I must be doing something wrong somewhere. All I seem to hear about is this Poser-Daz-Turbo thingy, that's supposed to make it easy to move poser figures into Bryce. I don't get it! If you pose your character right and apply the textures correctly, export as a wavefront obj with all the right parts attached you simply can't go wrong. OK so occasionaly I have to go back into Poser to correct a minor detail, usually I've forgotten some little thing or Bryce asks me to find a texture, but this for me isn't a problem..... My question is.....what's the big deal here?

its not a big deal we want a faster renderer.

I heard that Daz has found a way to speed Bryce up real fast.......

That has got me curious!

All depends on what you want to render. Bring in a poser figure for a close up portraiture, and it's all wrong. Some of the textures and transparencies just don't map correctly, not to mention the generic names it gives to each body part. I know it won't happen soon, but I would love character posing in Bryce. It's just too cludgy to have to jump back and forth to pose figures, for example if you want intricate hand detail.

Yeah Bryster... I feel like you about it. I am a PC member at DAZ so it only cost me $1.99, so I picked it up out of curiosity. I prefer to do it just as you stated. Seems to be much better that way.

The plugin is just a quick initial step for DAZ. Like Grouper, it is meant to speed up your setup time for a Poser figure in Bryce, which all Poser figures in Bryce need their textures re-worked. The Turbo plugin (beta) will get better. The true solution will be when they are able to have Bryce(6?), directly import Poser figures and scenes. Yes, DAZ has stated they have figured out a way to speed up Bryce's rendering engine, "and, not just a little", is what they have said. I'm hoping that will eventually equate to say, a 25% increase in overall rendering speed, we'll see. That would be a nice increase. (especially for a raytracing renderer) AgentSmith

I hope that rendering speed does not come at the expense of the render quality. The last thing we need is Poser renders out of Bryce.

I am still working the normal way, have never had too much problem with poser to bryce..I don't even use grouper. Just attack it in my own muddleheaded way.

The true solution will be when you can repose a Poser figure inside of Bryce directly. The ideal work pattern would be: 1) Open Poser. Create figure; conform clothing to figure. Set initial pose, save. 2) Open Bryce. Import figure. Texture figure. THEN adjust pose and render as often as required. The important thing is having a sensible approach to textures. The great advantage of having Grouper is that everything that takes one texture is one mesh (and with a sensible name as well). In Poser, material zones are getting out of control. One new clothing item I've seen has 100 material zones! Imagine trying to recolour that in Poser 4. MAT files are a kludge, they're not a real solution.

Part of the problem is that I don't always want all the things that have the same texture in Poser to have the same texture in Bryce or C4D. Also some times you don't want both doors on your car model as one mesh. (Very hard to open!). I can understand your 100 zones issue though.

You don't need Grouper to get 1 mesh per texture. If you export as a wavefront obj and don't change the defaults, it will save one mesh per texture (at least this works with my copy of Poser 4 and Bryce 5).

If you don't want to go through D|S, I have written an OBJ Exporter that can create files with proper transparency maps directly from Poser. It still requires Turbo Importer, though.

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5680
http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1833265

Message edited on: 07/01/2004 07:44

"If you export as a wavefront obj and don't change the defaults, it will save one mesh per texture" Not reliably. For instance, with Vicky you will get separate meshes for the inner mouth parts even though they share the same texture as the skin_body. I can't remember all the problems I encountered because it's so long since I DIDN'T use Grouper.

Most likely because you are going to (usually) have WAY different specularity setting for all the parts of the (wet) inner mouth that you would the skin. But, then again, if my figure's mouth is closed, I just delete all those inner parts anyway. AS

"Not reliably. For instance, with Vicky you will get separate meshes for the inner mouth parts even though they share the same texture as the skin_body." Phantast: Yes, that's true of even the Poser 4 dork and Posette, but I believe that may be because of the different settings for reflectivity and specularity, etc. for the individual parts. Parts that have ALL the same settings in Poser come out as one single mesh (for example, the skin is a single mesh, but the eye whites, even though they share the same texture as the skin, are a single inseparable mesh; that is, you can't select an eye white singley. The pupils are also a single mesh, and the irises are as well. I haven't seen this vary, but hey, anything can happen with software, lol.

Crosspost. :^) Took me a lot more words to say it, LOL.

But actually, often you don't need these variations at all. Many of the parts that might have slightly varied material settings in Poser are such that for most routine work, you simply won't notice the difference in Bryce (unless it's an extreme close-up). So for a standard P4 figure I will reduce everything to skin, lashes and whatever I need for the hair and clothes. With one hair texture and one garment, that would be a total of only four meshes to worry about. With Vicky it goes up to six (two skin textures plus the eyeballs). With Vicky 3 add in the separate teeth-gums texture. I MIGHT change the settings for the lips and fingernails, but only if the difference will be noticeable, which it usually isn't.

One of the real problems with Bryce, something that slows it way down, IMHO, is that even when your textures are jpg's, it converts them internally to .bmp format - and those files are HUGE - incredible memory hogs. You get a couple poser figures into Bryce, and if their body & head textures are big to begin with, the Bryce file size, and slowdown in processing, increase exponentially. I sure as hell hope DAZ fixes this and restructures it so Bryce can use jpg's without that darn internal conversion to .bmp.

Now we're getting WAY too technical!!!!!!

Not at all, Bryce using picture textures uncompressed, thus BLOATING the scene file is one of my pet peeves! AS

I note also that in B4, texture maps over a certain size would crash Bryce if you copied them into the middle box. This does not happen in B5. One of many undocumented little improvements.

Using the color yellow in lights or textures slows the renderer down...dont' ask me why but If a render takes 20 min with a yellow texture, and I go in and change it to red, it only takes two. Go fig

How weird - I must try that.