I'm just wondering, why does it seem that the only artworks anyone talks about from Renderosity deal with Poser? I don't have any specific issues with Poser but I wonder why it seems 80%+ of the Renderosity Poser population feels compelled to sell, advertise and otherwise push on non-Poser artists their erotic, depraved, bondage wares.

I didn't join Renderosity to be spammed in the newsletters, front pages, and ads on the site of tied up virtual skanks. I don't see how it's any different than showing a real naked woman or other purile interests on this site. I'm tired of getting it pushed in my face every time I enter this site.

I want to get an idea of why this is such a boom on this site inparticular. Almost everything here seems to involve Poser in some manner. I don't see that other forms of art are being advertised or even encouraged much at all unless it's for Poser accessories or props.

I joined Renderosity when Poser was still being played with on a smaller level and the increase in it's appearance in the last few yrs on this site has been dramatic. I'm impressed with some of the images I see but alot of it seems to involve darker base imagery of tied up females than actual art... especially those items being sold on the site. I dread opening the newsletters as they seem to only involve naked females and virtual blowup dolls with bondage gear. I don't see anything of interest to other digital or traditional artists.

Does anyone else notice this trend?

i think this ste strted out as a poser Forum and went from there that might be why there is so much poser stuff here i mostly use poser and photoshop "I dread opening the newsletters as they seem to only involve naked females and virtual blowup dolls with bondage gear. " now here i'm with you hun i dont open it at all anymore IMO i think all thum nails in the news letter should have no nudes and all thumnails in the store should have no nudes as well you can sell a texture set with out haveing a nude thum nail a but thats just me lmao

Bondage, torture, S&M - it's a deeply ingrained part of the culture. Almost always with young female victims. I don't know how you are gonna escape that, because it's about as hard to avoid as other human traits, like brown hair or brown eyes. Basically it's an accepted part of the culture, despite what hypocritical public figures say in an attempt to appease various audiences. If there's any Poser community anywhere that doesn't have that stuff, I've never heard about it. So your best bet would be to avoid it. If it offends you, don't look at it. I find it repulsive, and I avoid it pretty successfully with no particular effort. Maybe they could add a torture flag, like the nudity flag. It would difficult to enforce at first, until people realized it would boost sales and views if they used it.

I've often wondered that myself..been here for awhile now, and am still wondering why some of the other apps dont get any recognition...I use Poser too...but there is more to life than that one app. Also I dont understand why everything advertised is full of nudity..here's a thought...what if all the poser users put CLOTHES on the Poser figures??!

Snickers {like thats gonna happen}

Regardless, I dont even accept the newsletter, cuz there is nothing there that really interests me..if I need something for Poser, I will go look for it..and as there is nothing but Poser related stuff in that newsletter anyways...

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Just to let you know. Any nudity in the Newsletter is blured out. Images in the MarketPlace that have nudity in the thumbnails are flagged as nude and will not be displayed if you have nudity turned off in your profile. I have been highlighting products in the newsletter that arent just Poser. This week I highlighted Cinema 4D, Vue, Photoshop and a few other products for other applications. The MarketPlace was recently redesigned to allow more exposure to other products as well by make sections for Bryce, Vue, Rhino, Lightwave, etc more visible. Clint

i think the other apps don't get as much "recognition" because, well....most of them are modelling apps, and, folks try and make alot of their own stuff. i think the very fact that poser has out of the box models and stuff draws many people who may not have the time or inclination to make their own. the very commercialism of poser seems to attract many, who, at some point may even wish to become purveyors of poser stuff themselves. in the other apps, it seems to me, folks are content to work quietly, and, not chat in the forums as much, as well.

I think you're right, Poppi. Poser is a populist 3D app, and for some reason, every app (or for that matter computer game) seems to have its own culture. Poser's is very chatty, which is mostly a nice thing. As regards the complaints, well, sex sells as we all know. I agree that the marketplace can appear pretty vulgar at times, but it's clear that sexy products sell well. 80%+ is an extreme exaggeration if you're speaking of the overall "Poser population," but it can seem that way sometimes in the marketplace. Even so, it's not necessarily the merchants of those items who are pushing them on those who don't want to see them. The administrators of the RMP are responsible for what images appear in the featured product areas, not the merchants themselves. Please correct me on this if I'm wrong, RMP folks. As Clint mentioned if you choose to surf the non-Poser MP areas, you'll see a lot less lingerie, bondage items, and anime girls with their skirts blowing upwards. I'm not sure what to say to Poser shoppers who don't want to see that stuff except "be prepared." :-)

' ... their erotic, depraved, bondage wares... '

Whew! Glad I'm not one of them folks who do that! snicker

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I was beginning to think it was just me who was offended. I think this was a can of worms that needed opening or reopening.

'I think this was a can of worms that needed opening or reopening.' ... and then closing and burying and then burying the shovel! lol :)

"I joined Renderosity when Poser was still being played with on a smaller level and the increase in it's appearance in the last few yrs on this site has been dramatic."

That's interesting because Renderosity began as a Poser site. Set your nudity filter and opt out of the newsletters. Poser is simply more popular. Info and artwork for other apps are here, promote your interest more in your gallery and the appropriate forum, encourage contests and such.

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'poser users put CLOTHES on the Poser figures'
You can put clothes on the figures? Damn, a whole new avenue of imagery for me to try :)
I think a lot of people use Poser for their own mastubatory fantasies. Also a sexy lingerie image is probably the easiest to do.
'Bondage, torture, S&M - it's a deeply ingrained part of the culture'
Do you mean the Poser/3D culture or society in general?

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This is really rather exaggerated. "80%+ of the Renderosity Poser population feels compelled to sell, advertise and otherwise push on non-Poser artists their erotic, depraved, bondage wares" 80% of the Poser population? Come on! We are talking about half a dozen vendors. Since posting pictures of torture etc is not permitted in the galleries, you can only see them in the RMP, and since that is mostly for Poser products, if you don't much care about Poser, then stay in the galleries and forums you do care about. Even in the RMP the worst you'll see is a little thumbnail. I don't think this is a balanced or well-thought-out complaint.

Well in the newsletters, it appears that a great majority of the population using poser here IS into purile endeavors especially when all the newsletters seem to advertise that kind of stuff each week.

Then there's the ads on Renderosity itself. Most tend to show scantily clad females and males.

I don't go looking for these things... I just noticed them lately when I started to come back here to post some images.
I know I may be exaggerating a bit... it just seems to be the overall feel of Renderosity right now that Poser is the number 1 program and nothing else seems to get much advertising on the newsletters (and I mean imagery wise.) Plenty of text but you don't notice text when you're on a site with alot of pics... you see the pics first and if all the pics appear to be poser, naked, scantily clad or otherwise purile looking femmes and males... your impression is skewed a bit.

I just wanted to see if anyone else noticed this. I'm not trying to start a fight. I apologize for stepping on anyone's feet.

Renderosity started out as a Poser site. So it's not surprising that Poser continues to dominate (!) the culture around here.

It would be somewhat surprising if Lightwave became the main topic of conversation.

Were that to happen, then this site would no longer be the site that it is.

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It would be somewhat surprising if Lightwave became the main topic of conversation wow...what a wonderful thought :*)

Even though many of us have and use several pieces of software, poser is what sells. It seems that it is the hobbiest choice. And that is the vast majority of the customer base. Its akin to ads aimed at teenagers, why because they are a large target audience of ads. For example, I have on my system, solidworks, Poser 4, Poser 5, Vue, Carrara, Bryce, Paintshop, and Deep Exploration. I have these setup so I can seamlessly move objects back and forth from platform to platform. While I build things in Carrara and Solidworks, they end up in Poser or Vue for rendering. I am one that argued for a overall What's new catagory, because I didn't want to look through each and every sub-catagory to see what the latest is. Even then, I am only a merchant for Poser. I use the other pieces of software for creation of Poser items, or in creating graphics for ads for my day job. Yes, I do have one of those. I do think that R'osity has done a fair and good job at trying to limit exposure in the ads and thumbnails. While there can always be improvements on the system, they do try to accomodate all parties involved. I have been changing ads and promo pics, using bodysuits where appropriate. In fact, I have free body suits for the majority of DAZ characters on my homepage here at R'osity. Sort of my gift to others, including merchants. So now I use body suits when showing the poses. The problem I get into on the other avenue is that I make lace transmaps, usually lingerie. So how do I advertise them. Lately, I have been turning down the transparency settings, for the ads, etc. But, the promo pics are usually at a full setting. one merchant who is trying to mix 'sex sells' with responsible advertising.

I thought renderosity was actually very restrained in what is allowed, and as a recent purchaser of Poser 5 assumed this site was primarily for Poser users. Having limited talent in modelling clothes my scenes are limited to what freebies I can grab. Since the figures start naked (gasp) it is often easier to do a beach scene or something rather than try to get 8 or so conforming clothes and props correctly loaded and parented. Then spend hours with magnets trying to patch the poke through when you pose the figure. As to "masturbatory practices" ? you create the scenes using mouse and keyboard (two hands ) so how ???? A site that has really disturbing stuff - like has this guy seen a shrink lately - is Renderotica. (I hope I can give the site name without getting banned) but at least they have a great filter system on the gallery. When viewing the store your on your own. (whips,chains, tentacles OH MY !) Poser probably reflects the fact that "adult web sites" are a very significant part of the web, and publications like Penthouse and Playboy are stocked practically everywhere but according to polls are never purchased. There seem to be plenty of sites that cater to every piece of software I have heard of. I do agree that a version of Poser and site that would cater to younger teenagers would be a good idea. I do not see it happening though unless as a subset of an 'adult' site. regards

That's really the truth of the matter too - Poser is where all the action is for merchant and user alike. It always seems like such a dirty little secret but sex does sell and by a very wide margin too. You may not be remiss in wanting to tar and feather the merchants for being purveyors of these 'erotic, depraved, bondage wares' but you will be treating a large number of Renderosity members as second class citizens for their interests at the same time.

I've said it time and time again - Renderosity is a mixed community with a diverse membership that represents a wide variety of interests. To each his/her own seems like the best course of action to follow.

I agree with markshum too about the "masturbatory practices" when working on your Poser renders - it makes such a mess and your mouse and keyboard just don't ever work the same!

Hmmm, interesting, the site seems to have lost many of it's poser radicals. I agree compleatly with this thread. In fact when I stated this same sentament a few monthes back in the OT it turned into a mud slinging witch hunt: with me as the witch, the thread locked, and thretened with a 7 day suspention. This site has changed drasticly in just a few monthes. But it is still primaraly a poser site, with all other programs taking a back seat or playing a suporting role to it.

I myself would like to find a program kind of like Poser for my kids..they love doing graphics, but they dont care to look at certain things...so they have to wait, or use Vue obj's..

Lol, this is too funny. A "too much poser" complaint... refering to a site that began as the Poserforum Online.... now that's just searching for something to bitch about there.

I'm not looking for something to "bitch" on as you say. I don't recall this site being so "poser" entrenched when I joined. I must have joined at a time Poser was not as well advertised for a while. Alot of the artwork was inclined to other mediums at the time because there was still alot of 3D but most of it was objects and scenes but not alot of poser. I hadn't been here in a while and it seemed as if the whole Poser scene had started up in earnest with an overkill is all. I had no idea this place was a "poser" paradise on the web. Anyhow... thanks everyone for the comments.

Lesha, Take a look at the About Us page... "HISTORY Renderosity has been an online community since December 1998. Its original name PoserForum.com was changed to Renderosity in October 1999. The name Renderosity was created and voted upon by the online community of artists. As the digital graphic arts industry grew worldwide, there became a need for a medium of communication that could link this diverse, international group. Renderosity has filled that need. Today, Renderosity is the largest online community for graphic artists. For a closer look at our growth and Milestones, click here." http://www.renderosity.com/index.ez?viewLink=319 Milestones: http://www.renderosity.com/index.ez?viewLink=331 This should help you out. Clint

This is not in any way aimed at Lesha.. Why is it that so many people seem to have such a downer on Poser? I love the program. I can make great images(well I like 'em) There's the 'oh, professionals don't use it'..So? Wake up folks..most of us will never be anything other than hobbyists( ugly word) or amateurs and that's ok, in fact that's fine. As long as we enjoy creating images I say phooey...yes you heard..phooey I say to any who criticise or sneer. Not all of us can afford Maya.

I have nothing against poser... I said that already. I just don't like the "adult" element that seems to permeate this site at times. That's what I was complaining about. When they advertise poser it seems as if most of it is "adult" oriented when I visit the site or read the newsletters. I've played a few times with poser myself. I liked it but it's not something I seriously into. I never said anything about it being unprofessional or otherwise "lesser" than the other types of artwork on this site. I just find the purile interest on this site coming out in an ugly way lately is all. End of subject... thanks again for all your feedback. I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes. I appreciate everyone's input. :) extends the peace pipe, white dove and olive branch :D