Stop leaving! Please everyone! It's sad! And the really sad thing is, the reason it seems eveyone seems to give is because of the hot 20, and ratings and things. Ack! If you think the hot 20 is corrupt, why should you care about it? I dunno. Just seeing all these people go, made me sad, but I'm okay now.

this is silly..why leave over the hot 20?? Arn't we here to learn..does it matter who wins or lose? I thought we were a community struggling over bryce..not issues that shdn't even matter! I've been so caught up with things ..that i have little time for myself, let alone bryce..but there is a folder that is full of ebots I have to go thru. And I do so want to enter this month's challenge..though I know I can never get anywhere close to a lot of pple's work. And nopes..I'd never want to leave here unless I am so caught up, that ebots freak me out!! ;) Or AS decides enuff of me around here! :) To the pple who leave.. over stupid issues like hot 20, etc..is it worth leaving, knowing that the pple who judge hot 20 are not so much us but kiddos who really don't know, that the few years or months that you stayed here (i've only been here for a few months)..you've learnt so much, shared so much, even yr own personal life and probs, and even fought with each other? And hey..all families fight..if they didn't..they sure wldn't be a comfy family to be with..you'd be on yr best behaviour all the time and wldn't even be able to let down yr hair or kick up yr feet on the sofa! I hate partings..I've had a lot in my life.. I've left countries, cities, even hemispheres.. never got used to all of this.. still leaves an empty space...

I noticed that this evening and I know the angst of not getting credit when its deserved but from whom is the question. I think that what 'I' think about my work is more important then what anyone else would. I come here because I enjoy art, no more no less. steps off podium I hate that all these very talented ppl are leaving. :(

I'm sorry, I have to leave now. But I'll be back after work.

tjohn!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! ROFLMAO! (i have got that acronym right, haven't i?) :) :) Sniff sniff. feels good when someone makes you laff when you blue

I would like to express my words.The most senior members should well know about the Hot20 and how it works.To get up and go ,with referral to this is kind of silly to me.Also being a talented artist, one might think they would stick around to show the beginners what they might expect with practice.We all know this Hot20 is a "vote for friends deal" and has no bearing on how good someone is.I for one never look at it.I do say excellent on people's images no matter what.Sometimes for lack of other words,but more to show that I have checked out the image.Sort of a drop in say hi thing. When they are really good I do vote. Words of expression come out of me when an image is spectacular. Remember back when you started how much a thrill it was to get a pic in there.Let it be for the beginners.Contests are one way to really show talent as they are not so inclined to have just acquaintances vote.Rather a way for people to add their name and show how they ranked it.Heck I believe I should have won the last contest. Don't we all?........................................... But will I pack it in because I didn't? No!....................................................... I keep struggling on.Maybe one day.One thing I do know is I will stick it out to show my images and hope newbies can learn from it as I have from here,and all you other fine artists.OK no more rambling ... Just don't take this so serious.Have fun.See another day.

Did it happen again recently? Who?Where?What "all people"? I know one member who left 2 weeks ago... AS

Yup ... it did. And it's heartbreaking.

What "it did"? Ahhhh.....feel like I'm in the dark here, lol. AS

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Well, yes...I do know of JC's thread, but that was a week ago, but from Mrdodobird's NEW post, it just reads like there is someone else leaving...again. Besides, JC_01 and Striving aren't truly gone, they both have logged onto here as recently as yesterday, and have been posting to threads on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th... Which, neither one of them should leave, ever! Brycers GOT to stick together. ;o) AgentSmith

Check the gallery, SylvieB92 has left for similair reasons to Strivings.

Well, don't worry Ian, I'm not going anywhere, I'm too damn stubborn. You guys are stuck with me, so get used to it! As far as the "Hot 20", I've never had a pic there, but it doesn't bother me 'cause I'm here to learn, have fun, and hob-nob with(and possibly annoy)my fellow Brycians. However, that having been said, if I ever offend one of you guys, or you have a bone to pick with me, please don't hesitate to IM me. I promise not to bite.

Good. ;o) AS

I never look at the Hot 20, for the same reason that I don't watch MTV - the pics are chosen by popularity, so subtlety or skill isn't going to be highly regarded - or even noticed. The Hot 20 is kinda nothing, anyway. Seems to me that there's a core of super-duper artists here, who blow everyone else out of the water. Everyone who visits the forum regularly knows exactly who they are, and they know who they are. So why not view it as.......the cognoscenti know the REAL Hot 20, the other is for people who need affirmation?

Rofl...I like that MTV reference, my chuckle for the day.

I'll worry more about the hot 20 if I ever get good enough to get in there. Personally I think of the hot 20 as a little bit of cream to go with a damn fine cake. THe cake is the people and art represented here. The cream is when the group of artists are willing to say that I think your image is worth voting for. For me it's the artists like Rochr, Alvin, MrDodoBird, Hobbit, HypeBorea, amethyss, ocdoug, beton (from other galleries think of ToxicAngel and TwistedKid) etc etc who I look at and think 1) that's worthy of a vote and 2) I'll try something like that. Plus take a look at Ornlu's stuff, or Bam Bams, rarely in the hot 20 but a good source of inspiration and technique. If a piccy is in the hot twenty that I don't think is worthy I ignore it end of story. I'm sorry that anyone, especially a talented artist would leave over abuse of the hot 20 :-(

You guys think R'osity is bad. Go to GFXartist. I'm pullin out of there. Way too many art snobs. Here you can be you, and not have to stick to the going style of art "They" like.

Woah...deleted a couple posts, calm down there shadowdragonlord, little attack-ish and a little too much cursin'. And, deleted bazze's post that responds to shadow, which would read funny out of context. We can discuss without spittin'. Thanks. AgentSmith

Hot 20 - kinda neat if I ever get in there, otherwise I ignore it as far as myself is concerned. But, really I gotta say, the majority of pics that are usually in there are from the artists that we can ALL agree on liking. No, not ALL the time, and not ALL of us, but...it could be way worse. Anyone remember Poser's hot20, and the pink pony? AS

The weekly moan about the Hot 20 is becomung such a regular feature, perhaps AS will consider a link under the banner, along with the Challenge page, Backroom etc. LOL.

Trick question...

now I'm curious - what about the pink pony? I did a search and found some really strange stuff in the gallery.

Shadowdragonlord, your earlier post stuck alright, but funny thing is, MY hand got stuck on the "delete" link. From now on; please don't refer to other members in a duragatory way (petty name calling) Feel free to discuss, but do so in a manner in which you (at least seem to) respects others. Again, thank you (hint hint), and this is my last request. AgentSmith

Hmmmm...Class...Classs...Cllllaaasssssss... One thing you can always be certain about they say they leave but they always come back...My two cents worth... 1.Get rid of the hot 20,and in its place will be a different poll that where AS sets up where say a Pic has to get 5 or more Rankings then it is put on a Seperate page that the BRYCE Community can vote on then the Top 10 get shown for a 2 weeks to a Month on this special Page then they get replaced by the next months 10...I know more work for you AS but cant you delegate someone from the Community to oversee? 2.We should hold our own Monthly contests and we should be choosing Bryce Products from the store for the Prizes and we should have a link on the frontpage for the contests this way everybody coming to Renderosity would see us BRYCERS are involved with making Bryce Better for everybody...Nuff said...

Lol, Pink Pony... We had a member here at one time (he may still be around, not sure), "Doc Legume". Crazy guy, interesting, intellegent, and insane, lol. At one time I believe his Pink Pony pictures held 15 out of the 20 spots in the Poser Hot20. AS

I think Legume is still around. My take on the whole Pink Pony thing: I would say Legume's work is in the original spirit of the Dada Movement. People in the Poser section of Rendo got sick of the Purists and other Art Snobs. They started voting heavily for Legume's work, filled the Poser Hot20 with it, and even voted him Artist of the Month. The snobs went ballistic, but that was sorta the point. How do I feel about Legume's art? Entertaining. Eye of the beholder, man, eye of the beholder. :^) BTW, the above is strickly my personal take. I may be way off on some of the details. John

Each time I post a picture to the gallery I am so happy that people thought enough to click on the thumbnail and look at the picture. Then some nice people even left comments! Even if I never make it to the top twenty, I'm still in artist Heaven. Peggy

The Hot 20 is all up to us! We have to trawl the gallery regularly and pick out what WE like AND VOTE! More than that....tell the artists that you have voted. In recent days I have seen some fantastic entries and am frequently stunned by the skill and imagination of so many of you........ I often wish I had more time to trawl but there's the breaks. Don't leave, vote!

Amen Peggy! Of course, I'm in the hot20 right now, so I can't really talk....... But still. I have to go to school, and I'm late.

Don't worry, it'll take 2 more warnings to get me out of here..;) I've never been to the hot 20, dang sure never been in it, so I wouldn't sweat it none..;) I'll be the party guest that won't leave..;) hang tite, all, we're only good as those who stay to make a difference.

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Hmm..I do the same thing, but a bit more manual, change mine once a day. Finally sorted all the pics out..I've downloaded over 6,000 from 'rosity since 12/01..so I've probably got something from everyone..

Amen Peggy! 2 . I'm new here. Feel the same way. I can only aspire to be recognized by my fellow artists. The viewings and rankings are one of the reasons I post. they provide me with much needed feedback. Thanks to all. Everyone needs to talk sometimes.

Ok, ive been in the Hot20 once or twice, so i best shut up about that... :) However, about leaving, i have to agree with what many above have stated, we have to keep Bryce alive. I honestly cant believe why anyone would leave this great place because of one feature. After all, isnt Rendo about displaying work, learn and interact with great people? I think were doing just that. Hot20 is just one part of it, and hardly the most important one. Ill definitely be around pestering the rest of you for a long time... :)

Hi everybody... just to say that I didn't leave Renderosity, and I'm not leaving Bryce Family, even if I'll be using other packages to spew off my ideas. I was absent, and I will be for another lenght of time, but the reasons are different: one, I have to learn some challenging softwares for a project; two, I'm moving into another house so I can't connect right now and I usually "steal" connection time from a friend. But, hey, I'm so glad to see that the Hot20 issue is HotterTwentier than ever, LOL... I have to agree with our Tentacled Talent here above because Thou Speaks Truth, Rudy. Hot20 is just one item in this wonderful community, so why bother? Just my very absent two centavos... Love ya all. S.

Count me in with Burgi on this fab little app. It's just wonderful and almost as light as helios with your RAM even if you have to set them to start with Windoz. S.

I too dont see why people are leaving over something as trivial as the hot20, I mean I agree with DC and rudy, off all the great things here at renderosity, the hot20 is nothing, I go to it after long absences just to see what everyone has been up to, but I dont pay attention to the numbers:) I have to agree with the dodo bird, STOP LEAVING!!!!!!!

I'm not one to advise others in emotional choices, some encouragement maybe Yes. I couldn't bring myself to leave here, I've gotten so much from here both technically and spiritually that is what it is to me..."Family". The change in others lives may prompt certain decisions, yet the choices can always be, chocolate this week, vanilla the next, and then back to chocolate. So who knows!

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LOL, just checked the Hot 20 for the first time in months, and I hafta say there's some fabulous images in there. OK, some iffy images as well, but that's life. Will have to visit there more often :)

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You know, I never saw the Pink Pony series, but I was in New Orleans not long ago and went to both the Blue Dog and Red Cat galleries. I know a lot of people who think Blue Dog is crap, but I gotta admit, I loved it. Went crazy for it ... would buy some originals if I were richer than Bill Gates. And, I'll never (a) make it into the Hot20 or (b) leave (although I may take short breaks now and then). I don't look at the Hot20 unless someone tells me there is something in there to look at. I often forget to vote, even when I'm gaga about something, and I'm awful at politics anyway.

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but is it free?

I don't think the top 20 is a trivial thing. Many artists upload images daily and work gets buried fast. Work that is in the top 20 gets more comments and more views, feedback is what we all like, it's part of the fun of showcasing your art. It's also a showcase of the Bryce community to other communities (Vue, Poser etc.)Seeing the great work in the top 20 makes me proud to be part of a fantastic Bryce community. I agree with Bryster, we just need all to vote for the really good works, and make the top 20 the flagship of the community and a source of inspiration for all. Just my two cents.

Thats a good point Creations has made. I often look through the other apps hot 20 as I haven't time to check every picture here. It's also a good way of seeing what other software can do.

Yeah, voting is the only way of making the Hot 20 have a truer feel about what we all think. Remember last time with the whole dark horned equidae chap? For a while we all seemed to be voting a lot more and the quality of the Hot20 shot up. It's the only way and I'm as guilty as the next Brycer by not voting when I see a great picture. So with this said it is with great regret that I have to inform you, my friends, that I'm not leaving, nope, no way, no how, never. You ain't getting rid of me that easy.

Getting a pic in the Hot 20 is nice but what really gives me a buzz is when I get a mail saying someone has added me to their favourites. That rocks.

I think this Hot 20 issue has been done to death. Just like the "what is art?" issue (spits). It seems obvious to me that Renderosity will never scrap out the Hot 20 just for us. So if hot 20 is too hot, just stay outta there. The galleries and the forums are still available. Besides, I don't think anyone joined R'osity because of the Hot 20. Personally I joined for the gallery, I found out about the Hot 20 much later. Yup, definitely not a reason for leaving. Yeah, I the Pink Pony is rebellious art against those purists and snobs. I thought it was rather brave of the artist to do that.

burgi, you've earned your pay for the week..;) thanks all for the links..now how do you actually get to the hot 20?..;)