How on earth do you get bryce 5 to display the sun or moon in the sky? I have been messing with the settings in the sky lab for hours now and I can't get the darn sun or moon to be seen in the sky.. with and with out render in sean set on.. and ugh. I can't get the moon or sun or anything to show, I even pan around and look at other angels looking for it and I can't get it to display at all. oh yeah.. I also have no clouds in the sky, so theres no way it can be hidden.. it's just not there at all.

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WHat I have always wanted to do is have both the sun and moon visible at the same time, as does happen at certain times of the year just about sunset. Cannot work out how to do that without faking it.

You'll have to fake it. The sun and moon are permanently fixed in opposition.

From the Help menu at the top of your Bryce screen: "To position the moon with precision: 1 Display the Sky & Fog palette by clicking the Sky & Fog button at the top of the Bryce window. 2 Click the Day/Night toggle to display the moon icon. 3 Hold down Control+Option/Ctrl+Alt, and double-click the Sun control. 4 Hold down Shift+Control+Option/Ctrl+Alt, and in the working window, click where you want to position the moon." When this works, you'll see an asterisk appear in the sky area where you clicked. I haven't been able to get this to work without performing step 3 twice. Your mileage may vary. This works with the Sun as well, just toggle the day/night switch. And it doesn't seem to matter whether the "link sun to view" is on or off for this to work. John

And for Chohole, from the same source: "The moon is positioned at the same time as the Sun. The two are always at opposite ends of the sky, so wherever the sun is positioned, the moon is directly opposite."

it's not possible to have the sun and moon visible within the same field of view, unless you have eyes in the back of your head or are witnessing an eclipse :) drac

Drac: In the real world: I believe there are times when the moon is near the sun in the sky without actually blocking the light from it (which would be a solar eclipse). If it's all that close, though, you would normally not be able to discern the moon's presence with the naked eye because the relative brightness of the sun would overpower the reflected light from the moon. Let them get farther apart in the sky, though, and you can see the moon during the day. I think this is what you mean, right? But I don't think it's nice of you to stereotype those of us with eyes in the backs of our heads like that. :^)

I have my pc's in a room with one window facing almost due west, and one facing south east. At times I can see the westering sun from the one window and the moon from the other.

yeah, no, i'm just going through a tough time after failing to flame a guy who had a full moon and the sun pixels away from each other in one of his bryce works... shrug drac (tjohn's wise)

I saw the sun and the moon in the sky at the same time during the last full moon while on my morning walk. The sun was rising in the east and the moon was still about 20 degrees above the western horizon. Wanted to take a pic but couldn't get both in the frame.

Lol@tjohn! That must make it very difficult to part your hair.

Seeing both, Sol and Luna up at the same time is a common astronomical occurrence. It depends on the lunar position about its orbit in relation to the Sun or more concisely, your global position in respect to the Earths daily axial spin and the moons orbit. Too close, and the Suns glare blocks out the lunar image. Ive witnessed the half moon in mid-day. On winter days I often see the moon close over the eastern horizon just minutes before the sun rises, which when it does, it blocks out the moon from view. You can also see the moon closely trailing the Sun as it declines over the western horizon and when its glare dies down leaving a beautifully brilliant thin sliver of a crescent. The full moon occurs when the moon is directly opposite the sun in its orbit. Around September 23 near the autumnal equinox there is a period when the moon rises in an almost full phase just as the sun sets giving off luminance, which helped farmers in their work and was called the harvest moon. A few days later when the moon becomes full and the same luminance phenomenon occurs, its called the hunters moon.

Quest: This doesn't happen on Mars........

Mars has two moons, Deimos and Phobos, Ill have to remember to lookup at mid-day on Mars and see if they can be seen through the glare of the Sun. Perhaps in that case we would need three eyes to view them at once. ;)

I'm never going back to Mars. Those guys have NO sense of humor. Typical Martian joke: Q. What color is a craybel egg? A. Three. And they snort when they laugh.

(laughs at Quest!) Aye, but Deimos and Phobos are both tiny, and they aren't even round. But they're still really cool moons...

I could have sworn there was an easter egg for setting both the sun and moon within a single view. Hmmmm.

IndigoSplash, the only Easter egg Ive seen on this has already been mentioned by Tjohn where you hold down Ctrl/Alt while double clicking the Sun control trackball in the Sun/fog menu. Then in the wiremode screen, click where you want the Sun/Moon to appear. This must be done after at least one render of the scene for it to work and I think this is where Tjohn is having his problem in getting it to work the first time. If indeed there is an Easter egg optioning for both Sun and Moon to appear on the screen at the same time, please let us know about it. Yes ShadowDragonLord, this is true, Deimos and Phobos are tiny and not round like our moon or most any other moon in our solar system for that matter. The belief is that they in fact are not true moons formed by gravitational accretion but gravitationally captured asteroids from the asteroid belt orbiting between Mars and Jupiter. Interestingly they orbit around Mars in opposite directions.

They're not moons.....they're satellites. And I can't see them through Sol's glare! Bloody ingnorant Terrans

Damn Martians are now building satellites! Isnt it enough that they go underground when they know were watching? !/

Hey! I like 'underground' It's warmer, OK? And we didn't build them. They're natural-like-thingys. *Laughs at 'I Love Lucy' on the terran-TV.

"If indeed there is an Easter egg optioning for both Sun and Moon to appear on the screen at the same time, please let us know about it." I'm guessing that if no one knows about it, it doesn't exist. I thought I'd seen one on one of those easter egg lists on the web. But more than likely, I misunderstood or read it too fast and got it ingrained into my memory inaccurately. Sorry 'bout that. :)

I hear what you're saying Indigo. Would be nice if in Bryce 6 all these "Easter eggs" could be put in the same basket and offered to the Bryce community as GUI applicable features with full control.

Amen to that, Quest!! How about a new menu entry (eg. "Advanced Controls") which contained all the keystroke shortcuts and otherwise inaccessible facilities? (Plus one more entry: "Keep menu Bar visible"!) :-)) Cheers, Diolma

Ditto. I never understood the idea of hiding some of the coolest and/or most useful features of a program into little easter eggs that mostly remain hidden to the majority of users. ;)

I think many of these things were in the process of being added to the program, (like alt-clicking on the tree in Create menu to get the .bto list) and would have been added in a more obvious way in version 6 had development not been halted by Corel.