Well this was a kick in the head. You now have to pay for three uploads when it used to be free. Thanks for nothing! If you wanted to have additionals features to charge for, it would have been far wiser to allow 5 upload for more money per day. But to strip away items and then charge for them is bad business. I know that I will not be contributing as much of my time to the forums and the galleries now that this policy went into place. And I have been a member since almost from the beginning. I am certain that my images contributed to for renderosity to get the number of page hits it does and also contirbuted to renderosity having any real participation of Lighwave users. And I do recall the days when there was talk of dropping the LW gallery and forum because lack of participation. The first page of the Lightwave most viewed gallery is populated by many of my images, renderosity even asked to submit my work to it's sister 3D magazine. Renderosity would be NO WHERE! With out the contributing artists. We are the very reason for Renderosities existence. We are what brought this web entity to where it is. And as you very well know, that Web entities can vanish over night if the users of the site get alienated. While I rarely post more than one image per day. It takes me as long to produce a image I would consider worthy of uploading. There are rare instances where I do a series of images that are only effective if posted in order. But that is besides the point. Charge for email if you want and for the market place and other services. But do not start charging the artists that made renderosity what it is for things that were freely available. It is insulting, unfair, and well outright greedy. Find some othe way to make your money. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that soon the artists personal galleries will be capped at some unreasonable figure and that if you want any of your stuff to stay up past say 5 mbytes you will have to pay a monthly charge! If this keep up Rosity will cease to be a Artists online community and become just another ISP. I applaud Renderosity in it's first steps to AOL'dom! Most of all I always plugged Renderosity on other web forums with rave reviews, I've stuck by the site through all of the early technical problems and the like. Well now I am feeling cheated, and it seems that buisness plan for the site owners was in reality the classic bait and switch. Lure them on with decent service for free and when you have em hooked, switch em to paid service. I wonder how many of the people who made this site what is is, have now been totally alienated. I hope that BONDWARE enjoys it's bag of silver. I only hope that NO ONE artist actually PAYS for 3 uploads per day. I call for a BOYCOTT of the 1 upload per day limit and the restoration of the FORMER 3 upload per day limit.

I applaud Renderosity in it's first steps to AOL'dom! It's first steps? Where on earth have you been? R'osity started screwing the membership over a year ago. It's a business, not a community. Those of us who think this is a community, or anything to do with artists are just poor deluded suckers who need to get a clue. This is nothing new at all.

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Hi pnevai, We are sorry that you are disppointed in the new gallery upload limit. The announcement was posted over a month ago to this forum, and the one limit gallery upload has been in place since Nov. 3rd. The above link will take you to the thread, which goes into great detail as to the reasons for the upload limit change. Here is an excerpt from that thread: "There has been much discussion by the community and the administrators of this site about the slowness of Gallery pages to load and database locking issues. In order to remedy this situation--to increase overall site speed (especially in the Galleries); decrease bandwidth usage and the Gallery database load; and help make the experience of surfing through the pages of Renderosity a smoother, more reliable experience--we are implementing a change in the amount of allowable gallery uploads per day " Please remember that you can still upload 7 images per week - or 30 to 31 images a month - or 365 images a year , which is a lot of images - All For Free :] Because some members still wished to post up to 3 images a day on a regular basis, Renderosity offered the "optional" Gallery Plus package :) I am sure once you review the above thread, that Renderosity's reasons for reducing the uploads to one per will be more clear. It was not a way to create additional revenue, but instead a way to keep the site running smoother. Thank you for your continued support of the Renderosity Community. Dee-Marie

I'd also like a reminder that there were artists who wanted the uploads reduced in the hope that there would be fewer but better quality graphics in the galleries, and that good graphics wouldn't get buried so quickly. This is a real issue on the Poser gallery, I know. That request has been around since I began here more than a year ago. There's more sides to this issue than just one...as is usually true of most things.

There's also the added benefit of new viewers to a member's gallery. There's not so many images being uploaded every day that members and visitors aren't able to surf more artists' galleries to view their work. I've been getting loads more views per image, and I'm by no means a 'superb' artist, as so many on my favorites list are! I was a bit upset at first too, but it really works better this way...more views, new repeat viewers, etc. My .02 :)

One feature that draws people to this site is the galleries, but it's a "loss-leader" for Renderosity - a feature that costs money, without any quantifiable return. I think it's a worthwhile experiment to limit uploads, if people were dumping quickies here at the rate of 4-5 per second. A more manageable number would be 3-5 per hour, if the artists expect to get a fair viewing and a fair appraisal of their work. But with 100,000 artists competing for attention, I doubt they could ever limit it that much without wholesale mayhem.

oh.. this has made my day... thank you! get a blasting scathing attack and the reply ends with 'Thank you for your continued support of the Renderosity Community' ??? I'm off to laugh myself silly.... thanks for cheering me up while I have heavy flu....

Hi Kaibach,

I am glad we can bring any joy into your day, especially if you are not feeling well :)

As to the questions being answered with a polite reply and a "thank you" for supporting the Renderosity Community...

That is one of the wonderful features Renderosity - It allows members to state their opinions about the Renderosity site: both negative and positive, as long as the opinions are within Rosity's TOS.

pnevai mentioned that he has been an active member of the Renderosity community for a long time, thus the reason for thanking him for his continued support :)

I hope that you are feeling better soon. Having the flu is no fun at all :(

Sincerely,
ladynimue

That is one of the wonderful features "about" Renderosity

no no no LOL tis the whole thanking him part... whether or not for your reasons... still logically hits home as thanking someone for ripping that person a new one.. funny, in the UK, the thank you would have been put thus, 'Thank you for your views on this matter' the way it's been put, it actually reads 'thank you for yelling at me, I enjoyed it' maybe it's a cultural difference?

When I worked with the police department, we were taught to respond to abusive or loud or angry people by saying: "Thank you for sharing that." Now, when someone uses that phrase on me, I will respond by saying, "that doesn't work on people who took the same class in customer service that you did." I have to say, however, I think ladynimue is sincere...she is one of the kindest people you're going to meet on Renderosity.

...? who's having a go at Ladynimue? I'm not lol just answering her post, explaining why that choice of phrase is funny thats all...

I know. :)

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In the grand scheme of things one upload a day isn't too bad. Now Renderosity slandering Lady Cherry, that's another story. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12357&Form.ShowMessage=1531967 What someone should do is make a list with links to all of the threads that show Renderosity's goof-ups. That'll entertain ya through the entire flu season. :)

Quote dialyn: "I'd also like a reminder that there were artists who wanted the uploads reduced in the hope that there would be fewer but better quality graphics in the galleries, and that good graphics wouldn't get buried so quickly." I agree with dialyn. Good work gets buried way too quickly - pushed down the line by substandard images that look like they were thrown together in five minutes using default lighting and bog-standard models. I am not an outstanding artist by any means and the gallery should of course be open to all standards of artist - experienced and novice but the three uploads a day gave people an open invitation to flood the gallery with images that look like they were created by my dog. Just because they COULD upload three images per day meant they HAD to upload three per day or they felt they were losing out in some way. It can take me anywhere from three days to three weeks or more to create an image that I think is good enough to put on public display and if I'm in any doubt - it doesn't get posted - so the one per day is more than enough for me. Rosity is far from perfect but they do have to make money and if people want to upload three per day - let 'em pay for the privilage.

I understand you Kaibach. ;) You're refering to the original posters' verbal attack and then Deemarie saying "thank you for your support" in response to his rant.

pnevai, the new policy has been in place for about a month now. It really does help the galleries.

OK so start your own large community website with the ability to upload however many images a day that you want.

100,000 artists trying to upload one 200 KB image per day. That's 308 KB/sec, including UUencode or MIME overhead, so you'd need one T1 line at $1,000 per month to handle that. But you'd need ~7 TB or server space to store a year's worth of these things, so I wonder how they have avoided the task of sweeping them out every six months or so. That must be one impressive server farm. Or maybe my calculator ain't working right.

Some info.... A quick look at the whats new section of the gallery here gives -> 7102 images uploaded in the last 15 days.... which is about 474 images a day. It used to be about 800 images a day (from some statistics that AgentSmith calculated) when you could upload 3 a day. The cutback in upload rates is definitely having an effect.

Personally, I like the new limit. It cuts down on the massive upload issues. It also forces me to think about an image before I upload it, which is a good thing. Really, it is.

I also like the new limit, as it cuts down on the crap. And let's be honest, there has been quite a lot of crap here in the past. I'm not trying to start another one of those "what is art" debates, but when someones spent days -- weeks, even -- perfecting a single image, it always ticked me off to see it buried within half an hour by a deluge Poser renders that consist of nothing more than a naked Posette in a stock pose with stock lighting. And, generally, with the "tit-morphs" dialed up to seven.

Hmm - if anybody wishes to post 10 images a day, he can open 9 additional accounts. The web is full of free email providers :)