry.

Forum: For crissakes! Leave the guy alone! He said he was sorry!

WM: Here's a screen cap that proves I purchased the morph here at renderosity.

Forum: If you thought it was okay to distribute the morph you purchased, why did you feel the need to rename it?

WM: I'm sorry.

Forum: Geezus! Leave him alone you pious nazi! He said he was sorry! Enough already!

Forum: Jap site 24 hours later?

Forum: Meanie! How dare you use the word "warez" to describe warez! This isn't real warez! Renderosity would ban somebody for warez. In order for warez to be real warez at renderosity, it must present a serious risk of getting them sued. This won't get them sued, so it isn't really warez.

Nothing is going to change the fact that I've spent the last couple days watching a bunch of renderosity members defend a warez post in any way they can.

No, I don't want to see the guy get banned. Not at all. I think we should teach him how to do what it is he wants to do. However, this is a perpetual problem at renderosity and I'd like to see it stop. Treating some warez as if it were different from other warez does nothing to help.

Just watching the Discovery Channel. About Tuthmosis and his dream of the Sphinx. Fascinating stuff.

"Nothing is going to change the fact that I've spent the last couple days watching a bunch of renderosity members defend a warez post in any way they can."

No one, I repeat, NO ONE is defending warez!

We are, however, defending an INDIVIDUAL. An individual who did what he did in ignorance. And, then, after revealing his ignorance, some others cannot let this terrible criminal go with a simple admonishment. No, apologies aren't enough. He MUST be punished first. For making a newbie mistake.

If you are incapable of grasping the subtle shades of meaning here, then I leave it to you......

His wrongs have been explained to him. In excruciating detail. Further verbal jibes are mere piling on.

Your offers of help are....interesting. Like slapping someone's face, yelling at them, and then offering to straighten out their tie for them. Interesting.

The Sphinx....a fascinating subject.

Have a care with who you claim is defending warez! Most of us see a member that made an error, the first and only time he's done that here thus far. If it happens again we will expect to see the site ban him. You seem to be the only one that wants to paint him a criminal. He has been told what he did was wrong, he has acknowledged that and apologized for it. Why do you want to continue to belabor the point... If you are incapable of distinquishing fact from fancy...or just have a desire to twist the facts to match your cynicism...further discussion with you is useless. Say whatever you want...unless XENOPHONZ wants to continue sparing with you, you can talk to yourself.

I'm outta here, too. Off to other jousts.....

Illusions,

Im incapable of taking you seriously. You argue for the sake of arguing, no matter the number of heart attacks.

Xenophonz,

If I criticize, I'm not allowed to offer assistance?

I don't think any of you are intentionally condoning warez. I think you have trouble recognizing that it is warez, due in part to renderosity's double standard.

Okay. I am declaring this horse officially dead It is this Moderaators decision to give this guy one more chances. This incident has been noted in his record. If further incidents happen, stronger measures will be taken. If he does nothing else wrong, we will not have lost a possible member because of a stupid newbie mistake. Meanwhile, why don't you guys stop doing my job and go do something constructive. Lyrra the Cranky