I've bought a lotta stuff from DAZ and have almost always been happy with it. Much of the clothing (not just the cat suit) I've bought for The Girl is almost unusable unless all you do is stills and can tweak every frame. I'm using P5 sr4. I know they 'don't support P5'. I won't do the 'run it through this app and edit that file' routine. Had I known that was a requirement I wouldn't have bought the stuff in the first place. Am I being too demanding? I emailed them asking what I need to do for a refund, but, then again, maybe that's not fair of me to expect. After all, they 'don't support P5'. What do you guys think? Should I press for a refund or should I just let it go?

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Thats a good point but a lesson you just have to learn. Buyers Beware. Let it go.

Tunesy, It's not a matter of "pressing" for a refund. DAZ offers a 30 day unconditional money back guarantee. If you don't want the items you purchased just let them know.

Daz did say that they won't support P5. They told you up front. It's black and white. Nothing misleading about it. So go get your refund. They'll be happy to do that. JV

what exactly is the problem with the clothes? I use poser 5 and never have problems with daz stuff. Love esther

JCMs don't trigger. They depend on crosstalk, and DAZ clothing is not coded properly to trigger it in P5.

JCMs don't trigger. They depend on crosstalk, and DAZ clothing is not coded properly to trigger it in P5. I might be wrong here, but it's my understanding that P5 won't allow crosstalk at all, so that there is no way to trigger it in P5. Is that correct?

Is there a way? -WTB watching thread

Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=6920&start=36

The figure number and the line that shows what bodypart to look in (in this case, BODY:1) needs to be different than the number of the figure itself. (When Poser saves a file, it puts a : and a number after each body part listed.) That will tell P5 that the dial is not in the figure itself and to look outside. At that point, as near as I can tell, the code screams "Ah, mommy, I'm all alone!" and latches onto the first dial it finds with that name.

I did some experiments one night and posted about the results in a thread at the DAZ forum. Unfortunately, it's not very reliable in P5. Because the code grabs the first dial it finds instead of going to the figure listed, it will sometimes latch onto another conformed clothing figure. If that happens, the JCMs still won't trigger because a conformed items dials are zero.

Hit send a little too fast. ;) Thinking about it a bit and given that triggered crosstalk isn't very reliable in P5, I guess I can't fault DAZ too much for their coding. Their clothing figures are set up so that the control code is told to look within the clothing item itself. This at least works with the parent-and-pose technique in P5, and you don't have to worry about losing control of your morphs.

So it appears there is no guarantee that, even if you do tweak the code, that it won't work anyway ... in that case, it's more a P5 issue, unfortunately. Thanks for the clarification, though, I will certainly give it a try! (crossposted ... looks like we came to the same conclusion! LOL)

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what exactly is the problem with the clothes?

Really ugly poke-through. Even some P4 users are reporting problems. There are several threads about it at DAZ.

I don't know if they rushed the Girl stuff (particularly the catsuit) and didn't check it enough, or if it's just the way the Girl is designed, but people seem to be having a lot more trouble with her clothes than with other DAZ figures.

There are quite a number of threads with what looks like a workable fix over at Daz. I guess what it all comes down to,, is do you really like Girl, and would you want her, if the clothing issue was addressed? Are you willing to take the time it would need to fix the clothing you have (It looks like a simple 10 minute text editor fix.) If you like the character, and like her, then keep her and do the fix yourself. (or wait for daz to create an update) I love girl's expressions, and though I have some proportion issues I'm not fond of, she's easily become my favorite female poser figure. My current Favs in Order: Girl Neftoon Gal Various Koshini flavors (K1, K2, Krystal, and of course all include the Capsces morph enhanced versions)

Ok. Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll do the refund thing on the clothing packs for now and buy em again if they if they decide to fix em for P5.

The fixes sound very easy to do. Check out the Daz forums for the fix (either the commons or nuts n bolts) She won't do ya a whole lotta good naked, and some of her clothing items are just too cool to loose the initial discount on.

I'll wait for them to fix em. There are too many items in Poser that require special attention to work properly as it is. It drives me nuts to come back to an item a month after I bought it and say to myself, "Hmm. Now what exactly did I have to do to make this work right?" I'm not terribly concerned about saving the ten bucks or whatever it might be.

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I know how that is. I'm always just totally greatful that so many of us in the poser communities dig into this stuff, and come up with fixes n such in unbelievable time. Some people have had luck with clothes converter converting other clothing items over to Girl, so maybe that would be worth a looksee?

On a more positive note about recent daz stuff I just love the International Beauties pack. Best sixty bucks I ever spent for Poser. I'm surprised we don't see much mention of it in this forum. The textures look great on The Girl, too.

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I don't know whaT TheY Are fixing but The Girl and her Bundle are all updated and reposted fresh in my account. Daz may have said they don't support P5 but some of the designers for Daz do and some of the mods in the forums will get you over P5 problems. Emily

Yea. I have all the updates. Didn't help much. Thanks, though.

Then what the heck did they supposedly fix!!!???

Evidently, for the Girl Accessory Bundle they added some full body morphs, as well as some MAT pose issues and, as it is phrased, "a slight joint issue" (not sure what that is). The Girl had some fixes done to the V3 UV Mapped Girl in the eyes area, and a scaling issue with her left leg.

I shouldn't mention this, but I will... This isn't a GIRL issue, it is a JCM conforming clothing issue, and the Girl clothing set I sell at DAZ (and probaly most of the other brokered Girl sets) is set up as "non :1" for the clothing's figure and ":1" for the JCM operator, so it should work O.K. in Poser 5, as well as any clothing with JCM does in P5, anyway. ;-)

Hi, Jim. I bought Ingenue Vickie recently. It's wonderful! Excellent job.

No offense, but I (and probably all of us)have been in the middle of many hardware/software issues where party A says party B causes the problem and party B says party A causes the problem and the end user is left sitting there with a blank look on their face. At the end of the day the only thing that matters to the end user is whether a product works properly. By the way. I don't even know which clothing pack is yours. Maybe yours works fine with P5 sr4 :)

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Jim's is the only one for the Girl with his name on it--It's in my cart-- I've never had any probs with Jim's products. Emily

Oh, let me quickly take back what I said above - I just checked the copy of my set that DAZ distributes, and unlike what I submitted, all the clothing is set so everything is Figure 1, and :1, including the FBM and JCM links. So it will not work correctly in Poser 5 except using the "apply a matching pose to the clothing" trick. However, after thinking about it, I do have a fix for Poser 5 owners who have a working copy of Poser 4 or ProPack - open the Girl (she MUST be the first figure opened after starting Poser, no little man either- open and conform the clothing (it must be conformed, else the JCM goes away) and resave the CR2, then copy the CR2 to Poser 4 (it lives in Libraries/character/Girl Resorts (or whatever)). I tested this and it works (it should work with ANY DAZ clothing set, BTW) Sorry I mis-spoke! ;-) And thanks, Emily!

That line should read "copy the new CR2 to Poser 5", DUH!

Jim, Does this fix mean you can still use the cr2's in P5 but just store them in P4? Cool idea, if so! And-- did Daz change your set-up efore they posted it??? Em

Doh. I just bought it, too. After just returning two other clothing packs for The Girl. lol. Well. I've wasted enough time on this. No more Girl stuff for me ;)

Why did daz change your product anyway, Jim? Was the change they made an improvement some how? I hope they're not doing that kind of thing solely to push people away from P5. That kind of business tactic would certainly alienate me from daz.

queri- You have to correct them by either manually editing them or having P4/PP fix them (as above), the "corrected" CR2 will than work in any version. Yep, DAZ did, unknown to me until I checked today. Why did they do it? I guess it is their "standard", I'm absolutely sure it isn't intended to push people from P5, though. Maybe they just don't really understand P5, I know I don't... ;-)

I've run a very successful business with about 40 people for 20 years. I guarantee you "they understand" what they're doing.

Hang on a minute! Perhaps I am a little slow on the uptake here. I brough Poser 5 because it was the latest version of Poser, it seemed silly to get 4 when logic says that everyone would be creating for the latest. I knew that Daz did not issue Poser 5 specific stuff (dynamic hair etc - but they did do some Hmann dynamic clothes didn't they?)but I assumed that their stuff was compatible - logic again. Where does it say on Daz pages that they are not? Most everything I have brought has worked fine in P5. I had also noted the poke through on the GIRLs 'the dress' around the boobs, and the fact that the boot texture do not work well (the lace holes remain visible up her legs when you apply the show mats) but I did not realise it was because I was using the latest edition of the software that Daz creates content for! Am I going mad or are they?

I agree with you, elgyfu. I'm not too impressed with daz methods any more. I will avoid them in the future.