Brian Brandenburg gave some coordinates in the PC Forum as a clue to the big announcement, they are the coordinates to Bryce Canyon. Bryce has been rescued! Yahooo! Coldrake

Does it mean the price will go up? better get Bryce 5 now- unless DAZ plans to sell it for less or give it away to P.C. Members...

WHAT?

Will someone please post a clearer massage. Right now we can only second guess as to the meaning of all this.

I heard about this and had to come look see what you guys knew about it...lol,lets face it guys-DAZ has had so many problems developing DAZ Render that they had to buy someone elses render engine technology to rescue their biggest project to date!!!As for Bryce,I hate to say this but DAZ has made so many poor executive and business decisions as of late that rather than a salvation it could mean doom for Bryce.You have to employ the right people for the job and taking pride in having a good clean up crew to fix your mistakes after the damage is done to me is like shooting yourself in the foot to see if your gun is loaded!!As for prices,you know DAZ is either going to raise the costs of everything or they're gonna gut Bryce to use its software in DAZ Render...they are just too greedy and make way too many bad business decisions!! I do hope I'm wrong on this...in rare cases DAZ actually does a good job:)

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Message edited on: 06/23/2004 00:11

Sorry. :) DAZ Made an announcement a few days ago in the Platinum Club Members Only forum that something HUGE was going to be announced sometime this week. DAZ has been giving a few clues in the thread about what the big news is. It turns out that DAZ has aquired Bryce. The official announcement is expected tomorrow. Armorbeast, like Corel has done such a great job. ;) Coldrake

????????????!!!!!!!!!! blink blink..... Are my glasses ok? Did I read that right? DAZ bought Bryce? I'll believe it when I see it... and maybe then it will even be hard to believe it.

Yep I will just wait and see...

This has happened before only to turn out as virtual vapor, I asked the PTB over at DAZ if this is true, we'll see.....

Hmmm, maybe they just want to slow down the render times for a Poser6.

Lol @ ocd! I logged on tonight and read the title for this post and promptly let out a war whoop and started dancing around like a clumsy ballerina. This of course terrified my cats(poor dears). I then wondered if this was merely like one of my disappointing dreams where naked Vicky shows up without her sword and I wake up just when things are starting to get interesting. I had an urge to stick myself with a pin to see if this message was still here. If this is not just a rumour I hope that DAZ will assemble a great team to not only continue selling Bryce, but to continue development.

No wonder they wanted Rochr on board for a new Bryce forum on their site.

Maybe that should be they bought a copy of Bryce? ;-) Sometimes rival companies buy out each other in order to remove the competition. I await with anticipation.

Hmm... I'll wait and see as well. Maybe someone sold them bryce canyon instead ;)

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If this would be true, i can only hope they dont merge Bryce with something Poser-like. As it looks today with every CG/mag competition, Bryce is always allowed, Poser is not. A merge would most likely put Bryce out in the cold as well. A "Bryce 6" would be nice though. :)

There's a nightmare concept - Daz buys Bryce & Poser, merges them together into one big app (Prycer, Broser) ...........Poser and Bryce users end up liking each other - or - worse - declare war..............

here in the UK DAZ is a paper-mache/clay hybrid which kids use for making candle holders and leaky pots and then paint in primary colours.....(when i started typing this i think i had a humourous point to make - ho humm)

Heh, I'm a happy user of both both Poser and Bryce. Poser sets up the figures, Bryce renders them. No conflict as far as I'm concerned. I suspect DAZ is looking for a similar potential to that between Poser and Shade (and also Poser and Vue). Its new Studio product would benefit from a close alliance with an established 3D environment software. I thought this would be the 'big' announcement when Rochr mentioned that contact from DAZ...

Yeah, PJF, there's a lot of little things that point this way aren't there (from another poser = people plugin for bryce user)? If it is the case, it'll be interestiung to see what they say their aims are for it all, especially when considering the things that Rudy raises above.

I think daz will make bryce more compatible with poser which can only be a good thing. I am from the enemy camp, the poser forum :) It is highly unlikely that they will be merged together as the bryster mentioned and they wouldn`t be announcing it if they were just going to bury bryce (unless they really hate bryce somehow)

Lol @ xantor, despite what you may think there are a fair number of closet poser users in here...... (although I think most are on older versions, I think the hike in price when 5 came out was too much - I'd want it to autoskin the models for use in character studio for that much wedge :) )

Attached Link: http://bryce.daz3d.com/

Coldrake

Yeah Baby...Now lets hope they do something instead of doing what COREL and Meta did....

it guarentees a future for bryce(6?). the first thing they will do would be to make it compatible with their daz studio. I am sure they would want some other suggestions on how to improve it :)

Attached Link: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Products/Home&pid=1047022702299

Coldrake

I have nothing against Poser, if it sounded like that, and i dont want to be a party crasher, but this was exactly what i was afraid of: "DAZ is currently developing technology that will provide improved import capability of existing DAZ content into Bryce. This development will take place in phases until a seamless integration is achieved." Its the Integration-word i dont like, for the reasons i mentioned above.

Integration does sound scary, hope things will turn out better and we won't see Bryce 6 on a milk carton along with Duke nukem forever.

Easier import capabilities may give some of the Poser/Vue users a run for their $ though.

Tell you what, it's a good thing Drac isn't around to see this god knows what he'd do!

If the integration is aimed at Daz Studio what would the impact be??

I don't think this necessarily means that DAZ Studio and Bryce will become one program. They say that the two (and others): "...will synergize to form a powerful suite of products..." A suite of products isn't one product. I think when they say "seamless integration" they mean that export/import of DAZ items into Bryce (maybe the other way?) will be completely straightforward. I.e. none of the faffing about we have do with Poser figures at present.

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5391

Here's the official DAZ Press Release. :)

Coldrake

Well, don't panic yet folks, "further integration" could just mean file format compatibility, etc. Time will tell. Besides, the thing with competitions banning Poser relates to the pre-made 3D models. A Lightwave render with a Poser model would probably be excluded as well.

"Besides, the thing with competitions banning Poser relates to the pre-made 3D models. A Lightwave render with a Poser model would probably be excluded as well." What I find amuzing is that Daz uses LW to create the models...:))...talk about hypocritical(to those who ban Poser)

PJF & coldrake, If thats what they mean, ill be up there cheering with you, i promise, but if its a merge...well, no thanks! Sorry, but IMPO an integration would only be for the worse.

Heh, well I'm not exactly cheering. I'm delighted Bryce has a future, but I'm feeling a bit ambivalent toward DAZ nowadays. I feel their selling the same thing several times (the Victoria3 model tweaked into Mike3, Steph3 and now 'David') at full price borders on the cynical. But the Poser lot lap it up (and tend to go crazy if you mention it), so you can hardly blame DAZ entirely on that, I suppose. I just don't know what to think. I don't know how DAZ's current marketing mindset is going to translate for Bryce. I'm not by any means raving anti-DAZ, so I don't automatically see this as a negative.

...and judging by the suggestions so far in their wishlist, we have a new Poser to look forward to...

"...and judging by the suggestions so far in their wishlist, we have a new Poser to look forward to..."

Considering almost all of DAZ's clientele are Poser users it shouldn't be particularly surprising that their suggestions are Poser-centric.

At least there is a chance to revive Bryce. We just have to wait and see what actually happens.

TC

Sorry, but if DAZ wants to attract Bryce users, they will have to focus a hell of a lot harder on Bryce, not Poser. I personally dont give a shit about Poser, i want to see some REAL improvements in Bryce and not having my favourite app turning into Poser-Bryce. I was wrong about answering their invitation(taken care of now), and theres no way in hell, im supporting this. As far as im concerned, Bryce died completely today!

Of course Poser people are going to want better import, that's only natural, but if you look at the second and third pages of the thread, you'll see people asking for the the same things people here and at other forums have been asking for. Digital I, who was on the Bryce 5 beta team is going to try and dig up the list of things that weren't ready for Bryce 5, but deferred until Bryce 6. I'd give things some time before making judgments. Coldrake

hey, does this mean we won't have to texture the eyeballs with 'glass' anymore?..;)

Let me tell you guys what this means for me. I work on Bryce, and have been since my dad got me bryce 2 when I was 11 years old. Now I see this news and I'm thinking it could be good, or it could be bad. I'm fifteen years old now and if I can potentially have a CAREER in CG3D modelling and animation, then I'd want everything that needs to happen for that to happen to be perfect, and the survival (and quality) of Bryce is one of them...unless I find 3ds max buried within the floorboards of my house. Still I grew up rendering Bryce pictures, and if bryce dies forever, or worse, is lame, then I'll be angry and very disappointed. But I don't think it will be bad. This news rocks!

Bryce could be made to work with poser AND daz studio and the only difference you would see would be a few new menu items and maybe a couple of new buttons.

"I'm fifteen years old now and if I can potentially have a CAREER in CG3D modelling and animation"

No offense... but if that is your goal then move on from Bryce ASAP.

Obviously Bryce is a cool tool, but it lacks many of the features that you need to start being familiar with and Daz isn't going to change that. You need to get a handle on polygon and spline modelling, rigging and animation, not to mention the render features common in larger systems.

It's not that Bryce can't produce good images, it obviously can, but it simply doesn't have in it the concepts you need to learn.

The Maya Personal Learning Edition is a free download and while I prefer 3DS Max the Maya PLE being free makes it a great place to start.

I don't understand why some folks are so upset about this new state of affairs. If DAZ hadn't bought Bryce, Bryce was a Dodo, ie. dead, and now they have it I can't see them changing the fundimentals of what Bryce is. OK they could make changes that we don't like but if there are things we definately want to keep then the best way of going about it is by telling them, either in the forums or by emailing Steve Kondris directly. That's something you definately couldn't do with Corel. One thing DAZ seem to appreciate is that there is a strong Bryce user base and they know if they can bring us what we want we will go with it. So really I can't see them destroying our baby. Catlin

"If DAZ hadn't bought Bryce, Bryce was a Dodo, ie. dead..." This wasn't necessarily the case, Catlin. For instance, Ken Musgrave of Pandomeda (Mojoworld) was very interested in acquiring Bryce. He'd been a member of the Bryce programming team in the past, and has a demonstrated ability at releasing a viable, if niche, product. Make no mistake, Corel would have sold Bryce to somebody.

I know that PJF, but when was the last time you heard Ken say anything along those lines. Maybe he could have got hold of Bryce but he didn't and from another point of view he had been talking about integrating Bryce with Mojo, including the UI, which I definately wouldn't have liked. My only hope is that DAZ don't mangle my favourite program and I am going to keep telling them what I want to see for Bryce even if I do get a bit tiring, in the hope that they will listen to those of us who have been using this program for a while. They do try to get things right the way the Poser crowd want them, so I don't think they will change that way of doing things with us. 8) Catlin

My first thought was "Forward this to your friends and Microsoft will send you $1000", then, I thought, great, I have to figure out how to import my Bryce terrains into Beta DAZ/Studio. Then I thought, "What the hell. I'm doing okay with B5 & P4; if everything goes to hell, I'm sitting no different. But then, after the second drink, this could be the greatest or worst thing ever for Bryce. To be honest, I use Poser only to set people/creatures/posable things into Bryce. If DAZ allowed B5 to pose V3, et al and animate her within Bryce, then we may have something. Let's be positive and create a product that will have the best features of Bryce and Poser, plus all of those wishlist items we want Bryce (and Poser) to have. Hopefully those 500 new hires for the now-defunct gameTV can be put to work on this project!!! :-)

To make a version of bryce that works similar to poser/daz studio, they would have to make major changes to bryce. It would probably have to be totally rewritten and the end result would be like a whole new program, I wouldn`t hold my breath waiting on that happening.