ok as I was with a thread I started..... http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1690467 I realised we need PPANN....Poser People against No Noses. that is right we need noses folks! real ones with bridges and charecter depth and perhaps a bump or two. that is right we need a real honest to goodness noses! while I was thinking on this..I realized there are a few other body parts missing.... ~clears her throat~ 1) cuticles...where are they? where does vicky get her nails done that there are NO cuticles? even the best kept nails have that skin around them...so where are they? we need them too... 2) kind of gross but ...Nose hairs...we never see one of those sneaky critters poking out...when we get a close up portrait there are no forest growths to be seen even on the men! 3) goggles...yes you know that thing that forms after a certain age on your chin to your throat...vicki apparently has the BEST skin in the world as it never sags and when it does it does it neatly no swinging goggles. sometimes that adds charecter. 4) actually a branch of number 2 but...ear hair! yes I know gross but hey have you LOOKED in any ears lately yes even the most neat of freaks have a few and the older generation seems to have more. you want realism ...lets get some ear hair too. 5) well this one is not so obviouse and only really needed for "certain" scenes but for petes sakes why dont they have anuses? again you want realism? then you need that too. so these are just a few I thought of ..yes I realize I need to cut back on the caffine..but we need some things. realism is not always pretty. Also...what about some chiped nail polish? I think Ill go paint some of that..... what are your PPPs? {Poser Pet Peeves}

My PPP - Those damn collagen lips with the big hole in the middle that so many people seem to think is sexy. Christ on a bike, it's a damn deformity, a known medical condition and not at all attractive. There, I feel much better now. :)

I agree with SamTherapy..those damn HUGE lips..reminds me of Mick Jagger or Goldie Hawn...hurls into my leftover airplane yak sack LOL. I buy EVERY pack that comes out with older people/obese people..anything other than Barbie. I agree on the nose hairs as well..if we had them maybe we wouldn't need the no glow thingy. Oh how I wish I could model..not enough time in the day to learn the umptine(sp?) amounts of software to truely become proficient. sighs

You're not alone on the collagen lip look (as I said in the other thread). Other PPP's (well, not so much pet peeves as things that so many people overlook in their images) ... Eyes ARE posable, and it makes a world of difference in the emotion and feel of a picture if attention is paid to eye expression and posing, rather than keeping the default "blank stare" look. Posing hands - I always wondered why so many poses have the fingers spread WAYYYYY apart ... far beyond how anyone would actually spread their fingers. Using posing limits ... there are also many poses that really overexaggerate how a body really poses. THere are an awful lot of limber Vicki's in these parts. 8-) THe "Use Limits" feature of Poser helps you pose your characters more naturally, providing that the limits are set in the figures. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Hear hear on the use limits!!! I've gotten freebie packs with better attention to the limits (which WORK! darn it) than the ones I've paid for! And I'm not talking just IK, either -- I'm talking simply working within the limits that were defined for the joint -- it's a double click on the dial away to see what they are (even easier in P5), it's in the manual, but it's ignored becuase it's easier to do it the other way -- spin until it's close. While not all of the "bent mesh" issues with close joints like elbows and such can be fixed with this, one hell of a lot of them sure can be...

Personally I just like to see blemishes on the skin! Check out Steve Shanks gorgeous Sarah skin over at Poser World - it looks real coz it is not airbrush perfect. I also get annoyed at textures called 'goth' or 'gothic' which are basically all pure white with a big black 'tattoo'. No one looks like that! All skin has texture and blemishes - even with white make up on! Finally, and I promise to get off my soapbox then, eyebrows! Not everyone has the thin lines that most textures come with - has anyone made a real bushy pair? I have a male character I am working on and he so needs a nice dense pair of busy caterpillers - perhaps this is a job for the Hair Room!!!

Well I made obese, older, "real" characters. But not many people bought them. Gertrude was just deleted from the Warehouse yesterday sniff and Frank got sacked months ago. Oh and Frank had fairly brushy eyebrows. Of the transmapped sort. You can't blaim merchants for making stuff that sells. You also need to "vote with your money". Apart from that, I agree totally with DarkElegance. I even made a picture with nose hair once, back when I first got Poser 5 L It was ... erm... quite a sight. As to noses, I think I tend to go in the opposite direction myself, my characters often have quite BIG noses... just like myself L

Well, dang me breeches (is it Talk Like a Pirate Day yet?). Here am I with my PoserWorld subscription, I check in nearly every day to see if there are any new goodies, and I somehow missed Sarah. I was just going to suggest skin blemishes; instead, I'm off to PW for some recreational downloading. :D

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ernyoka1 YAY!! I wonder what they reaction was to the nose hair in the pic? I was gonna put underarm hair specially for the male models but I think that one was taken care of not sure though.... I just think noses are underrated. I mean look at sofia coppala...great nose. one that gives her charecter and adds to her beauty. paloma picasso..another great nose. both woman with a strong elegant air to them. look what happened to jennifer grey..she got rid of HER nose and went bye bye from hollywood because of it. sometimes a small pixi nose just doesnt work. you need a NOSE! also Nipples that move. ok no woman do not have movalble nipples per se. but if we could move the nipples on the breasts we could get more natural looking breast shapes and movement.

Unless you've had a boob job...each breast is usually a different size....I've also been seeing more & more pointing up to the ceiling??? WTF?? Who has nips like that??? LOL

you mean the "saluters"? not only that but breast tend to move to the side when you lay down as if they are trying to hide under your arms. you cant do that with poser. they dont move that way...also when trying to get them to get closer together for a more natural look they look odd. also ... nostrils. enlarge that nose for something that looks like a nose and you get HUGE nostrils ones that are terrifying! you try and size them down and for some odd reason they seem to revolt against your efforts and become even odder. also I hate to say it...but .....the rump I know some that work out that have that chisled squared off look..but frankly it is not what we are all looking for..a rounded softer look would be great.....

Actually, you can. Natalia by Dacort has breast morphs to move them separately and to sway them to the side for lying down images. Jaager created a package of morphs for Vicki (maybe Vicki2?) which had breast movement and more natural movement of various tendons if a heel was raised or a head was turned. Back to topic... not all ladies even here in America shave their armpits. Very few wax their crotches (although some may remove stray hairs that would otherwise escape from bikinis). The one underarm hair prop that I know of is for M2 only and is found at a gay poser art place. If I was painting a texture for an old person, I'd at least indicate some hairs in the nose and ears. They are so fine, that they wouldn't need modeling. One prop that I've never even seen mentioned is... belly button lint! There are bucketsful of jewels and piercings and studs... but no lint? (I'm not asking for it, just amused that nobody else has.) Carolly

OMG Ididnt think of that! yes belly button lint! you know though that opens a whole new doorway...ear wax...and...things in the nose...and all that very real stuff too...hmmm then again is vicki ever wearing enough cloths to GET belly button link~giggles~

In order to get belly button lint, you need a hairy body and some suitably soft fabric such as a cotton t-shirt. The hairs rub on the inside of the shirt as the guy moves and they collect lint... with all that chest hair pointing down, the lint travels and gathers itself into a nice soft pill nestled snugly into this convenient hollow. The more chest hair, the better the lint collection (at least in my observations). Most of the males I know wear cotton t-shirts or undershirts. I don't know any man who regularly wears silk underthings... although long johns and other thermals out of silk are fairly common in cold climates. A couple decades ago when dating an astrophysicist, my finger started orbiting his belly button. I asked, "is the event horizon of a black hole spherical?" He responded, "it depends upon the speed of rotation", confirming my surmise. Hmm... either I'm going to have to start dating again (find hairy male and supply him with silk) or somebody else is going to have to investigate whether silk and polypro also produce lint. This is a matter of empyricism over guesswork! Carolly the Scientifically-Minded ;^)

On the subject of eyes; I find that even those who do try to pose their figures looking at something other than infinty, still fail to grasp how binocular vision works. The leading eye looks directly at something, the other triangulates. It's suprising how much difference getting that right makes to an image, particularly if the figure is close to the object of their attention.

Problems I have with spinning black holes; how can an infinitely tiny object be said to spin in any meaningful way? Also, if matter (lint or otherwise) close to the event horizon starts rotating with the black hole - as I've read that it would - surely the effect of centrifugal force would tend to decrease the escape velocity for said matter, thus reducing the event horizon around the equator, not increasing it as the textbook diagrams show?

John the terminally puzzled

John, It might have more to do with fluidity than size. The earth is extremely small and insignificant compared with our own galaxy. However, it is fluid enough at the core to become noticeably oblate due to the spinning. (Actually, the magma is pretty sloshy.) A glass marble will also become oblate if measured with precise enough instruments (glass is a liquid, rather than a solid, it is just a stiffish liquid). A solid metal ball, or anything crystalline with rigid and well-structured packing of molecules, would be even more resistant to shape changing... but I think that would be due to the bonds holding the arrangement together. So a black hole would be dense... but wouldn't it also be fluid if all those bonds have been broken? Carolly

Carolly,

Thanks so much, I posted that pretty much as a joke, but it is a question that seriously bothers me. I really hate finding myself totally incapable of understanding something. I don't say that your reply has given me an understanding of the phenomenon, but it's sure set me thinking!

Just wish it wasn't 2.30am here, thinking about this stuff isn't conducive to a good nights rest.

John the very sleepy

Muir's law: When we try to separate anything out by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.

Taking a conversation from nose hairs to blackholes pretty much confirms it for me.

Every astrophysicist needs to keep an artist or two around to teach him the meaning of the word "unquenchable" (paraphrased from Gandalf's grumbling about the curiosity of hobbits). This is far from my fields (although I do try to keep up with the exploration of space). When I read something or an issue arises, I usually know who to ask for detailed explanations. Most of these guys show up at science fiction conventions. The bigger cons have a science track, and where else to argue speculative discoveries or fringe theories? I remember one mathematician talking about white holes, black holes, and worm holes... with a dollop of time travel thrown in for the audience. :) Poor Batronyx! Sorry, but thread drift follows in my wake. Carolly