Thought I would share this little mystery, just in case anyone else runs into it. I am using Poser Pro and the prop in question used a called object from the geometry folder. Here is the bit of mystery. I could not get the prop to save to the Prop library. I got an empty file instead. I could save it okay as a pz3 and it loaded fine. I could smart prop it to a figure and save it as a cr2 and it loaded fine. I could not save it to the prop library, even after checking the path, resaving the file to a new name, and everything else I tried. Then I happened to notice that I had a mag1 dial. This no doubt was left over from one of the morphs I had made that did not clear out proper. So, I took the cr2 I had with the prop parented to my figure and using Cr2Builder I deleted the leftover mag1 reference. Now, either that or the fact that I saved it from Cr2Builder did the trick - I am thinking getting rid of the mag1 ref was the solution since I had already tried saving it from cr2builder and morphmanger already - thinking that alone might fix the prob. Anyhow, still not one hundred percent sure what caused this or what fixed it, other than what I mentioned. Thought if this happened to someone else, maybe my little mystery here might help them solve theirs. :O)

Sorry, I couldn't resist the title :) Definitely one to remember, thanks. This has happened to me before, but I ended up giving up. Too bad I can't remember which items they were now, and go back to them...

LOL! good one. Yes, well I am also secretly - er, well not so secretly - hoping that I can find others who have had this happen as well, and what - if anything - they did to fix it. Maybe then I can figure out what actually did happen, and what I might have accidentally done to fix it. :O)

I and several other people have been having a different but similar problem in saving smart propped items to the library -- in my case, I use various wave deformers and sometimes get that weird "leftover" item -- annoys the heck out of me...

Yes, annoying. Poser is bad about dublicating the deformer dials and sometimes not removing all instances. Are you just getting the left over dial and still able to save the prop, or is the prop not saving either?

both, actually -- which is what's making it so damned difficult to track down as an issue so I can solve it overall. And on occasion I'm getting no dial, but still have a reference that comes up on it. CR2Builder is pretty nice overall -- I'l have to try fiddling with it to make it work.

Okay, thanks. If you ever do hit on a solution, let us know. I will do the same. Yes, Cr2Builder is handy. I do not really know how to use all the features, but even just for editing cr2 needing channels deleted, moved about, etc., it is a real time saver.