Howdy! I'm looking for a few tips and hints on how to generate cartoonish/anime-type images using Poser (P4/PP --as if the title didn't convey that already)??? I can't seem to get a satisfactory image. (Think Sinsister like....for a reference) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanx heaps! --Chicane

That's a pretty broad category: cartoonish stuff could be done with the Sketch render function, while anime is more built around the kinds of things one can find at Posermania. Can you narrow the request down a little?

Do a cartoon-with-line render, export as tiff, then touch it up in APS/PSP to remove the jagged edges between colors, and redraw the lines until they look o.k.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/tut.ez?Form.ViewPages=319

Ah, I was out getting the link to SS's fantastic tut, you beat me to it, karen1573 :)

Here's a teeny gif I made using the Z-Toon method:

And a link to my gallery image with this character. No postwork was involved at all. Celes.

Mateo_sancarlos, if you antialias the document before saving it, there are no jagged edges :o). Yes you can do that on a cartoon-with-lines render.

Thanks for the tips!

Attached Link: cell test windows media

Erny, I'm not talking about jaggies or small-scale anti-aliasing. I'm talking about the tendency of cartoon-with-line to follow the edges of polygons when calculating the shading of adjacent polygons. It's totally unsmooth, not very evident in wolf's image above, but it's very apparent in other renders, a very large-scale effect, particularly bad in areas where the model has few polygons. The other problem of cartoon-with-line is that the lines along the edges of the figure are very weak, or even non-existent, in a way that's impossible to control. Poser 5 allows some control over that, but it's still not up to professional standards, and the shader nodes you need to control it are too complex for many to use.

it all depend the style you want. comics, cartoon, sketch/handdrawn, painted, anime/manga ? there are various base methods and ways to merge some of them or postwork through layer compositing (very basic, available for beginners) so please can you be more precise at the kind of look you are aiming for ? show us examples that inspired you and your needs

Riddokun: I wish there was something more specific to narrow down my question. I'm not looking for one particular style......more an amalgamation. I was looking for a way to do a majority of the image work in Poser rather than Photoshop, but that's not necessarily a hard&fast ideology. :) There are styles that interest me that I'd like to be able to at least make an effort to emulate. Some examples: Peter Chung (Aeon Flux), on this site Sinsister has done beautiful work, and there's people like Dorian Cleavenger & Rick Berry. I know that this is a mix of mediums but it's as close to narrowing the field as I can get (forgive the inability to articulate/communicate my question any better).

Well, unless you use Poser 5 and its complex and versatile "Material room" that allow many effects to be combined and achieve many different looks and styles, you will obviously have to use some kind of postwork (even simple basic layer compositing). If you are on P4 and PP the Cartoon modes (/w line and without) offer a very basic (and flawed, often) but quick alternative, so you keep it all within poser, but you have no ways to set or tune it at all, except by playing with lights (and lights under cartoon mode is just a world on its own compared to all that you could already have learned abotu lighting in poser :) trial and error. Sketch mode is heavily customisable with many options but it requires also a high learning curve to handle ti and bend it to the fittest of your need for both methods, also, you won't have any good result within poser if you keep yourself with preview mode size. you'll ahve to use the 1 frmae animation trick to rise the resolution first, would you then scale it back using a correc batch software to do that. after that, most preview modes can be used in combination in a basic layer compositing (watch my lame tutorials for that). All my pictures (tooned ones i mean) are basically just different previewmodes renders of same scene using very minor tweaking, and then merged togethers as layers. oki it is said bldly, well i work a bit much like that, but the basic idea is the same, even if i spend more time and try to improve it, you can achive very good results with only a small bunch of layers and very low skills (i ma a beginner, myself) i dunno the arttists you mentionned.. could you link me to samples of their art so i can see ?

For a beginner you seem to know a great deal.... knowledge is power, eh?! :)=) I'll keep a bit of that in mind, thanx. As for the artist mentioned, here's some helpful links (and remember these are mixed mediums -digital, ink, paint...): Sinsiter- http://www.hextasy.com/ or http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=sinsister David Ho- http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=davidho Dorian Cleavenger- http://www.dorianart.com/ Rick Berry- http://www.braid.com/ Peter Chung- just punch in Aeon Flux on any search engine. --Thanx!