Attached Link: Posette 3

How is she when it comes to wearing V3 clothes?

Ah, she doesn't wear them well. She's not made to. She's designed as a Posette look-alike and her Joint centers match up with Posette's.

I'm not sure if I understand what this is about... or why this is... I have posette obviously in P5...plus whatever clothes are there, which none of them are all that good considering what is available now... I have V3 and tons of stuff that I've purchased.. what is the purpose of this model????

There is still lots of good Posette clothes out there, and lots of free stuff. Not everyone can afford to keep up with V3 and her wardrobe. So posette 3 is a high resolution posette that can use V3's morphs and textures.

Dave, There's more stuff out there for Posette than V2 or V3. Some of it is excellent. Poserworld alone has many things for Posette that just aren't available for either V2 or V3. A search through Freestuff on Posette gives tons of clothing available. A lot of people also liked Posette for her proportions. This gives Posette fanciers more options. And one thing to remember, any new base mesh for the Unimesh figures makes all the morphs you apply look different than just applying it to the standard figure. Posette 3 looks very different from V3, with the same morphs applied. Every new Aeon figure is designed with this in mind: To get even more out of the Unimesh. Posette 3's .cr2 takes more morphs than just about any other figure too.

thanks for the xplain :)

so basically this is the unimesh reshaped to be like Posette .. but with unimesh morphs and maps and wears only Posettes clothes.Iinteresting. So you get the benefit of all the unimesh maps and all the existing content for that mesh .. as well as the ability to use all the posette stuff thats been moldering away in the closet for a bit. I do like um ..what would his name be ponders not Dork ... PosetteMale? ergh .. lacks a certain somehting. Dude! call him Dude lol oh wait .. we have the MayaDude already ..hrm .. well I guess it will do. Just ah .. make the m3 bits fit him please? lol And now I'm suddenly very glad I repacked all the poser 4 figure clothing on PW to make it easier to use. Nicely timed :) Lyrra

Just as an aside..if this figure takes off, and folks start producing clothes for her (and textures)..would they be backwards compatible with the original Posette ?

freyfaxi, Sort of... Remember that V3 and Posette are grouped differently. V3 has more body parts. Something made specificly for Posette 3 should confrom to Posette the original, but you'd have those extra body parts to deal with in posing. I'll pass the question onto Dodger and have him check.

just purchased posette 3. she's quite wonderful.

Jim, Which textures does Pos3 take ? .... this isn't clear from the posting so far. thanks, Andrew

Posette 3 takes V3 type textures.

Built off of the DAZ Unimesh, this product's comes in the form of an RTE difference file which requires DAZ's Victoria 3 figure to already be owned by the user.

I'm confused. If this figure is an RTE encoded file that requires Vic3 to be owned, then the figure is built off Victoria 3, who is built from the DAZ Unimesh. If that is the case, it's built from Victoria 3, not built from the DAZ Unimesh. How can you suggest it was built from the DAZ Unimesh, unless you have a copy of the DAZ Unimesh and built it from that?

Victoria 3 is the Daz Unimesh. All the M3/V3 figures are built from a single Unimesh object. M3, V3, David, The Freak, SP3, She-Freak are all Unimesh.

I understand that, but saying the figure was built off the unimesh seems a bit confusing, since the figure is built from Victoria 3 not the Unimesh. It's my understanding the Unimesh is the base figure that Victoria 3 and all the Daz figures were constructed from. The way I understand it is Victoria 3 is Victoria 3 not the unimesh. So isn't your figure really a only "morph" of Victoria 3 with new joint parameters, not a whole new figure created from the unimesh?

No. It has a different object file from V3. And Unimesh is a design term, not an object that is available. Since Posette 3 is derived from V3, it's derived from the Unimesh. In fact, since V3 was the first Unimesh figure, it may well be the original unimesh. Daz does the same thing. David is derived from SP3, but it's a Unimesh figure. By your logic, all the Daz figures are only morphs. In a way, you're right. If you import any of the Daz figure .obj files into Poser, and apply any other .obj file from any M3/V3 figure as a morph target, it will morph into that figure. So V3, M3, David, SP3, The Freak, and all the Aeon figures are just morphs of the original Unimesh (which may well be V3). However, what is sold is a new geometry based on the original mesh, making them new figures in Poser. They all have to have new JP's to work correctly (since the mesh is changed enough that the old ones won't work correctly). Different mesh and a new .cr2 file means a new figure/character. Now, the mesh has teh same vertices and the groupings stay the same, that means that morphs designed for one figure can be applied to another. Since the shape of the new mesh is different, the morphs give different effects. All this really comes down to semantics. Unimesh is a generic term for anything that uses an object file that has the same verticies and facet structure as the Daz characters. Hope this helps.

Jim, I'm curious to know what the plain vanilla Pos3's face looks like, before you have applied any morphs, i.e. does she look more like the original Posette ? If not, where does the Posette likeness come in ? ... most of the morphs in the pics above seem to portray her with the default V3 "Lauren Hutton-like" appearance. regards, Andrew

Attached Link: Posette 3 Face

Thanks Jim, Wow she looks very different ... and real pretty ! ... definitely on my short list when I get paid :) And yes she does look a bit like Jodie Foster, and there's also a fleeting resemblance to the original Posette. She definitely doesn't look anything like Lauren Hutton (which is what I reckon the original V3 does...) regards, Andrew

Nice, but I have more than enough figures already. Coldrake

Thanks pdxjims. I understand what you're saying even though I do disagree that it's a matter of semantics.

"Unimesh is a design term, not an object that is available."

Saying it's built from the "Unimesh" doesn't sound like a design term it sounds like you're talking about an object, and the way your "ad copy" reads, it makes it sound as if the AEON figures are created from something completely different than the characters they were actually created from. I think that makes it confusing and unintentionally misleading to people that don't understand the history of the Gen 3 figures.

If "unimesh" is a design term, why say "the Unimesh" and not say built with unimesh design so that morphs are interchangable?

"However, what is sold is a new geometry based on the original mesh, making them new figures in Poser."

Seems more like it is a derivative of the original figure it was created from, Vicky, Mike, David, Steph, which really makes it a morphed figure of that character and the unimesh design allows it to use the morphs from that figure and any other other compatable figure. It just seems to me saying the AEON figures were built from the "Unimesh" is like saying you served with John Kerry when you only happened to be in the military at the same time he was.

Please understand this is not an attack on anyone's credibility or honor, this is merely an attempt to analyze what the circumstances actually are.

Grey_Tower, Posette 3 will take morphs from any V3 grouped character. V3, SP3, David, or the She-Freak. She also takes the International Beauty morphs from Daz. All the M3/V3 figures are the Unimesh. They all have the same vertex structure, Are UC mapped the same (except for a few minor details), and will accept any morph from any other Unimesh figure that is grouped the same. We're arguing semantics that really doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the product. I like Posette 3. She's got more capablilities for accepting morphs than most other products. She comes with a different .obj file than any other character, with an expanded .cr2. Thank you. pdxjims

Well, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm not arguing...I'm evaluating your claims to determine if they are plausible. It may not have to do with the quality of the product but it has everything to do with what the product actually is. You apparently are going to reject any view but your own in favor of the positive impact an implied association with DAZ, and saying the figures are made from the DAZ Unimesh, will have on your sales. You can't have it both ways, either the Unimesh is an actual object or it is a design term. If it's a design term a figure can't be "built" from a design term. So far you haven't show me that your figures are any different in concept than Blackhearted's incredible morphed figures, or any other figures made from Gen 3 figures, which, would also be built from the Unimesh according to your description and should be able to take the same morphs!

OH come on, GT, lol. You know how figures are put together, and this is a semantics issue. It's also an issue of persnickitiness -- but it's not an issue of evaluation. The unimesh is a design term for any figures which are created from the basic underlying mesh in use. Any figure which is created from this mesh -- as the Aeon figures are -- is sculpted in the same way. Sales copy is supposed to drive sales. As for an implied association, ther actually is one -- Dodger has sold at DAZ and did in fact work to design two figures for them using the same process -- the She Freak is still available from them. You seem to have an issue with the manner in which this product is being advertised. Nothing says that anyone else cannot advertise these features. The Aeon figures are designed to be extremely compatible with the existing morphs for the figures, but have to be grouped and rigged in a particular fashion in order to take certain types of morphs. The reason they specify V3 in this is because of the figures grouping, which matches V3's -- so, the V3 morphs will work. You can decode the file based on any of the Unimesh figures -- not merely V3 -- but you may get some errors since the groupings are different. Your comments create a sense of doubt in the mind of the reader, and are argumentative in context and phrasing. In other words, yer heckling.

Grey_Tower, Blackhearted's beautiful products are morph and texture sets for V3 and SP3. Posette 3 is a new .cr2 with new JPs, new .obj file, and includes no textures. Posette 3's .obj file is not the same as V3's, although you must have the V3 product to unencode the files. I bet Blackhearted's textures will look great on Posette 3, though. Again, we're talking semantics. It doesn't make any difference as to the quality or worth of the product. I'm sorry you have problems with the word "the" in front of the word "Unimesh" in the ad copy. If you feel this strongly about it, then don't buy the product. One thing though. Any Unimesh product will take any morph from any other Unimesh product, so long as they are grouped the same. It just requires that you transfer the channels from one figure to the other before injecting. You can also save any Unimesh figure with all morphs applied, and then transfer those morphs to any other Unimesh figure via MorphManager, so long as the obj files are grouped the same. I have a version of David that I've copied all the V3 head morphs and male morphs to via MorphManager. With a little programming, a person can even convert morphs between differently grouped Unimesh figures. I've converted Capsce's excellent Brom set to the V3 grouping, and it works like charm.

My response to GT's concerns : Do you have any of the other Aeon people in your Poser collection ? If Pos3 is anything as versatile as her Aeon siblings (sounds like she is even more versatile), then she is amazing value for money. In my opinion, the Aeon figures have broken new ground in terms of Poser technology. There have been other amazing new products of recent times, such as 3Dream's EJ and Wyrmmaster's Dynamic Deformers, but I think that the Aeon tribe leads the pack. I can't wait for payday at the end of this week.

AFAIK V3 is created FROM the Unimesh but is not THE Unimesh.

What I'm trying trying to figure out is if these are entirely new mesh or modifications of the existing mesh. I have plenty of "characters" made from existing DAZ figures (mesh). For example, THE GIRL is a new figure because she has her own mesh created by the modeler. Blackhearted's creations are characters created by morphing Vicky's existing mesh. Just because a product comes with a "new" cr2, and "new" jp's doesn't make it a "new" figure, if the obj is merely a reorganization of V3's points. It's not a new figure...it's a character...a morph! Is this really a new "figure" built with a custom mesh, or is it just a "character" built from V3 basic mesh.

You keep avoiding addressing my concerns. You say this product was created from the Unimesh, then, after I remind you The Unimesh is the object V3 was made from, you say V3 is the Unimesh, then, you say the unimesh is a design concept, then you say it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with the quality and worth of the AEON figures. It does matter though. It seems like you are unsure of your own claims, as you seem to be unclear about what the Unimesh really is. The claims made about products should be factual, and you as a merchant should be concerned when someone points out one of your claims may not exactly be correct. And saying any of the AEON products were built from THE Unimesh is incorrect because DAZ is the only company that has a copy of THE Unimesh! So since you and Dodger don't have a copy of the Unimesh...they couldn't possibly be created from the Unimesh; so how can you claim they were? This has nothing to do with semantics and it isn't about the placement of the word "the", it has everything to do with your claiming something that does not seem to be the case, and not apparently researching your claim to verify it's veracity prior to making it.

It seems like you're trying to blow me off pdxjims instead of trying to address my concerns. It makes every bit of difference to me, and I'm sure it will make a difference to others as well. People by products, in part, based on the description.

As Puntomaus says V3 was created FROM the Unimesh but V3 is NOT THE Unimesh...which means saying these things were built from THE Unimesh is not true which is misleading, which is doing your customers a disservice regardless of how great the product is.

People expect merchant's they buy from to give them the straight scoop not mislead them by using "poetic license" with the facts. This needs to be cleared up.

Grey_Tower. I can't explain it any more clearly. I'm not trying to blow you off, or I wouldn't have attempted to answer your four other posts. I'm sorry you don't understand me, but that seems to be your problem since everyone else I've spoken to does understand. We believe our product claims are correct. Our purchasers have had no complaint with them. The various brokerages involved don't have any problems with them. If you do have a complaint, then you should contact PoserPro's about it, since they are brokering the items. I don't think you'll get very far there though. Again, if you have a problem with the verbage in the advertising, then don't buy the product. One final note: I post these product notices as a favor to Dodger. I make no money on their sales, although I do get to beta test what I consider to be top quality products.

I am of the same opinion as Grey_Tower, and started to go through the same discussion with _Audry a while back, but didn't carry it as far as Grey_Tower has. Dodger's work looks really good and I plan on buying some, but I also think that his characters are derivatives of DAZ figures, not UniMesh, even with the major reworking of the mesh and JPs. I think that the proof is the need to encode the new work to various DAZ figures.

Even if they are derivatives of DAZ figures, so what ? ... a lot of work has gone into making these new characters, and they are unique. Certainly well worth the money.

Again and one last time: All of the Daz figures are the Unimesh. They all have the same vertices and facet structure. Posette 3 was developed from V3, a Unimesh figure. Posette 3 is not a morph set for V3. She comes with a different object file, and her JP's are much more in line with Posette's, and her .cr2 file is capable of taking just about any V3 type of morph available. Yes, the Aeon figures are derivatives of the Daz figures. The Daz figures are derivatives of the Daz figures. David was designed from SP3. I believe the Freak was derived from M3. They're all Unimesh though. Dodger encodes the files to protect the Daz license, and to follow Daz requirements for distribution of a Unimesh product. Finally, after all of this, there has been no complaint to the broker on this. Dodger has recieved nothing from PoserPro's or his customers about this. Both I and Dodger believe the ad copy is factual, please do not imply we believe otherwise.

Again, some of the DAZ Gen3 figures are built from the Unimesh, they are NOT the Unimesh.

She comes with a different object file

Another ambiguous, misleading statement. If she comes with a different object file there should be no need to encode it. Is the object file a custom object file, or is does it use V3's vertices? Having a "different" object file does not disqualify something from being morphed character if that object file is derived from an original figure. I can morph V3 and create a new object file...it's still a morphed V3 and not an original figure.

Yes, the Aeon figures are derivatives of the Daz figures. The Daz figures are derivatives of the Daz figures. David was designed from SP3. I believe the Freak was derived from M3. They're all Unimesh though.

Some of the DAZ figures are derivatives of the DAZ Unimesh, some are derivatives of other Gen3 figures. David is a derivative of SP3, not a figure built from the Unimesh. David is NOT the Unimesh. The Freak is a derivative of M3, not a figure built from the Unimesh. The Freak, is NOT the Unimesh. Because the figures they were derived from were built from the same base Unimesh, they can share morphs...that still does not make them built from the Unimesh.

The Unimesh is the base figure some DAZ Gen3 products are derived from. Those DAZ Gen3 products are not the Unimesh, they are derived from the Unimesh. Dodgers figures are derived from the DAZ Gen3 products, that does not make them built from the Unimesh. In order to build them from the Unimesh, he would have to own the base Unimesh and he does not. Saying the product is built from the Unimesh is misleading...you can't say that you built something from something you do not own.

As an example, lets say you eat luch today at 1:00 and I eat lunch today at 1:00. If I were to say I had lunch with pdxjims today, it sounds like we had lunch together. That statement would be inaccurate and would mislead anyone that heard me make that statement that was not aware that we lived in 2 different cities.

It is irrelevant whether or not the Broker has received a complaint about it. It is irrelevant whether or not PoserPros is willing to let it stand, if they choose to be ignorant of or ignore the fact that the information is incorrect that's their problem, that still does not make the claim accurate. You are posting here at Renderosity. The accuracy of the claim you have posted here is being questioned and you have not provided any evidence to show that your claim is valid. Sticking to the same line does not make it accurate. You can insist there is no gravity all you want...that doesn't make it true. You have flip-flopped and danced around the issue. You have an obligation to provide accurate information to prospective buyers and your claim that the AEON figures are built from the Unimesh is not accurate. If you can show that Dodger owns a copy of the base Unimesh that V3 was created from, that would prove your information is accurate...

You can buy a cake mix and bake a cake, but if you said you made the cake from scratch you would be incorrect. You have the same situation here. You may believe the ad copy is correct...but you have been shown that it is not. That you refuse to accept it and correct it is a dis-service to your customers.

Even if they are derivatives of DAZ figures, so what ? ... a lot of work has gone into making these new characters, and they are unique. Certainly well worth the money. The fact that they are derivatives is not the issue. The fact that they claim they are built from the Unimesh when they are not, is the issue.

Odd. DAZ seems to consider David, the Freak, and the She Freak to all be Unimesh characters. Interesting you've chosen to ignore that fact. Since, if Daz considers them to be such, and, essentially, the Aeon figures are created in the same fashion (and they are) then they, too, would be Unimesh figures, your argument is still about as substantial in reality as dirigible filling. pdxjim's point is that your issue needs to be addressed with the creator directly -- something it appears you are unwilling to do, instead opting to attack the messenger, who has vainly tried to support this. Since you chose to ignore my previous post, I'll assume that readers of this discussion need to be aware that this is a personal vendetta of some sort on your part, and that you have ulterior motives in some form or another.

I agree totally with ynsaen. Grey_Tower, if this is a genuine issue with you, then surely the best course of action is to take it up privately with the originator of Posette 3. As for me, I think the Aeon characters are absolutely revolutionary in Poserdom. Go the Dodger !

The only person who seems to have a problem with the verbage is someone who doesn't own an Aeon figure. Daz doesn't have a problem. Renderostiy doesn't have a problem. PoserPro's doesn't have a problem. Hundreds of satisfied customers don't have a problem. There is no diservice to Aeon customers. Certainly anyone who's read this thread understands our viewpoint, and the differing one. I won't be posting any more responses to this. If someone does have a problem, please contact Dodger at PoserPro's, or the management at PoserPro's. My apologies to everyone who's read this silly-*ssed thread.

"The fact that they are derivatives is not the issue. The fact that they claim they are built from the Unimesh when they are not, is the issue." Agree with you Grey_Tower, that is exactly the point. Not sure why it's so hard to understand for some.

Because they are, Puntomaus. The unimesh is a single object file. Any figure made using that single object file is made from the unimesh -- no matter what the form is. Earlier, GT said something to the effect of "if this is the case, then anyone can claim that" -- and he's right. They can. Any figure which is made -- difference file or none -- from a unimesh figure is made using, ultimately, the unimesh. It's all the same object file, just, simply, morphed and grouped differently for different purposes and resold in a different package. In short, GT is basically ignoring the principle of reductive logic in thinking about the origin of the unimesh itself. And yes, that means that wonderful character based on sp3 I want so bad over at faeriewylde is also a unimesh figure. That Dodger (not pdxjims) has chosen to advertise it as such is not misleading. The figure is built from the same mesh that is used to make the other gen3 figures -- which is the unimesh. Perhaps the origin mesh is less subdivided, but that's not really an issue, either -- it's still the same mesh, the principal parts moved around as needed to make the requisite form.

If Dodger didn't build the Aeon figures from the Unimesh then he wouldn't be required to encode them.

The Aeon figures are Unimesh figures the same as all the DAZ generation 3 figures are. DAZ is basically selling us the same mesh over and over again, just re-worked into a different shape, sometimes with a new grouping, new JPs and new morphs.

Dodger has done the same thing - he has reworked the Unimesh into a new shape, added the channels needed to support all the generation 3 morphs (unlike DAZ), and re-worked the JPs so that they can wear generation 2 clothing. If you want to get some more use out of all the clothing you've purchased for Michael 1/2 and Victoria 1/2 without having to use Clothes Converter, or the Tailor, or any of the other clothing conversion workarounds then the Aeon figures are something for you to look into. Otherwise just stick to the Gen 3 figures. Edited to add this: Oops except for Posette 3 - her mesh was reworked and her JPs were tweaked to accept Posette's clothing - giving Poser users another way to use all the Posette clothing they've accumulated over the years. I hope he does the same for the Dork - I've got a lot of Dork clothing sitting around doing nothing! lol

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I will remind you to all stick to the topic, not to call names, and PLEASE stop bringing in highly charged political rhetoric about Presidential candidates to what should be a discussion of the merits of a particular mesh. If you want to argue politics, go the The Den. If I see one more mudpie fresh from anybody's political campaign, I'll pass out warnings and lock this thread. That goes for all of you and all of the candidates for office! My understanding is that Jim Burton had to encode one of his figures even though she was totally separate and built totally from scratch... but because she could take Vicky's clothing, DAZ insisted upon such encoding. Nonderivative, but it made more sales for DAZ. If Dodger has taken the steps necessary to satisfy DAZ and the lawyers why should we care WHY he has taken those steps? Since he worked for DAZ and had his hands on the unimesh he undoubtedly is far more familiar with their legal requirements than we are. If copyright is taken care of, and quality is taken care of, and people know which figure works with which texture or fits what clothes then why quibble over a word? The fate of kingdoms or religious prophecy aren't at stake here. Meanwhile, this is a gen3 figure and I won't be able to use her... but I approve of anything which brings back the lovely Posette body type and makes that extensive wardrobe useful again. A lot of creators will be please to see their clothing and props given new life. Perhaps somebody will even do art after a tour of the backs of the closets. Carolly Renderosity Moderator

hehehe I was thinking about that incident Carolly when I ws posting but I didn't want to open up an old can of worms lol - that was Jim Burton's High-Fashion Vicki right? He built a new mesh and modelled her and set up her JPs so that she could accept V2's clothing and he had to sell her at DAZ or encode it. And she was not derived from V2's mesh at all.

Since you chose to ignore my previous post, I'll assume that readers of this discussion need to be aware that this is a personal vendetta of some sort on your part, and that you have ulterior motives in some form or another.

You shouldn't assume, and I'm sure readers can form their own conclusions. I chose to ignore your post mainly because of your persnickity reply rather than be baited in to a useless argument accusing me of vendettas or ulterior motives. You don't know me, nor do you have any facts to back up such an assertion. My issue is with pdxjims because he is the one that is posting this misinformation.

DAZ seems to consider David, the Freak, and the She Freak to all be Unimesh characters. Interesting you've chosen to ignore that fact.

The issue is not whether they are unimesh characters, the issue is that there is a claim that they are built from the Unimesh. I am not attacking the messenger, I have not made any attacks at all. I am having a discussion trying to get him to understand that he is overlooking the issue. I can only assume your last post was another attempt to bait me. You have no basis to accuse me of having a vendetta. This is not about pdxjims or Dodger, this is about their not understanding what the unimesh is and how inappropriate their claims are as a result of that lack of understanding. I'll thank you to stick to the subject.

Grey_Tower, if this is a genuine issue with you, then surely the best course of action is to take it up privately with the originator of Posette 3.

I am not a member of PoserPros, nor do I wish to be. If Dodger wishes to dispute this he is more than welcome to come here and do so.

The only person who seems to have a problem with the verbage is someone who doesn't own an Aeon figure. Daz doesn't have a problem. Renderostiy doesn't have a problem. PoserPro's doesn't have a problem.

Actually, wyrwulf and Puntomaus also have a problem with the verbiage. Whether or not I own an AEON character is irrellevant. It has nothing to do with how the character was constructed. That DAZ chooses to ignore the inaccurate statement, does not make it right. Renderosity doesn't have a problem because the products are not brokered here. They don't care about and won't investigate claims made in the Product Showcase about products brokered on other sites and that is per ClintH. PoserPros doesn't have a problem since they are making money off the product, if a little hype increases sales it appears they're willing to overlook it even if it's incorrect.

*My apologies to everyone who's read this silly-ssed thread.

It's only silly-*ssed to you because you want to skirt the issue, you do have a clothing set for Seth after all.

The unimesh is a single object file. Any figure made using that single object file is made from the unimesh -- no matter what the form is.

The AEON figures were not made using that single object file...they were made from other figures created from that single object file. They may be considered "unimesh" characters by their interchangability with the Gen3 figures, but that still does not qualify them to claim the AEON characters were built from the Unimesh. You cannot build something from something you do not have.

That Dodger (not pdxjims) has chosen to advertise it as such is not misleading. The figure is built from the same mesh that is used to make the other gen3 figures -- which is the unimesh.

I'm sure Dodger did not intend to mislead anyone. The figure is not build from the same mesh used to make the other Gen3 figures, it is built from the Gen3 figures themselves. You cannot build something from a mesh you do not have. To say you did, is misleading.

If Dodger didn't build the Aeon figures from the Unimesh then he wouldn't be required to encode them

That's true but Dodger didn't build the AEON characters from the Unimesh, he built them from existing DAZ figures, which is why they need to be encoded in this particular case.

Dodger has done the same thing - he has reworked the Unimesh into a new shape, added the channels needed to support all the generation 3 morphs (unlike DAZ), and re-worked the JPs so that they can wear generation 2 clothing.

Dodger reworded existing Gen3 figures into a new shape, etc. He can't rework the Unimesh, he does not have the Unimesh, he has Gen3 figures created from the Unimesh.

stop bringing in highly charged political rhetoric about Presidential candidates to what should be a discussion of the merits of a particular mesh

There was no highly charged politcal rhetoric about Presidential candidates there was an example given to show an equivalent misleading statement.

My understanding is that Jim Burton had to encode one of his figures even though she was totally separate and built totally from scratch... but because she could take Vicky's clothing, DAZ insisted upon such encoding.

Your understanding is wrong. Jim had to encode one of his figures primarily because he formed his figure around the DAZ wireframe, that is why DAZ required him to encode the figure. It had nothing little to do with the figure taking Vicky's clothing.

If copyright is taken care of, and quality is taken care of, and people know which figure works with which texture or fits what clothes then why quibble over a word?

Because statements made about a product should be correct. People should not make claims about a product that is not correct. You cannot build a figure from the Unimesh unless you own the Unimesh. Saying your product is built from something you don't own is false. I don't think the intent was to lie or mislead...I think neither of them understand the concept of the Unimesh so it's easier to shrug it off.

wyrwulf understands this, Puntomaus understands this...so obviously there must be some logic to what I am saying. I ask that you all stop assuming this is an attack on Dodger, his products, and pdxjims and consider the facts. I think his products are unique and innovative. No one is asking him to stop making the product...it's being suggested he needs to correct a piece of misinformation which will not detract from the quality of the product or it's sales. It's also being suggested that people that want to post information about products in the Product Showcase should make sure the information is correct before the post it.

From the DAZ FAQ about What is the Unimesh it reads that the Unimesh is the master mesh. So, I doubt anyone except DAZ owns this master mesh. All the Gen3 figures were build from this master mesh and not from one another (except David who was actually planned as a morph pack add on for StephPetite similar to the V3 male morph pack rather than a stand alone dolly)..

This Posette figure is build from the V3 mesh and not made using the master mesh. Heck people, that is all we are saying. That is not product bashing, merchant bashing or whatever this is simply asking to give the thing the right name. This Posette was made using V3 as the base and morphed from there to this new shape - is that so hard to understand? She was made using a Unimesh but not the unimesh.

And just to make it clear: I do not question the quality of this product or any other product made by Dodger.

Read the FAQ again. It clearly states that a base mesh 'the Unimesh' is 'revised' (pushed and pulled into a new shape) and 'blend zones reworked' (JPs tweaked). "The Unimesh is now used as the base for all bipedal Millennium Figures that DAZ creates." In English that means that V3 is the Unimesh, M3 is the Unimesh, Freak is the Unimesh, etc. etc. They are all the Unimesh - it was just pushed and pulled into a new shape for each figure, JPs were tweaked and in some cases the grouping was changed. "The time required to build an entirely unique mesh can be effectively circumvented." None of them are unique meshes - they are all the Unimesh re-shaped into a different figure. DAZ says it themselves. If I reshape any of the gen 3 figures I am indeed re-working the Unimesh because they are all the Unimesh just pushed and pulled into a new shape. If I sell it through DAZ I don't have to encode the object. If I sell anyplace else though I have to encode the object to one of the gen 3 geometries. Having to encode it to a particular figure's geometry does not change the fact that I have re-worked the Unimesh. So it doesn't matter if I say 'derived from V3' or if I say 'built from the Unimesh' because I'm saying the same thing since V3 is the Unimesh pushed and pulled into a new shape. Just as She-Freak is the Unimesh pushed and pulled into a new shape. Just as Puck is the Unimesh pushed and pulled into a new shape. Just as the Aeon figures are the Unimesh pushed and pulled into a new shape. They are ALL the Unimesh pushed and pulled into a new shape, nothing more or less.