Ah, I knew it!

I had a feeling that there would almost certainly be some talk of the nipples ;-)

God, you can't get away with anything in this place. OK, they're a bit pointy I must admit, but maybe PJF was right, maybe she's in a cool environment!

Nah, the truth of the matter is that they're intentionally large and pointed, I intended to tone 'em down a bit before I rendered, but I forgot. I was'nt going to go through a long render again, just to reduce the size of the nipples.

Just in case you're wondering why they look like that:

I always use that same mesh, when I'm testing SKIN-BASE. And believe it or not, the nipple area is a very good part of the mesh to examine SKIN-BASE up-close in a technical manner. It's because that part of the mesh is dense, and concentrates light evenly in the centre of a large smooth surrounding. Of course, now you're wondering what the hell I'm going on about, but rest assured, when you see the leap of progress I made last night with SKIN-BASE, you'll know EXACTLY what I mean.

Last night, I managed to get VERY close to what I want out of SKIN-BASE. I'm talking SKIN-OVER-BLOOD simulation in a single material!

The INCOMPLETE SKIN-BASE material shown above, is in comparison, very sub-standard to what I have now. I never should have posted a SKIN-BASE demonstration in that basic state, so I would suggest to anyone "ignore it".

The above images were supposed to be my final ones before I release PRO-RENDER, but, I'll do one more to show what SKIN-BASE was intended to do, (SKIN-OVER-BLOOD simulation).

I've NEVER been so plased with anything I've ever created, than what I came up with last night. If you're intending to use figures in PRO-RENDER-EXTREME, then you're gonna love what I've done. If people are not impressed with my next image, then as far as I'm concerned, there's no pleasing them, and I couldn't care less of their opinion.
We shall see...

No matter what, I AM EXTATIC!!! 8-))

I'll get a render done in the next couple of days!

Len.

ll be looking forward to your render of extacy ;)

Gets a chair, popcorn and beer, and waits for the big show!!

Now if you've actually got a real life like flesh for Bryce I'd be most interested. It's one of the things that is very hard to do in Bryce and since I've been using more and more Poser models in Bryce I would love to be able to make them look that bit more realistic, ie. human. 8) Catlin

Normally, a figure's skin colour is defined by using a texture map. This gives you control over the colour of the skin, but what it does NOT do, is give you a virtual simulation of skin/environment interaction. The best way to describe the difference between a texture map and SKIN-BASE would be: LIFELESS and LIFE!

So, if texture maps are not to be used to define skin colour, what is?

Well, you will have four major virtual parameters to do this:

1: SKIN COLOUR
2: BLOOD COLOUR
3: SKIN THICKNESS
4: BLOOD THICKNESS

...I did say that this is SKIN-OVER-BLOOD simulation ;-)

So, what about things like tattoos, lip colour and makeup?

These can be done with combination maps. These maps however, will look quite different to what you would have to produce for a standard map. Guidelines of how to create such maps will be given in the SKIN-BASE user manual (they're no harder than standard maps, just different).

Also, combination maps can be used to define wrinkles and blemishes etc, and the result is that SKIN-BASE will, by it's very nature, automatically generate the colouring effect of tight, loose, smooth, and creased skin. In short, you supply the detail, and SKIN-BASE will do the rest! There will no longer be any need to PAINT this effect onto texture maps!

Skin thickness can be controlled by a texture map. This is just as well really, because in real life, skin thickness varies greatly from head to toe. For example, compare the VERY thin skin of your lips, to the thikness of the skin on the bottom of your feet. Whether you just want to capture that GLOW you get when skin is backlit, or you want eyelids and lips that look ALIVE, it's possible using SKIN-BASE. It doesn't matter what you want from the skin, you ought to be able to simulate it with SKIN-BASE and a bit of practice.

Please know that the above image demonstrates SKIN-BASE without using any maps whatsoever, and as such, it's not a demonstration of SKIN-BASE's true potential. The skin you see above is a demonstration of SKIN-BASE in a VERY basic state.

There will be many -skin type- presets included in the package. For example, the skin type above shows what will eventually become the base pigmentation for a redhead. Imagine some long curly locks of ginger hair draping over that body, and you'll understand what I'm getting at regarding skin types and pigmentation. A redhead usually has thinner skin than say a brunette, and this is why her body looks pinkish, her skin is quite thin, so the underlying effect of blood is more visible.

I hope you like what you see.

Len.

Message edited on: 08/05/2004 14:25

well thats neat, do I need Bryce to run it?

I think I've probably said this before Len but you are a big tease. You get us all worked up with little hint's as to what is possible and then leave us with strained nerves waiting for the product to arrive. I think from now on I'll put you in the catagory of naughty boy, along with a few others in this very forum...........and you all know who you are........Bryster 8P Got to say it's looking very good so far. Now you really must get it out soon so us grubby kids can get our hands on it to play for a while. 8) Catlin

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VAPORWARE: A sarcastic term used to designate software and hardware products that have been announced and advertised but are not yet available.

WIP: A "Work In Progress", a practice often used in forums.

pumeco no offense but you keep posting what it will do but not what it is and it is driving me crazy! I believe there is plenty of intrest how about some specifics?

How do you add a sphere to a scene? Only kidding. I'm a Bryce newbie and this is all over my head but I spend some time reading all 163 posts. The image of the poser woman standing next to a stone wall floored me. I'll shut up now.

Message edited on: 08/05/2004 22:47

Hello harlann welcome to the forum. Don't worry about things flying over your head it happens all the time even to those of us who should know better. Enjoy your reading and go pester pumeco to give us ProRender soon. 8) Sorry Len I can't help muyself. 8) Catlin

• "...go pester pumeco to give us ProRender soon." -thanks Cat, I love you, I just LOVE you ;-) harlann, Like Cat said, welcome to the forum. Also, if you thought that woman next to the stone wall was good, go and check-out an image called "my sister's mate's bike", or something like that title. Just type PJF into SEARCH and you'll find it among his writings, it's amazing! Vile, No offense taken, I'm just very on-edge these days, and I'm a "naughty boy". I know for a fact that I've gone over the top on more than one occassion when I'm trying to defend PRO-RENDER. Just take no notice of me, as I'm sure many will tell you ;-) experimental, Yes, you will need Bryce 5 to run PR,PRX,SB or HB. Len.

BTW... Putting this out where a couple of us could test it would speed up debugging. The concepts behind this "program" are cool, but some things need testing such as interface and reliability. Putting out a few betas couldn't hurt, even if the final product isn't ready. They would definitely help refine the end product. A couple good examples that I know of are OpenSource programs such as Mozilla and Wings3D. There's a lot of work done in finding bugs, but it's distributed over many people so they're discovered quickly. That information ends up being used to make the end product that much better.

Well hey! I'M amazed. And if that's the results you get with just a simple one color texture...whoa. Just imagine...my goodness! I am seriously hyped up about this. Most awesome work Pumeco!

pauljs75, Thanks for your comments and suggestion, but, it's not a program. You've missed something somewhere :-) Mrdodobird, QUOTE: ...And if that's the results you get with just a simple one color texture... No no no, that's the results you get with NO texture whatsoever. The colouring in post 156 is generated automatically by the method SKIN-BASE uses. Of course you'll be able to use maps though, to control skin thickness, add tattoos, freckles, makeup etc. The image you see, doesn't show any of these refinements. The final product will produce much better results. I'm glad you like it so far, personally I just wan't to play around with it and create some renders, but I don't have the time. August is here, and I'm still working to get PRO-RENDER out in time. PS: I like your gallery lot's! The attention to detail is superb, as is your lighting technique. Looking at your gallery, I really don't think you're gonna get much out of PRO-RENDER, you know it already! Still, there might be something in there for you. In fact, that goes for many members here. Looking at the galleries, I know that many will be disappointed with PRO-RENDER when it finally get's out there. I hope not though, because I will say to these members (and you all know who you are), just look upon PRO-RENDER as a sort of "in-one" knowledge base, there might be just SOMETHING in there for you. Len.

COURTESY POST: This is not a technical post, more a polite notice really. I've decided to make this my last post because I've decided to drop PRO-RENDER, and thought you should know about this. ...only joking ;-) Actually, this is just to say that I won't be logging-on for a while. I'm aware that I have'nt replied to all questions, private messages, and emails. To those unanswered, please don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just getting a little behind. Which brings me to the point of this post, I want to get PRO-RENDER out in time. Every PRO-RENDER thread seems to have gone strangely quiet since my post of skin-over-blood simulation, so this is the perfect time for me to make this post. Len.

OOOoh, dangerous game you're playing there. I nearly released the dracs er... I mean the dogs on you.

That's ok Len, less talking, more action, is usually a good thing, and if it gets PR to us all quicker then there's no problem at all. 8)

Hey, I just got back from a 10 day tour with my orchestara. Did I miss the release of prorender or is it still not out there yet?

Nope, we're still waiting. (Unless I missed it too)

And... Still waiting... sigh

It's still August...

.............not any more.............8P

Heh, and you managed to wait twenty four hours before pointing that out. Your restraint is admirable. ;-) Actually, I have no clue as to whether PRO-RENDER is coming out or not. It's been a sort of mixed message. Len said to watch out for it soon, but then got pissed off and said something was the last straw. Buggered if I know. ;-)

Oh I've just been ill again PJF and being a wee bit slow, not up to my usual lightening strikes of information. Anyway the last I read he was going to be quiet for a while so he could get everything just right for the release, so hopefully that's where he is, slaving over a hot computer. lol 8) Catlin

last straw? what did I miss? did someone piss pumeco out of developing pro-render? 'cause if someone did I'm gunna kick that someone's ass!!

Ray, I think from his last post as quoted in part below he's either got a new girlfriend or something or he's buckling down, battoning the hatches and getting his app together. either way it sounds like a good thing. - TJ . . . "...Actually, this is just to say that I won't be logging-on for a while. I'm aware that I have'nt replied to all questions, private messages, and emails. To those unanswered, please don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just getting a little behind..."

Yes, I think he's hard at work with either ProRender or a new girlfriend like TJ said. 8)

I think Elvis has left the building.........

Oh! That makes sense then. "getting a little behind" and got a new girlfriend. It all falls into place. :-)

now there's something I don't need :P a new girlfriend. My current gf is already the best in the world! :D only 20 more days and it's time for the 6 months anniversary! WOOHOO!!

Congratulations Rayraz.............when's the wedding. lol 8D

Message edited on: 09/04/2004 10:32

the wedding.. hmm dunno, depends on when I ask her to marry me :P First I'll finish my study though :)

"...depends on when I ask her to marry me" And whether she says "yes". ;-)

Hmmm...I think that Pumeco is getting a big kick outta playing with our heads.

PJF, I'm pretty sure that once I ask her she will ;)

Tut, tut, Rayraz, your girl would be furious if she thought you were so sure of her. Every girl likes to be a little bit mysterious you know. 8)

She is mysterious too but on other fields ;) Very mysterious even at times. But that's also what makes her so very attractive :)

Good, I'm glad to hear it. 8)

I just try to be the best boyfriend I can be, and so far it's working :D

Hi.

After reading the recent posts here (173 onwards) it's became obvious that an explanation is needed.

Things have happened, projects change, and I'm preparing an emergency notice to put up on www.pumeco.com in the next couple of days. I decided against starting a new thread to explain things, because it would only result in yet another locked thread. lol

I think the notice will clear up a lot of confusion.

Ardiva,
I don't get a kick out of playing with peoples heads...do I?

bikermouse,
Wow, you certainly missed a biggie as far as threads go. Many others will also have missed the thread, because it was removed before I even got a chance to see why. And I'm not too happy about that, god I love this place.

Catlin,
I hear you've been ill - again, nothing serious I hope. I wish you well, and I'm pleased to see you back 'cos I really kinda like it when you get angry with me 8-)

drawbridgep,
Trust a brit to come up with an innuendo like that! God, I wish I was hard at work with a girlfriend or better still, a wife ;-) No such luck though I'm afraid. Ahh well...one of these days huh?

LeeEvans,
Thanks for your support, and thanks for being one of the young who actually have a mature and level-headed outlook. I know you're young, because I've been checking out the members photo album here of everyone who posts in my threads - it's good to put faces to names.

PJF,
C'mon you know me by now. You're welcome to PM me and ask you know. Actually, I intended to PM you, give you a bit of info, and to say I hope you enjoyed your holiday break. However I think I've got a little too much project work than I want to handle at the moment - and I keep forgetting. I've got to slow down and have a break before I flip!

pogmahone,
Elvis? Whoa, that's the first time anyone's ever called me that. I've been called a lot of things before, but they're generally not repeatable where ladies are present. Thank's for all you've done, you know what I mean ;-)

Rayraz,
Good look with the wedding proposal, I wish you all the best, you lucky person! Have a chat with drawbridgep, as I hear he's quite an authority on married bliss these days ;-)

Len.

I wonder what the record is for posts in a thread? I'd say we were getting up there. As for marriage, been 2 months and 6 days and it's going fine, so any questions, bring them on. But simple rules, the husband is always wrong and flowers don't always solve any problem. ;-)

LOL, I'm only 18 dude! I'm not gunna propose yet :P but thanx for wishing me luck anyways ;) I'm first gunna finish my study, maybe after that there will be a proposal :)

"I wonder what the record is for posts in a thread? I'd say we were getting up there." -I dunno, but just two more, and we hit the 200 mark!

Really?

Woohoo! Sorry, you knew I was gonna do that.

Congratulations man! Hahhaahhhaaa ;-)